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Posted: 5/2/2012 11:06:11 PM
Supply and demand only works if there are multiple players in competition on the supply side. If only a few players are making the distribution decisions they can make their own market and will get whatever they can.
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SGAmmo
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Posted: 5/5/2012 3:35:36 PM
Originally Posted By toledo:
Supply and demand only works if there are multiple players in competition on the supply side. If only a few players are making the distribution decisions they can make their own market and will get whatever they can. the good thing with 5.45 surplus is that it seems that the few importers who bring it in all cannot stand each other and will probably never be able to get together and fix prices on us |
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Bryan_Aim
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Posted: 5/5/2012 4:05:03 PM
Originally Posted By SGAmmo:
Originally Posted By toledo:
Supply and demand only works if there are multiple players in competition on the supply side. If only a few players are making the distribution decisions they can make their own market and will get whatever they can. the good thing with 5.45 surplus is that it seems that the few importers who bring it in all cannot stand each other and will probably never be able to get together and fix prices on us true! |
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Posted: 5/7/2012 8:33:20 PM
Originally Posted By akaf47: Originally Posted By StephenNW: Originally Posted By pjomalley: Ask Aim Bryan at AIM says the problem isn't availability; there's a very large amount of surplus 5.45 in Eastern Europe for sale. He says the problem is that margins are so low on it, it simply isn't very profitable to import. Which means that - absent an import ban - there will probably be surplus 5.45 for some time to come. It just won't be as cheap as it is today. I doubt the margins are super low. Keep in mind that there are ABSOLUTELY no manufacturing costs with this ammo. All that surplus was manufactured 30+ years ago by the now defunct Soviet Union. It's just sitting around in storage, the only costs involved are transportation and import costs and profit. They probably make as much profit, or more per round on the surplus than they do with new commercial imports from the same region. I think talk of low margins might be a nice excuse for making larger profits, but maybe I'm just sceptical? In the end, you can't blame somebody for trying to make a buck, can you? You should see how much the gov charges for import customs duties. |
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Posted: 5/7/2012 10:01:37 PM
Originally Posted By JasonblkZ06:
Originally Posted By akaf47:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By pjomalley:
Ask Aim Bryan at AIM says the problem isn't availability; there's a very large amount of surplus 5.45 in Eastern Europe for sale. He says the problem is that margins are so low on it, it simply isn't very profitable to import. Which means that - absent an import ban - there will probably be surplus 5.45 for some time to come. It just won't be as cheap as it is today. I doubt the margins are super low. Keep in mind that there are ABSOLUTELY no manufacturing costs with this ammo. All that surplus was manufactured 30+ years ago by the now defunct Soviet Union. It's just sitting around in storage, the only costs involved are transportation and import costs and profit. They probably make as much profit, or more per round on the surplus than they do with new commercial imports from the same region. I think talk of low margins might be a nice excuse for making larger profits, but maybe I'm just sceptical? In the end, you can't blame somebody for trying to make a buck, can you? You should see how much the gov charges for import customs duties. Ya, but the gov still charges the same import customs duties if the ammo is new manufacture from the Ukraine or other country as they do if it's milsurp from the Ukraine or other country....that's what I was getting at. |
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Posted: 5/9/2012 7:52:42 AM
Bryan at AIM says the problem isn't availability; there's a very large amount of surplus 5.45 in Eastern Europe for sale. He says the problem is that margins are so low on it, it simply isn't very profitable to import. Which means that - absent an import ban - there will probably be surplus 5.45 for some time to come. It just won't be as cheap as it is today.
Ah man, I hate the modern american business model... this is like HP saying, "we're the #1 computer company in the world. we're going to stop making computers because we don't make enough money on them." Really? I mean, really??? Did you make it to work, keep the lights on, make some happy customers? Had some left over dough at the end of the day?? Problem is??? Im sure there will be ammo available in some form or other. Look at 7.62x39... I think that says it all. Still, as great as AIM is, this makes me want to write them, and everyone else I get ammo from, and say you better lower your prices, economy be damned, or your not going to have me as a customer... in bad times, cheaper businesses are the ones that make it. Period, real world economy 101. You can keep raising your prices, it only makes this kat buy less... |
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Bryan_Aim
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Posted: 5/9/2012 10:56:17 AM
We aren't raising prices to raise them, we raise them when costs go up. ammo is a cut throat business, I don't want to lose any sales to anybody, I don't want my competition to be cheaper. But it costs $ to run a business, if I pay $119 a can for 5.45, I need to cover a credit card fee, and make some $. $135 is $16 a can profit, knock off $3 for the credit card fee, a buck and something for the box, and that's not great margin. I can just not carry it, but if there isn't competition in the market everybody else will raise their price. I think too many consumers think that we make $40 a can or something
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:16:35 PM
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
We aren't raising prices to raise them, we raise them when costs go up. ammo is a cut throat business, I don't want to lose any sales to anybody, I don't want my competition to be cheaper. But it costs $ to run a business, if I pay $119 a can for 5.45, I need to cover a credit card fee, and make some $. $135 is $16 a can profit, knock off $3 for the credit card fee, a buck and something for the box, and that's not great margin. I can just not carry it, but if there isn't competition in the market everybody else will raise their price. I think too many consumers think that we make $40 a can or something Brian, I appreciate and admire your honesty! I can't believe your profit margins are so low for a can of 5.45. As always, you will always have a loyal customer. Thanks for keeping me broke.  |
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:50:40 PM
Once you get down to what is pure profit on a per can basis, you have to factor in that one bogus credit card number on a single can purchase will take 13 more cans sold just to break even.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 2:34:08 PM
Originally Posted By Cycline3:
Bryan at AIM says the problem isn't availability; there's a very large amount of surplus 5.45 in Eastern Europe for sale. He says the problem is that margins are so low on it, it simply isn't very profitable to import. Which means that - absent an import ban - there will probably be surplus 5.45 for some time to come. It just won't be as cheap as it is today.
Ah man, I hate the modern american business model... this is like HP saying, "we're the #1 computer company in the world. we're going to stop making computers because we don't make enough money on them." Really? I mean, really??? Did you make it to work, keep the lights on, make some happy customers? Had some left over dough at the end of the day?? Problem is??? Im sure there will be ammo available in some form or other. Look at 7.62x39... I think that says it all. Still, as great as AIM is, this makes me want to write them, and everyone else I get ammo from, and say you better lower your prices, economy be damned, or your not going to have me as a customer... in bad times, cheaper businesses are the ones that make it. Period, real world economy 101. You can keep raising your prices, it only makes this kat buy less... There is a whole lot of herp and derp in this post. You really should take some business courses at your local college. Alot of these ammo companies arent raising prices because they want to make more money, usually when businesses raise prices its because their cost has gone up. Believe it or not most large businesses hate raising prices as much as the customer buying their product, because people like you throw huge fits and dont understand why they must raise them. When the value of the dollar declines imports get more expensive thats just a fact of life. To me dealing with heavy cans of ammo that take up lots of space for such small margins is not something i would deal with, thats why companies like AIM i have a huge appreciation for and they get most of my business. |
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Bryan_Aim
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Posted: 5/10/2012 5:18:02 PM
[Last Edit: 5/10/2012 5:26:47 PM by Bryan_Aim]
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Posted: 5/10/2012 6:52:38 PM
Seeing the mark up above to this post reminds me of the computer industry. Cut throat. Not much profit and way too much competition. Most companies we have to give some slack to. Imagine if there were only a few... say one or two. Then you can start bitching about high prices...
AIM, any other ammo company, keep it up, many here love yeah. |
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StephenNW
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Posted: 5/10/2012 7:58:38 PM
Originally Posted By brunnels:
Originally Posted By Cycline3:
Bryan at AIM says the problem isn't availability; there's a very large amount of surplus 5.45 in Eastern Europe for sale. He says the problem is that margins are so low on it, it simply isn't very profitable to import. Which means that - absent an import ban - there will probably be surplus 5.45 for some time to come. It just won't be as cheap as it is today.
Ah man, I hate the modern american business model... this is like HP saying, "we're the #1 computer company in the world. we're going to stop making computers because we don't make enough money on them." Really? I mean, really??? Did you make it to work, keep the lights on, make some happy customers? Had some left over dough at the end of the day?? Problem is??? Im sure there will be ammo available in some form or other. Look at 7.62x39... I think that says it all. Still, as great as AIM is, this makes me want to write them, and everyone else I get ammo from, and say you better lower your prices, economy be damned, or your not going to have me as a customer... in bad times, cheaper businesses are the ones that make it. Period, real world economy 101. You can keep raising your prices, it only makes this kat buy less... There is a whole lot of herp and derp in this post. You really should take some business courses at your local college. Alot of these ammo companies arent raising prices because they want to make more money, usually when businesses raise prices its because their cost has gone up. Believe it or not most large businesses hate raising prices as much as the customer buying their product, because people like you throw huge fits and dont understand why they must raise them. When the value of the dollar declines imports get more expensive thats just a fact of life. To me dealing with heavy cans of ammo that take up lots of space for such small margins is not something i would deal with, thats why companies like AIM i have a huge appreciation for and they get most of my business. +1. You took the words right out of my mouth. Although, when it comes to almost any discussion of pricing and/or economics on Arfcom, the herp and derp is always strong. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 11:29:29 AM
But at 1k cans a week, its not a bad product to carry. |
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Bryan_Aim
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Posted: 5/13/2012 11:37:37 AM
it doesnt sell that fast, a thousand cans a month is more like it
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Posted: 5/19/2012 11:06:20 PM
[Last Edit: 5/19/2012 11:06:30 PM by ARCollector157]
Everyone is out of it.
not selling fast? |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 7:24:16 AM
Originally Posted By ARCollector157:
Everyone is out of it.
not selling fast? When is Rguns going to get some more. When they get, you'll see most of the other vendors get it, too. |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 4:48:39 AM
http://www.surplusammo.com/5-45x39mm-7n6-bullet-russian-1080-rounds-in-sealed-spam-can/ In stock $155 per can before shipping cost.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 5:43:22 AM
[Last Edit: 5/25/2012 6:14:53 AM by Sierra5]
Balls out, I like it and that's why I like using you guys. Thanks for all you do.  |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 5:47:55 AM
http://www.surplusammo.com/products/5.45x39mm-7N6-Bullet-Russian-%252d––2160-Rounds-in-2-sealed-%22Spam-Cans%22.html ––Crate.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:34:44 AM
Originally Posted By ageguy:
http://www.surplusammo.com/5-45x39mm-7n6-bullet-russian-1080-rounds-in-sealed-spam-can/ In stock $155 per can before shipping cost. Thanks for the heads up, but they can keep it for that price. |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 11:42:06 PM
SGAmmo.com has 1080 rd spam cans for $140 before shipping; 285 in stock. purevl2, you are 100% right about being patient.
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Posted: 5/26/2012 12:54:58 PM
[Last Edit: 5/26/2012 12:57:54 PM by purevl2]
Originally Posted By ageguy:
SGAmmo.com has 1080 rd spam cans for $140 before shipping; 285 in stock. purevl2, you are 100% right about being patient. I'll buy from Bryan at AIM and SGammo.com for higher that what it was months ago.... ONLY because they are honest resalers who are just relaying price increases to them. ****** Fuck, SGammo just put a limit on the spam cans! Hats off to you for preventing asswipes from buying and reselling them at a profit! They're not imposing limits to prevent the little guy from buying! SAA can piss off |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 4:59:09 PM
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
it doesnt sell that fast, a thousand cans a month is more like it i buy mine only from AIM becasue I like them...a few $ either way is not worth my changing. Aim is a great seller and they have been fast shippers and overall great to deal with. It's a shame that people today are obsessed with getting everything cheap...it's the walmart economy theory in action. I personbally prefer to buy local, but when i can't, i support venders such as AIm that are good to deal with . Thank you Aim for being such a good place to deal with. ...now if you ever get them damned mosin snipers! |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 5:21:18 PM
Originally Posted By intercooler:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
it doesnt sell that fast, a thousand cans a month is more like it i buy mine only from AIM becasue I like them...a few $ either way is not worth my changing. Aim is a great seller and they have been fast shippers and overall great to deal with. It's a shame that people today are obsessed with getting everything cheap...it's the walmart economy theory in action. I personbally prefer to buy local, but when i can't, i support venders such as AIm that are good to deal with . Thank you Aim for being such a good place to deal with. ...now if you ever get them damned mosin snipers! You missed out, they got 30 or so in and it was in the email. I think they all sold out in 20 minutes or so. I ordered two so I can sell you my extra for $1k if you like. |
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