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Bale2011
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Posted: 2/17/2011 10:06:25 PM
Being completely new to AKs, I'm hoping someone will kindly save me a lot of research time by telling me (and others) what I should be buying to feed my soon to arrive SGL31. This would be ammo that I would store away in 500rd - 1000rd increments for "the end times" or some other disaster of your choice. If it were an AR I would say early 55gr Win Q3131A from Israel, or Lake City. But as for AKs, I know nothing. I still plan to do my research but would like to start ordering asap. Are there reliable non-corrosive rounds to be considered? Thanks.
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Posted: 2/18/2011 5:10:22 AM
My fav is Silver bear. Hot load and burn cleaner than any other Russian ammo, very low price and the best part is it is very consistant on grouping - no flyers. I also like Golden Tiger in 7.62 and I am looing forwad to trying it in 5.45.

For surplus, you cannot go wrong with Russian SPAM can ammo - just remember it is corrosive and you will need to rinse your AK when done firing to remove the salts - especially if you live in a humid area.

However, what I recommend is getting a few and trying each out.

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Posted: 2/18/2011 8:34:53 AM
That gets me headed in a direction. Thanks!
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Posted: 2/18/2011 10:10:37 AM
I personally like the "Military Classic" from Wolf in 70 grain, it shoots best out of my SGL31 and Bulgarian SLR105.
Next would be Brown Bear or Silver Bear 60 grain FMJ, followed by a distant third for Wolf 60 grain FMJ or HP.

I also have shot the new Hornady 60 grain V-Max and it is about like the 70 grain in accuracy, really no better or worse, but it is a real "expanding" load and made in USA. Buy one 50 round box and try it as well.

The main reason I do not shoot corrosive ammo is I live in an extremely humid area and I do not clean my AK's every time I shoot, usually every 2nd or third time so I am lazy on that.
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Posted: 2/18/2011 12:19:18 PM
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Wolf MC is what I lay back...
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Posted: 2/19/2011 6:30:37 PM
You can never, ever go wrong with real Mil-surp 5.45x39mm ammo made in the former Soviet Union. ANY of the original Russian loads with the original corrosive-primers would be my first choice. The original, Ukrainian-made Factory 270 5.45 would be my first choice but hey, they all work. And will continue to do so for the next 100ys or so, long after you and I are are gone.........

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Posted: 2/21/2011 8:51:07 PM
I notice all of the Russian milsurp is 53 gr. Why do Wolf and Silver Bear step it up to 60 and 70 gr? Do they not offer a 53 gr, and why?
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Posted: 2/22/2011 10:51:55 AM
Supposedly the 70 grain were "tracer" bullets that are filled with lead, so they are 70 grain instead of 52, they don't have the "air pocket"
The 60 grain has the air pocket but I think the alloy in the lead is different on the military one, and lighter. The bullets are all pretty similar in length
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Posted: 2/22/2011 11:30:30 AM

Originally Posted By Bale2011:
I notice all of the Russian milsurp is 53 gr. Why do Wolf and Silver Bear step it up to 60 and 70 gr? Do they not offer a 53 gr, and why?

Good question - I have no idea. Be aware that these heavier bullets may not stabilize in all barrels. There were some issues with Century builds from what I remember.

My choice would be Wolf 60gr for non-corrosive, or milsurp 7N6.
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Posted: 2/22/2011 11:31:11 AM
Silver Bear 60 grain FMJ shoots consistently well in all my 5.45mm rifles. Most also like the Wolf FMJ 60 gr. FMJ, some hate Barnaul HP & SP rounds. Of course YMMV in different guns.
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Posted: 2/26/2011 2:38:25 PM
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Well it sounds like 60gr WMC will do. I had been interested in Silver Bear but found many comments at various sites complaining of zinc oxidation. That wouldn't concern me if I were going to shoot it relatively soon, but for long term storage (10+ years) I just don't want to risk it.
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Posted: 2/26/2011 2:51:32 PM
Ya got that right on the money . 7N6 and clean the rifle after use.
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By Bale2011:
I notice all of the Russian milsurp is 53 gr. Why do Wolf and Silver Bear step it up to 60 and 70 gr? Do they not offer a 53 gr, and why?

Good question - I have no idea. Be aware that these heavier bullets may not stabilize in all barrels. There were some issues with Century builds from what I remember.

My choice would be Wolf 60gr for non-corrosive, or milsurp 7N6.


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Posted: 3/26/2011 8:38:30 AM
Originally Posted By Bale2011:
I notice all of the Russian milsurp is 53 gr. Why do Wolf and Silver Bear step it up to 60 and 70 gr? Do they not offer a 53 gr, and why?


Steel core in Russian ammo is lighter than full lead core used in WOLF
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Posted: 3/29/2011 9:54:03 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By Bale2011:
I notice all of the Russian milsurp is 53 gr. Why do Wolf and Silver Bear step it up to 60 and 70 gr? Do they not offer a 53 gr, and why?

Good question - I have no idea. Be aware that these heavier bullets may not stabilize in all barrels. There were some issues with Century builds from what I remember.

My choice would be Wolf 60gr for non-corrosive, or milsurp 7N6.


Zhukov:

Am I correct in my understanding that at least some of those "problem" century builds were due to them mistakenly using 5.56 barrels for a time?
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Posted: 3/29/2011 11:15:18 PM

Originally Posted By Megistopoda:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By Bale2011:
I notice all of the Russian milsurp is 53 gr. Why do Wolf and Silver Bear step it up to 60 and 70 gr? Do they not offer a 53 gr, and why?

Good question - I have no idea. Be aware that these heavier bullets may not stabilize in all barrels. There were some issues with Century builds from what I remember.

My choice would be Wolf 60gr for non-corrosive, or milsurp 7N6.


Zhukov:

Am I correct in my understanding that at least some of those "problem" century builds were due to them mistakenly using 5.56 barrels for a time?

Never really paid enough attention to the problem, sorry - maybe someone else will know...
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Posted: 3/31/2011 12:09:27 AM
When CIA was selling the 68gr, non-corrosive, Romanian HotShot stuff for $100/800rd can, they had that bizarre disclaimer. I ignored it and bought that shit up. It ran fine in my S&W 5.45 upper. I was so disappointed when my last order of 15 cans was cancelled because they ran out.
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Posted: 3/31/2011 9:37:37 AM
I will go with the milsurp 7N6. I have a small stack of the tins of this, I think mine Polish. There ave very small odds of me ever getting so far down my stash that I need to rely on my SAR-2 and Tantial but if I did I am quite comfortable this stuff would get the job done!

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Posted: 3/31/2011 2:51:24 PM

Good question - I have no idea. Be aware that these heavier bullets may not stabilize in all barrels. There were some issues with Century builds from what I remember.


Bullet stabilization is not related to weight, but is related to length. In most rounds adding length increases weight, however since the 53gr are hollow, a heavy bullet that isn't could well end up the same length or less.
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Posted: 3/31/2011 11:05:33 PM
You can't go wrong with the Russian surplus ammo. That is all I buy now after experimenting with some of the others.
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Posted: 5/20/2011 3:12:13 PM
Originally Posted By bsf:
When CIA was selling the 68gr, non-corrosive, Romanian HotShot stuff for $100/800rd can, they had that bizarre disclaimer. I ignored it and bought that shit up. It ran fine in my S&W 5.45 upper. I was so disappointed when my last order of 15 cans was cancelled because they ran out.


I was only able to get four cans before they ran out. I wish I had more now.

As to the Century barrel / ammo problem, I was under the impression that it was partly CAI installing the wrong barrels early on then getting it right but in the later problems it was the weights of the 5.45mm bullets.
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Posted: 5/25/2011 9:36:23 PM
My Bulgarian 74 & Polish Tantal loves the milsurp 7N6 ammo.
I have over 4000 rounds through each gun at present count.
Accurate and cheap is the way to go, at 10 cents per round you can do a lot of plinking.
My S&W M&P likes the Silver Bear ammo, I try not using the corrosive ammo in the gun because it is to hard to get it clean all the way through.
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Posted: 7/26/2011 1:29:51 PM
Great, picked up two boxes of Silver Bear to feed my newly acquired SLR105. Gonna pick up some more when i get the chance. I'll see if i can pick up some Golden Tiger and some "Spam" ammo as well for accuracy testing.
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Posted: 7/26/2011 5:26:23 PM
The military surplus stuff is the best. Bulgarian, Russian, Polish––any of it that has come in over the past 5 years with the 7N6 projectile is GTG. There have been rumors, on and off, about East German 5.45 out there, but I haven't ever seen any for sale. I'd wager that the East German stuff would be superb.
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Posted: 7/27/2011 10:26:38 PM
The East Germans made this caliber, but only for a few years. They went through a huge demilitarization program after re-unification and scrapped millions of rounds of ammuniiton of all types. During the time this was happening, unlike the 7.62x39mm, there was no demand for 5.45, so no doubt it was all scrapped. I have and have seen small amounts of this ammunition and it looks to be of very good quality. It would be nice to have a few million rounds turn up, but I imagine it would command a premium due to it's origin. Quite frankly, the Russian and Bulgarian stuff does just fine for me...

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Posted: 8/4/2011 8:55:51 PM
Years ago there was some E. German 5.45x39 in brass cases that was sold in Shotgun News. They also sold Suhl 5.45x39 bolt action rifles that were supposedly used by the VOPOS (E. German border guards) on the Berlin Wall.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?159371-DDR-Sniper-Border-Guard

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Posted: 8/4/2011 10:51:07 PM
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As someone else said, you need to try different brands in your rifle to see what it likes. I've tried Silver Bear, Monarch (Academy), Barnual, Hornady, Wolf 60 &70gr, as well as surplus. I have a Polish and Bulgarian 74, both of them shoot the best with Wolf 60gr. Neither of mine shoot that well with surplus, but its good to buy some to put up for long term.
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