I've always heard "run your AR wet". So that's exactly what I did with mine. I used Frog Lube, because HURR TECHMOLOGICALLY ADVANCED BIOBASED ULTRALURBICANT. Well, my AR sat in the basement for a few months until just last weekend. The Frog Lube had congealed on the BCG to about the consistency of bacon grease. I figured this was normal (frog lube 'melts' as it's heated by the weapon, they say).

I put 5 thirty round mags through it rapidly. On the 4th mag, I got a couple FTFs. The BCG wasn't recoiling backward enough to fully catch the round. Instead, the bolt was barely catching the front of the extractor groove of the round. Apparently, there was still enough friction to strip the round from the mag, but not enough to drive it up the feed ramp all the way. So, the bolt ended up running OVER the round. The problem became worse on the 5th mag (same thing was happening, just more often. At that point, I set the weapon aside, not wanting to dent any more cases.

At first, I thought the problem was that my buffer was too heavy (I use a Spike's Tactical ST-T2). Once home, I pulled the BCG and ho lee shiiiiiiiiiiii-! It was like my BCG had been coated with fucking maple syrup. I dropped it in the ass-end of the upper and it slid in like a slow motion gay porn clip.

So, moral of the story: Don't slather your entire BCG with a thick coating of Frog Lube. You'll get short-stroking issues.

I'm pretty sure you don't need to put so much FL on there.  I have been trying FL for about a year, just leaving a very thin coat on the BCG.  No probs yet, short stroke.
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Frog Lube is not magic. Funny this is not the first thread I have read where it caused jams. Going green never saved the world or an AR.

Because I didn't enjoy watching it happen

It didn't cause the jam. I did - by over-lubing. Please don't take my cautionary tale as a diss against Frog Lube. I'm going to keep using it, but I won't go full ruhturd with it like I did last time.

My purpose for posting was to let people know that excess amounts of Frog Lube will turn into a syrupy mess, and slow down your action. My guess is that this is a property unique to Frog Lube, because of its tendency to congeal. Maybe you can pour gallons of other lubes into your AR, but not FL. Don't do it.

I laughed

Can you even watch porn in UT?

I have yet to have any issues with Froglube and over lubing. I run my AR as wet as a dirty cheap hooker with FL and use almost exclusively Tulammo because its cheap as hell to shoot even though its dirty as hell, mag dumps or run-n-gun, etc. I have yet to have any issues at all with running FL in my AR or any other firearm I own

The beauty of Frog Lube is that it works great - when applied properly.



I've heard it can be problematic in cold weather, but I wouldn't know anything about that.

I also run my BCG slathered with Frog lube and I heats up and works like a champ.  Maybe another factor here?

I think you have to confess to your bishop if you do.

I've heard the same thing about cold weather, so I've steered clear. I shoot in the middle of winter in MI sometimes and don't want problems.

heck, found some primer/powder combos that didn't like the cold either.

I've seen FL cause otherwise good rifles to not run.

Not sure why anyone continues to waste their time with this snakeoil bullshit frog lube.  "Works great when you apply it properly".  Its a fucking lube.  I shouldn't have to bake my parts to allow it to seep into the pores so it can provide a super duper lube property.

EWL, motor oil, FP10, whatever.  None of those have ever cause a rifle to not work because it was slightly over applied, and I never had to bake it on either.

Temperature sensitive too?  I've run KAC rifles with EWG in 10 degree weather and they ran great.  Didn't have to bake it on either.  Didn't have to worry about over applying it too.  Go figure.

You only have to bake the parts for the first two applications.  And yes if you have too much FL it wll slow down an AR as it gets dirty.  I use only the lightest coating.

guns is not an area where " more is always better" unless its getting more guns/ammo lol
the ONLY places you should oil/lube is where METAL MEETS METAL AND THERE IS FRICTION.

For god sake's use anything but that crap, that people really apply this to there guns and expect them to work with this goop is amazing.

 

You can.



 

it astonishes me that people actually get angry when talking about frog lube. Its pretty much fool proof when you are able to follow a few simple directions.

you do realize that your opinions are just that right? or are you another one of these "if i do it that way, its because its the right way" guys? implying everything you do is the "right" way, further implying you are perfect.

So is CLP with no directions.



 

Naw, frog lube is pretty snake oily.  There's better stuff that works in a larger temperature range with known properties and ingredients they don't try to hide because the ingrediants are specifically for providing a barrier layer between reciprocating parts.



 

Bring your frogged ar up here in the winter then give me your opinion.

I'd be more then happy to run froglube if they provided an actual temperature range it is designed to function in.  Seeing as how I live and work in the Chicago area, I don't want my AR having issues when I pull it out in 0 degree temps.  Slip2000 EWL for me until documentation (scientific, not garbage youtube videos)

If I ever get this "syrupy mess" people speak of then I will take everything apart, drop in the ultrasonic and ditch the frog lube.  Until then I will continue to use it liberally on my supressed, extra dirty well lubricated rifle.  If there is a downside to cold weather temps I will probably never know as I live in the desert.

Ironic timing seeing this thread. Just picked up some FL for the first time today and soaked my MWS with it. Guess we will see how it goes.

After realizing I more than likely overlubed the shit out of both guns, instead of cleaning them I went to the range to see if I had any malfunctions. 150rds thru a Spikes ST-15 and 40 thru the MWS, no issues. Small sample size, I know. It was 80ish degrees too, not sure how it would have went at 0 degrees. For what its worth.

I'll stick with my fireclean.

DIY_guy did an interesting comparison of a couple dozen products. Frog Lube was at the top of his results for almost every test. One of his key observations was that, after applying Frog Lube, the more he wiped it off and buffed the metal, the better the lubricity.

GTFO with your science, testing and objectivity.

This is an opinion thread.

Amazing... just like molybdenum.



 

Froglube is the only lube I've ever used on my AR's bcg's. When I put my first AR together, froglube was all the rage so that's what I tried.  Still on the same small bottle.

Never had any issues with it.  Never had an issue in the cold either.  I don't apply the stuff until it starts to drip though.  Once the rifle heats up, the lube turns to a liquid state.  Only takes a few rounds.

Once I use up this bottle of froglube chances are I will probably just use whatever I get my hands on.

OP,

Did you overlube with the paste?  That stuff does seem to congeal if the excess isn't wiped off.  The liquid seems to not have this problem in my experience.  I use the paste for initial application and for cleaning, wipe off well, then run "wet" with the liquid.  No problems yet but I don't live in a cold environment.

I overlube with paste, it congeals when the gun isn't hot. After a handful of rounds it all turns liquid anyways, run it all day its liquid, then when it cools off it congeals.

I use it and have no problems with it, but from talking to various folks, I would not store my gun for a long period of time with FL.  It seems that as long as the gun is run regularly there is no problem, but I have read some bad things about guns being cleaned and lubed with FL and then allowed to sit for extended periods of time.  I have run my 1911 in temps as low as 10 degrees with no issues, but I do shoot and clean it regularly.  FL isn't snake oil.  Like almost any other product some will like it and be willing to take the additional steps to apply it and some won't.  If FL doesn't work for you, it ain't the end of the world.  Assess your shooting conditions and guns and use one of the other good lubes out there.

I've used FL paste for over a year (partly because I got a fuck ton of the sample tubes for free) in hot (90's) and cold (teens - 20's) without any issues.

To much CLP wont cause a jam.  Just saying....

All I know is that I don't come in here all that often, but every time I do, it seems like somebody is having some weird ass problem with that stuff.

It has been my experience that with Frog Lube, a little bit goes a long way.

The last time I was getting ready to go to the range I sat by BCG on top of my BBQ girl top on a hot day out in the sun for about 15 minutes. Once nice and hot I put a nice thin layer of the Frog Lube paste  on the BCG and left it out in the sun for another 10min.

Once I get to the range, I put a few drops of the liquid in the spots where I know the BCG comes in contact with the inside of the upper.

I have had good success with this method.

I ran the paste exclusively and have used in on my rifles for about 2-3 years now. I have never trusted it for thorough cleaning of things like the barrel and such so I use mpro7 for copper and kg12 for copper when needed. I also only use slide glide on my pistols so I can't comment on how any of these products perform on the more exposed workings of a handgun.

FL smells so damn good that lubing a clean rifle is a pleasant experience. I like the fact that after hundreds of rounds my rifle is still wet. It's no wonderlube, but I find it works well for rifles and is pleasant to work with. Not that it matters where I live but I had seen a few extensive tests in regards to rust prevention and froglube does seem to place near or at the top in all the tests I've seen.

Being a fan of the new and best I have also recently tried out both Rand clp and fireclean. I do not have as much experience with them in comparison to FL but in have noticed some pluses and minuses to both.

Rand- Rifle feels its smoothest with this product. Noticable so in fact. A little goes a very Long way with this stuff. It doesn't burn off and seems to do a great job at lowering the friction level. Not a good cleaner and tho I don't use fl for cleaning, fl does seem to outperform rand clp in this regard. Rand doesn't smell good. Not bad, just not good....like vegetable oil....which I think is the base if I remember right.

Fireclean- I just got some of this real recently and have only ran my rifle with it once. First thing I can say is its stupid overpriced. I have only ran it in my rifle once and I don't think I have given it enough of a chance to really judge it yet. It does seem to clean things very well though. My NiB bolt came out with 70% of its darkened carbon stains gone when broken down for cleaning. It did however also come out almost dry on the inside on the carrier. Not sure what was up there but I'm gonna give it more time before I decide. Fireclean has zero smell.

(Yeah I know, who cares what your solvents and lubes smell like?) I live in an apartment and clean my weapons in my living room so it keeps my lady happy and let's be honest, stink stinks.

I know for a fact I never applied frog lube properly, yet I still haven't had any issues with it. Light coat is all I need. It gets baked in when I shoot.

From lube is the monster cables of the lube industry.
It would be interesting to see how a rifle holds up using nothing but FL over 15-16,000 rounds of a hard training cycle.

I think us desert folk don't have the issues others might

haha! I despise monster cable. Even worse is that company in the magnolia dept that sells the $400 "chocolate" hdmi cable. I gotta laugh everytime I see someone standing there trying to decide if he should dump $500 or cheap out and only spend $200 on a 6ft cable for his new curved samsung.

I used only FL for lube in one rifle for about 2 years and 5000rnds and I do feel it did well enough as a lube. I have never trusted it as a cleaner and don't live in an environment where I have to worry about extreme cold which is where I think FL fails hard. After trying some newer products I believe that Rand CLP is the best product I have used in regards to actual lubricity as well as being able to stay put where applied. I'll be sticking with rand for awhile as my lube o' choice.

I have this issue with liquid frog, not the paste version, I have an hk45c that I took out of the holster to clean ( gun sits around a lot ) and the frog was a slight golden honey look and sticky as hell,  idk why but if you let the gun sit the liquid frog turns  nasty, and it has caused my brothers sig556 to run like hell in cold weather, and nothing shuts the sig 55x systems down, they can run on any thing, so ya you do have to be cautious with that stuff

Lets look at this way people.  I read a ton more then I post and from everything I have read, only froglube has had reported major issues in cold weather.  20 degrees is not cold.  The -30 temps that we had in Chicago last winter was cold.  Would you trust your rifle to fire in that sort of weather 100% of the time if there is even a slight chance of "overuse" of frog lube?  Willing to bet your life on it?  If so, go ahead and use froglube.  For us sane people that dont want to worry about whether or not our BCG have too much congealed crap in them, we will run the normal stuff.

Everything I have read and heard about Frog lube has been to use light coats and never too much....
Although I do want to try Froglube out, I came across 7 gallons of CLP in a recent find so I am sure I will be sticking with it till I run out.  

This man speaks the truth.  Froglube is garbage.  I'll use whatever I have sitting around.  I dislike that crap so much I threw it out.  Wouldn't even give it away.  Over the years I've amassed a collection of firearm specific lubricants.  Froglube is the only one I didn't care for.  All the others can be applied liberally to a firearm with no issue.  Firearm lubricants are really overthought anyhow.

This is why I don't use frog lube. If you overlube with break free CLP, all that happens is clp sprays out the ejection port like a fountain. Which I enjoy for some reason. I tend to run things alot more wet than most. Always have always will

I turn around a bunch of times in each direction before I sit down at the shooting bench, then lick the tips of each round before I load them in to mags. Rifle runs so well I thought about skipping the thorough application of CLP to BCG and other bearing surfaces before leaving home next time. But what the heck, if it works don't mess with it (same for your process BTW, but I had a good laugh.) P.S. Since it's California out here, I am required to pick my nose once for every 10 times I twirl before sitting. P.P.S. You have a "Girl Top"d BBQ?? Me too. Love Those!!