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Posted: 3/25/2012 9:05:27 PM
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Posted: 3/25/2012 9:25:53 PM
[Last Edit: 3/25/2012 9:27:29 PM by Obo2]
a bore snake is a handy tool for a simple lazy cleaning of your barrel. CLP is the most preferred recommended cleaner lubricant and protect-ant for the ar platform. Many swear by slips and copper solvents and you may want to try some of these things out at some point just be careful about mixing cleaners and lubes you can get some bad chemical reactions. I find that a bore brush, chamber brush, plastic jags, patches, clp, paper towels or gun towel, and q tips are all you need to pretty fully detail an ar. They sell pipe cleaners for your gas tube but most recommend against cleaning your gas tube as do I more likely to get stuff stuck in there and it cleans itself when you fire but, pipe cleaners can come in handy for detailing your bcg. There are lots of videos out there do some googling. The ar can run quite dirty but doesn't like to be too dry. Cleaning frequency varies depending on barrel chrome lined requires far less cleaning where as steel takes a little more elbow grease and wears more evenly with regular cleaning especially when new.
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Posted: 3/25/2012 9:43:46 PM
Originally Posted By Obo2:
a bore snake is a handy tool for a simple lazy cleaning of your barrel. CLP is the most preferred recommended cleaner lubricant and protect-ant for the ar platform. Many swear by slips and copper solvents and you may want to try some of these things out at some point just be careful about mixing cleaners and lubes you can get some bad chemical reactions. I find that a bore brush, chamber brush, plastic jags, patches, clp, paper towels or gun towel, and q tips are all you need to pretty fully detail an ar. They sell pipe cleaners for your gas tube but most recommend against cleaning your gas tube as do I more likely to get stuff stuck in there and it cleans itself when you fire but, pipe cleaners can come in handy for detailing your bcg. There are lots of videos out there do some googling. The ar can run quite dirty but doesn't like to be too dry. Cleaning frequency varies depending on barrel chrome lined requires far less cleaning where as steel takes a little more elbow grease and wears more evenly with regular cleaning especially when new. Yeah i've been checking out a bunch of videos and just watching people strip and clean. Do you have a certain place online where you find all of your products at? Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 9:54:54 PM
I don't get too fancy when cleaning an AR. Here's the stuff I use most:
3-piece brass cleaning rod w/ a patch holder tip pistol cleaning rod with a chamber brush patches CLP Q-tips plastic- and bronze-bristle cleaning brushes (like a toothbrush, not a bore brush) couple of old white t-shirts (one for laying the gun on, one for wiping crud off) You don't need to get super-complicated when it comes to cleaning. Learn how to properly clean and lube it using basic stuff, and then decide down the road if more specialized lubes, cleaners, and tools are a good idea for you.There's a lot of stuff out there you can spend money on, but that's money that could be better spent on ammo, mags, and training. |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 9:58:03 PM
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
I don't get too fancy when cleaning an AR. Here's the stuff I use most: 3-piece brass cleaning rod w/ a patch holder tip pistol cleaning rod with a chamber brush patches CLP Q-tips plastic- and bronze-bristle cleaning brushes (like a toothbrush, not a bore brush) couple of old white t-shirts (one for laying the gun on, one for wiping crud off) You don't need to get super-complicated when it comes to cleaning. Learn how to properly clean and lube it using basic stuff, and then decide down the road if more specialized lubes, cleaners, and tools are a good idea for you.There's a lot of stuff out there you can spend money on, but that's money that could be better spent on ammo, mags, and training. Thank you for the reply! Are there any specific brands to look for when buying those products or is it all pretty generic and the expensive stuff is more or less paying for a name? Do you have a website you would recommend for me to find all or most of the products on? Appreciate it! |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:04:05 PM
[Last Edit: 3/25/2012 10:04:48 PM by Obo2]
I just got what was available locally so i didn't have to pay shipping i don't think there's much difference in any of the tools break free makes clp I'm sure something like midwayusa would have more than you could ever want to clean with.
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:19:53 PM
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
I don't get too fancy when cleaning an AR. Here's the stuff I use most: 3-piece brass cleaning rod w/ a patch holder tip pistol cleaning rod with a chamber brush patches CLP Q-tips plastic- and bronze-bristle cleaning brushes (like a toothbrush, not a bore brush) couple of old white t-shirts (one for laying the gun on, one for wiping crud off) You don't need to get super-complicated when it comes to cleaning. Learn how to properly clean and lube it using basic stuff, and then decide down the road if more specialized lubes, cleaners, and tools are a good idea for you.There's a lot of stuff out there you can spend money on, but that's money that could be better spent on ammo, mags, and training. Thank you for the reply! Are there any specific brands to look for when buying those products or is it all pretty generic and the expensive stuff is more or less paying for a name? Do you have a website you would recommend for me to find all or most of the products on? Appreciate it! I got the cleaning rods by way of buying inexpensive Hoppe's rifle and pistol cleaning kits (like those from Wal Mart or Academy). They also sell a 3 pack of cleaning brushes (one stainless, one bronze, one plastic), patches, and they used to sell CLP, too. I picked up a chamber cleaning brush from a local gun store. I prefer Q-Tip brand over off-brand swabs. You can go to Brownells.com or MidwayUSA.com and find all of this stuff if you don't have a WM or Academy nearby. |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:25:03 PM
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
I don't get too fancy when cleaning an AR. Here's the stuff I use most: 3-piece brass cleaning rod w/ a patch holder tip pistol cleaning rod with a chamber brush patches CLP Q-tips plastic- and bronze-bristle cleaning brushes (like a toothbrush, not a bore brush) couple of old white t-shirts (one for laying the gun on, one for wiping crud off) You don't need to get super-complicated when it comes to cleaning. Learn how to properly clean and lube it using basic stuff, and then decide down the road if more specialized lubes, cleaners, and tools are a good idea for you.There's a lot of stuff out there you can spend money on, but that's money that could be better spent on ammo, mags, and training. Thank you for the reply! Are there any specific brands to look for when buying those products or is it all pretty generic and the expensive stuff is more or less paying for a name? Do you have a website you would recommend for me to find all or most of the products on? Appreciate it! I got the cleaning rods by way of buying inexpensive Hoppe's rifle and pistol cleaning kits (like those from Wal Mart or Academy). They also sell a 3 pack of cleaning brushes (one stainless, one bronze, one plastic), patches, and they used to sell CLP, too. I picked up a chamber cleaning brush from a local gun store. I prefer Q-Tip brand over off-brand swabs. You can go to Brownells.com or MidwayUSA.com and find all of this stuff if you don't have a WM or Academy nearby. Sounds good man! I'll have to go check out what my Walmart has and whatever they don't have I'll check for when I pick up my AR from the store and see if they have the rest of the stuff there. Thanks |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:34:50 PM
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
I don't get too fancy when cleaning an AR. Here's the stuff I use most: 3-piece brass cleaning rod w/ a patch holder tip pistol cleaning rod with a chamber brush patches CLP Q-tips plastic- and bronze-bristle cleaning brushes (like a toothbrush, not a bore brush) couple of old white t-shirts (one for laying the gun on, one for wiping crud off) You don't need to get super-complicated when it comes to cleaning. Learn how to properly clean and lube it using basic stuff, and then decide down the road if more specialized lubes, cleaners, and tools are a good idea for you.There's a lot of stuff out there you can spend money on, but that's money that could be better spent on ammo, mags, and training. Thank you for the reply! Are there any specific brands to look for when buying those products or is it all pretty generic and the expensive stuff is more or less paying for a name? Do you have a website you would recommend for me to find all or most of the products on? Appreciate it! I got the cleaning rods by way of buying inexpensive Hoppe's rifle and pistol cleaning kits (like those from Wal Mart or Academy). They also sell a 3 pack of cleaning brushes (one stainless, one bronze, one plastic), patches, and they used to sell CLP, too. I picked up a chamber cleaning brush from a local gun store. I prefer Q-Tip brand over off-brand swabs. You can go to Brownells.com or MidwayUSA.com and find all of this stuff if you don't have a WM or Academy nearby. Sounds good man! I'll have to go check out what my Walmart has and whatever they don't have I'll check for when I pick up my AR from the store and see if they have the rest of the stuff there. Thanks Whatever else you buy, make sure you get a chamber brush. It will have a bronze brush portion shaped like an empty shell, with a larger steel bristle portion toward the rear. Use it to scrub your chamber, as a dirty chamber can lead to failure to fully go into battery or failure to extract. On a fighting AR, a clean chamber is more important than a clean bore. |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:43:44 PM
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
I don't get too fancy when cleaning an AR. Here's the stuff I use most: 3-piece brass cleaning rod w/ a patch holder tip pistol cleaning rod with a chamber brush patches CLP Q-tips plastic- and bronze-bristle cleaning brushes (like a toothbrush, not a bore brush) couple of old white t-shirts (one for laying the gun on, one for wiping crud off) You don't need to get super-complicated when it comes to cleaning. Learn how to properly clean and lube it using basic stuff, and then decide down the road if more specialized lubes, cleaners, and tools are a good idea for you.There's a lot of stuff out there you can spend money on, but that's money that could be better spent on ammo, mags, and training. Thank you for the reply! Are there any specific brands to look for when buying those products or is it all pretty generic and the expensive stuff is more or less paying for a name? Do you have a website you would recommend for me to find all or most of the products on? Appreciate it! I got the cleaning rods by way of buying inexpensive Hoppe's rifle and pistol cleaning kits (like those from Wal Mart or Academy). They also sell a 3 pack of cleaning brushes (one stainless, one bronze, one plastic), patches, and they used to sell CLP, too. I picked up a chamber cleaning brush from a local gun store. I prefer Q-Tip brand over off-brand swabs. You can go to Brownells.com or MidwayUSA.com and find all of this stuff if you don't have a WM or Academy nearby. Sounds good man! I'll have to go check out what my Walmart has and whatever they don't have I'll check for when I pick up my AR from the store and see if they have the rest of the stuff there. Thanks Whatever else you buy, make sure you get a chamber brush. It will have a bronze brush portion shaped like an empty shell, with a larger steel bristle portion toward the rear. Use it to scrub your chamber, as a dirty chamber can lead to failure to fully go into battery or failure to extract. On a fighting AR, a clean chamber is more important than a clean bore. Okay thank you. I will make sure to get myself a chamber brush. Are they all the same with steel bristles or do I have to make sure to get one with steel bristles on it? |
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Posted: 3/26/2012 4:03:19 AM
[Last Edit: 3/26/2012 4:23:06 PM by Blankwaffe98]
Personally I would not waste the money on the cheap aluminum rod cleaning kits from the large discount stores.Don't like the bore brush quality and the micro fiber patches don't work so well either.
For a good basic starter kit for all around use I recommend everyone have one of the USGI cleaning kits: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22275/Product/AR-15-M16-BUTTSTOCK-CLEANING-KIT Very handy to have on hand for stuck cases as well as covering all the bases in a small kit. For cleaning patches I buy these: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1211/Product/100-COTTON-FLANNEL-BULK-CLEANING-PATCHES This is an outstanding box to keep your gear in: http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00008TRB40 And recommended reading: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM9-1005-319-10.pdf For a gun oil,I'd probably just say start with the old standby Break Free CLP as its available just about everywhere you will find guns locally or online ordering,and it works.I'd recommend the liquid bottles of CLP. Once you get your hooks set on actual needs and preferences your going to develop through use,you can add to your tools and chemicals. ETA I buy these surplus AK47 kits for the tobacco tin,nifty little oil bottle,screw driver/punch combination tool and small utility brushes.I toss the steel tiped pull through and the bore brushes in the parts bins.One of the little utility brushes is handy for applying lubes and the other fits the gas key perfectly.Plenty of room left in the tin for your loops,bore brush and chamber brush. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CLN021-6.html |
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Posted: 3/26/2012 6:30:33 AM
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Hey everyone, so i've been reading a bunch of things and it has become a bit overwhelming. I've been reading about all the different types of ammo, and field stripping, and cleaning, and just everything about these awesome guns. But now I want to have everything together when my gun arrives and know what i'm doing. I just don't know what I should do as far as cleaning products go. I start to read and figure I just need some lube and degreaser but then start reading about bore brushes and snakes and all these other tools. So all of you experienced people I have a question for you. If you needed to clean your gun and lube it up, with the products you've used and know what you actually need to clean your gun what would you recommend for me? What is everything needed to fully do the gun from the start to the beginning including the tools and everything. Thank you for all the help everyone, this forum has an awesome community! AR15 Basic Cleaning Kit |
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Posted: 3/26/2012 10:08:17 PM
Originally Posted By Blankwaffe98:
Personally I would not waste the money on the cheap aluminum rod cleaning kits from the large discount stores.Don't like the bore brush quality and the micro fiber patches don't work so well either. For a good basic starter kit for all around use I recommend everyone have one of the USGI cleaning kits: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22275/Product/AR-15-M16-BUTTSTOCK-CLEANING-KIT Very handy to have on hand for stuck cases as well as covering all the bases in a small kit. For cleaning patches I buy these: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1211/Product/100-COTTON-FLANNEL-BULK-CLEANING-PATCHES This is an outstanding box to keep your gear in: http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00008TRB40 And recommended reading: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM9-1005-319-10.pdf For a gun oil,I'd probably just say start with the old standby Break Free CLP as its available just about everywhere you will find guns locally or online ordering,and it works.I'd recommend the liquid bottles of CLP. Once you get your hooks set on actual needs and preferences your going to develop through use,you can add to your tools and chemicals. ETA I buy these surplus AK47 kits for the tobacco tin,nifty little oil bottle,screw driver/punch combination tool and small utility brushes.I toss the steel tiped pull through and the bore brushes in the parts bins.One of the little utility brushes is handy for applying lubes and the other fits the gas key perfectly.Plenty of room left in the tin for your loops,bore brush and chamber brush. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CLN021-6.html I'm glad you mentioned the USGI cleaning kits. I keep one in my range bag, one in my day pack, and one in my rifle case just because of the steel cleaning rod. Like you said, it makes for a good stuck case remover. I'm not a big fan of using the steel rod for everyday cleaning, though. |
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Posted: 3/27/2012 2:15:43 AM
[Last Edit: 3/27/2012 2:35:56 AM by Blankwaffe98]
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
Originally Posted By Blankwaffe98:
Personally I would not waste the money on the cheap aluminum rod cleaning kits from the large discount stores.Don't like the bore brush quality and the micro fiber patches don't work so well either. For a good basic starter kit for all around use I recommend everyone have one of the USGI cleaning kits: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22275/Product/AR-15-M16-BUTTSTOCK-CLEANING-KIT Very handy to have on hand for stuck cases as well as covering all the bases in a small kit. For cleaning patches I buy these: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1211/Product/100-COTTON-FLANNEL-BULK-CLEANING-PATCHES This is an outstanding box to keep your gear in: http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00008TRB40 And recommended reading: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM9-1005-319-10.pdf For a gun oil,I'd probably just say start with the old standby Break Free CLP as its available just about everywhere you will find guns locally or online ordering,and it works.I'd recommend the liquid bottles of CLP. Once you get your hooks set on actual needs and preferences your going to develop through use,you can add to your tools and chemicals. ETA I buy these surplus AK47 kits for the tobacco tin,nifty little oil bottle,screw driver/punch combination tool and small utility brushes.I toss the steel tiped pull through and the bore brushes in the parts bins.One of the little utility brushes is handy for applying lubes and the other fits the gas key perfectly.Plenty of room left in the tin for your loops,bore brush and chamber brush. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CLN021-6.html I'm glad you mentioned the USGI cleaning kits. I keep one in my range bag, one in my day pack, and one in my rifle case just because of the steel cleaning rod. Like you said, it makes for a good stuck case remover. I'm not a big fan of using the steel rod for everyday cleaning, though. Nope,I only use the USGI kit for field needs at the range,hunting etc..But I do consider them a good starter kit on a budget and a must have item which will cover all the bases if needed,to include pistol cleaning. I would get one of the Brownells 8-36 to 8-32 adapters(comes 2 per pack) and keep/use with the kit so you can use commercial thread brushes.. Like QUIB pictured above I also use a coated one piece rod at home on the work bench....specifically Dewey.I also have bore guides,Dewey chamber/lug recess tools etc. which I use at home on the work bench. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/389149/dewey-1-piece-cleaning-rod-22-to-26-caliber-36-nylon-coated-8-x-36-thread http://www.midwayusa.com/product/599467/possum-hollow-bore-guide-19-ar-15-556mm-nato-223-remington http://www.midwayusa.com/product/163348/dewey-rifle-lug-recess-and-chamber-cleaning-kit-ar-15-223-caliber Ive got one of the MTM Range Boxes I mentioned previously packed with all the items I use,which is considerable being that I shoot several different types of rifles to include mil-surp and precision bolt guns,and several different pistol calibers as well.Which by the way the Dewey AR chamber/lug recess cleaning kit rod doubles as a pistol rod. |
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Posted: 3/27/2012 2:46:45 AM
I'm a big believer there have been MANY more fine firearms ruined by over-exuberant cleaning than by shooting and leaving them alone/basic patching and wiping w/ occasional deep MNX!
Honestly, Quib's stuff is great but please do watch the hard brushes, rods, and working too hard to get your weapons "inspection ready" –– Well, that's just my thought; know we weren't necessarily trained that way whether by .mil or Dad. B2 (Oh yeah, the higher quality "foaming bore cleaners" work well until you really foul/copper load a barrel...) |
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Posted: 3/27/2012 3:51:34 AM
[Last Edit: 3/27/2012 4:14:54 AM by Blankwaffe98]
I think that proper maintenance comes with common sense and experience.I know there are folks who have been taught bad practices,but there is more than enough information available online and in vidoes for folks to learn proper techniques and break bad habits,or not.Knowledge is a great thing no matter what you're trying to do correctly.So if you are spending the time running down quality kit to work with,then there should be time spent in the study of how to properly use said kit.
Personally Ive never ruined a barrel or anything else by properly cleaning in the last 30+ years.Im still shooting guns I had in the 70's that have seen no ill effects,and I clean a gun pretty well.So I don't fully understand how some folks ruin the stuff that they do. I don't practice white glove clean and Im not trying to pass some silly institutional inspection thats based on submissive techniques more than anything else.I like to think clean enough,is good enough.Example: http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech%20Notes/Tech%20Note%2029,%20Rifle%20Cleaning,%2099.04.pdf As far as bore brushes,a good quality brass core phosphor bronze bore brush will not harm a bore if properly used,especially hard chromed. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1281/Product/-SPECIAL-LINE-trade-BRASS-CORE-BORE-BRUSH And by properly means used by hand,not spun on a drill motor or otherwise. The sectional USGI rods,if used per the TM -10 with a little care will not harm a bore either.Start ham fisting like you are cleaning a sewer drain blockage and yeah look to have some trouble soon.Good example is the sectional rod QUIB pictured above.Don't know for sure,but I suspect he has used it......don't see much finish wear on the rod sections which is the way it should be and means it ain't washing the bore/leade/muzzle due to proper technique. I rely mainly on the chemistry of the products I use to do the work for me,and do not rely heavily on mechanical action.Mechanical action is used in addition to aid penetration of the cleaners whether it is CLP or solvent,and removal of softened deposits.Its not a primary function in my routine and should not be in anyone elses. For cleaners,I remain very traditional and specific.Solvents.... I use Hoppe's No.9 90% of the time.For copper I prefer Sweets 7.62 or BoreTech Benchrest Blend.And I flush the bores with a patch of isopropyl alcohol after using solvents,dry patch and oil before storage. Never tried any of the foaming cleaners and have no plans to. The majority of my cleaning is done with a CLP product,and there are a few I like.I clean my weapons after every use,and with that my needed cleaning time/effort is limited as a result.CLP cleans before,during and after use giving a head start on the whole process.In otherwords I don't have layers of funk built up in any of my guns.....and never seen a spec of rust. That said,I have seen a bunch of folks firearms bores/parts/guns ruined by lack of,or poor maintenance practices allowing corrosion.Which IMHO is the most common damage seen beyond home gunsmithing by the overzealous types. YMMV |
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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:39:55 PM
Thank you all for you links and posts. So that USGI kit sounds like a good start and some CLP. Are there any good kits out there that would have all good products for a bench kit or is that more of a buying each individual part type thing? Thanks!
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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:51:42 PM
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Thank you all for you links and posts. So that USGI kit sounds like a good start and some CLP. Are there any good kits out there that would have all good products for a bench kit or is that more of a buying each individual part type thing? Thanks! Yeah you'll find buying the individual items tailored to your personal preference will be the best way to build yourself a dedicated bench kit.I listed the stuff I like which I have found to work for me.I mean even a a selection of a jag may have special meaning for you.So do some research and shopping and build your kit as you like it. |
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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:52:43 PM
Originally Posted By Blankwaffe98:
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Thank you all for you links and posts. So that USGI kit sounds like a good start and some CLP. Are there any good kits out there that would have all good products for a bench kit or is that more of a buying each individual part type thing? Thanks! Yeah you'll find buying the individual items tailored to your personal preference will be the best way to build yourself a dedicated bench kit.I listed the stuff I like which I have found to work for me.I mean even a a selection of a jag may have special meaning for you.So do some research and shopping and build your kit as you like it. But i'll be fine using one of those USGI kits for cleaning the gun my first few times around right? Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:53:37 PM
There you go young warrior. USGI cleaning kit, some q-tips, some CLP or even some Rem-oil and and some old t-shirts and you are good to go. There is a reason Sarge said to clean your rifle after every use.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:14:52 PM
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Originally Posted By Blankwaffe98:
Originally Posted By ChevyHD:
Thank you all for you links and posts. So that USGI kit sounds like a good start and some CLP. Are there any good kits out there that would have all good products for a bench kit or is that more of a buying each individual part type thing? Thanks! Yeah you'll find buying the individual items tailored to your personal preference will be the best way to build yourself a dedicated bench kit.I listed the stuff I like which I have found to work for me.I mean even a a selection of a jag may have special meaning for you.So do some research and shopping and build your kit as you like it. But i'll be fine using one of those USGI kits for cleaning the gun my first few times around right? Thanks! Yeap you'll be fine...Ive been using the same USGI kit I have for over 25 years and have seen no issues.I use it on several different caliber weapons.A good example I carry the USGI kit to PM my 7mm Rem. Mag when elk hunting etc.. Download a copy of the TM -10 I linked from the download section here and read how to use it correctly.....no worries even if its the only thing you ever use or own. |
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