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Posted: 9/14/2011 6:23:37 PM
Hey guys I am relatively new to firearms and now that I have my AR i was just wondering how often i need to clean the bore, BCG and internals. I have a can of hoppes 9 solvent, i use this only for the barrel and hoppes 9 lubricant. What other kind of lube/ cleaner solvent should i get? Thank you
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Posted: 9/14/2011 6:31:38 PM
Originally Posted By ACDCdude953:
Hey guys I am relatively new to firearms and now that I have my AR i was just wondering how often i need to clean the bore, BCG and internals. I have a can of hoppes 9 solvent, i use this only for the barrel and hoppes 9 lubricant. What other kind of lube/ cleaner solvent should i get? Thank you


I clean mine within an hour right after shooting. Hoppes#9 is a good solvent. I personally use remoil to lube the weapon.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 6:34:16 PM
You will get a million different answers and the problem is 50% of them are right. A good routine is to clean it whenever you feel like it but if you shoot it 4 or 5 times its time to clean it. It DOES NOT NEED a white glove inspection type cleaning not only is that pointless most of the time it actually damages the weapon.

A good all around cleaner and lubricant is CLP its what the military uses and it has served me well.




I also have heard really good things about slip2000 but haven't tried it due to it being insanely expensive.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 6:37:09 PM
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Oh boy...

Not saying it's right but I....
Remove the upper half from the lower.
Clean out any visible crap from the lower with a tooth brush and maintain lubrication with CLP.
(Occasionally I make sure my buffer tube is in working shape and slightly wet)

Disassemble the upper...
- Pull out bolt and charging handle
-Disassemble bolt carrier group (remove firing pin, bolt, extractor) and clean it with CLP and a tooth brush.
-Clean charging handle in the same manner.
-Reassemble the bolt.

Clean the bore...
-I use a copper and powder foam that sits for 15 minutes doing the hard work chemically.
-Brush the bore 5 (or whatever) times.
-CLP with patches alternating wet and dry until it's satisfactory.

Sometimes I use brake clean to completely strip the metal dry and relube from scratch.

*When you use strong solvents like Brake Clean, wear glasses. It isn't a joking matter to get get "methyl ethyl bad stuff" and Toluene in your eye. I know...

ETA: Get a dewey cleaning rod (almost synonymous with coated 1 piece rod these days) and a bore guide. Anything else is really preference.

ETA2: I fail at reading. My AR is a service rifle so I clean it every time. I've been meaning to see what happens if I do it less.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:09:23 PM
Shooting factory brass ammo I field clean, (quick boresnake through the bore, pull BCG and wipe the crude off, relube) every 300-400 rounds or so. Scrub bore and chamber, more detail cleaning to the BCG and FCG about every 1500 rounds or so. Some of my ARs have 40-45k without problems on this schedule. My oldest has 80+K although most everything has been replaced at some time except the bare receivers. When parts are replaced I do a good cleaning. None of my guns have ever seen brake cleaner or any kind of degreaser.

In dirty, dusty environments that changes to much more frequent cleanings. But in Tennessee hills and hollers the above works just fine for me.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:16:09 PM
Originally Posted By Reservist:
You will get a million different answers and the problem is 50% of them are right. A good routine is to clean it whenever you feel like it but if you shoot it 4 or 5 times its time to clean it. It DOES NOT NEED a white glove inspection type cleaning not only is that pointless most of the time it actually damages the weapon.

A good all around cleaner and lubricant is CLP its what the military uses and it has served me well.


I use CLP for most of my firearm cleaning chores. An old toothbrush and towel with a little CLP can do wonders. I also agree with the idea that excessive cleaning is not good.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:29:34 PM
I usually have an estimated round count interval. Somewhere between 2000-3000 rounds. Other than that, I just make sure I lube it well and go. The only reason I feel it's a necessity is so I can inspect for any worn/damaged components.

If I happen to not shoot a certain rifle/handgun for an extended period of time, I make sure I at least lube it lightly so it won't develop any rust. I live near the beach in Florida so, I have to take the salt atmosphere into consideration.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:39:08 PM
how does too much cleaning damage the weapon?
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:42:02 PM
I clean all my firearms after every trip to the range. It is just a habit I got into as a kid. I use CLP, cleaning rod and old toothbrush to do all the work.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:44:41 PM
I do a complete teardown and clean each time after I shoot my rifles. I will not shoot it again until it has been cleaned. Same goes for my shotguns and my one and only () pistol. I have a very obsessive compulsive nature.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:51:46 PM
Originally Posted By apierce918:
how does too much cleaning damage the weapon?


Excess wear on chamber and bore especially with wire brush.

To the question....

I shoot regularly on our place. I normally have two or three dirty guns at a time....usually a rifle and a couple of pistols. I shoot them off and on for a few weeks. Though the round counts aren't normally exceptionally high, they are shot on multiple occasions as I have time in the evenings or on weekends. When I'm ready to shoot something else, I give them a good clean and rotate them to the back of the safe. Wash, rinse, repeat. I do not have malfunctions due to my firearms being in poor condition / state of repair.

I use clp cleaner and clp lube. I just bought some non-chloro brake cleaner for my CMMG 22lr conversion. Haven't tried it yet, but I may start using it for my regular bcg's as well.

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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:53:41 PM
Originally Posted By apierce918:
how does too much cleaning damage the weapon?


Quite simple, the more you clean, the more you wear down the metals in the gun.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:59:16 PM
i clean mine about every 500 rounds.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 8:11:17 PM
I pull the BGC out and spray it with CLP and wipe it down quick with paper towels then just get what you can with the same towel on the inside every 2 or 3 range trips.Then every 1200 to 1500 rounds I will clean the gun completely.No need to over clean any weapon unless it has a problem being dirty and starts to jam then you will know how many rounds you can fire with out cleaning.

Mostly every gun I own I just wipe out the crud I can reach with a rag or paper towel then just oil it up and its GTG.
Weapons that I use for self defense get cleaned a little more often,but I still don't go crazy with them.Having the gun properly oiled is more important than having it spotless.
I have been doing it this way for 30 years and have had no major problems with my firearms.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 8:29:46 PM
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Posted: 9/14/2011 8:42:43 PM
Originally Posted By Krinkplinker:
Originally Posted By apierce918:
how does too much cleaning damage the weapon?


Quite simple, the more you clean, the more you wear down the metals in the gun.


I would love to see how many time you can run a bore snake through a gun to equate to shooting say 250 rounds through it.

worrying about excessive wear from cleaning too much is anal retention at its finest
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Posted: 9/14/2011 8:53:18 PM
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worrying about excessive wear from cleaning too much is anal retention at its finest

Not really. Many people go wild scraping every last hint of carbon off the bolt, that kind of thing, and actually do end up doing damage.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 8:55:28 PM
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When I come back from the range I blow out the big chunks with GunScrubber... then wet everything back down with CLP

It takes about 3 minutes per gun....

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When I come back from the range I blow out the big chunks with GunScrubber... then wet everything back down with CLP

It takes about 3 minutes per gun....

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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:26:42 PM
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Originally Posted By apierce918:
how does too much cleaning damage the weapon?


Quite simple, the more you clean, the more you wear down the metals in the gun.


Using the right equipment there is no way you are going to wear down a gun by overcleaning it. The stress of shooting is 1,000,000 more stressfull. This is a fallacy.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:37:27 PM
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I just use Q-tips for the star chamber and bolt carrier group and then I run some cleaning swabs down the barrel. I don't scrub any part of it and I don't use any copper bristle brushes. I clean it until it is about 80% clean and then stop and leave just a little bit of oil and carbon in there. It seems like they run the best with just a little bit left in. I also don't use any solvents the only think I use is Rem-oil or CLP.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:43:30 PM
Once a year/every five thousand rounds or so. Or if I upgrade parts or take an armorers course or something.
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I love the filthy 14 its the perfect example of why "White Glove Inspection" cleaning is completely pointless. At the same time it also proved not cleaning your rifle at least a little is the same as running dirty oil in your car; parts will start breaking down. Your car does need an oil change every now and then, but to use the same analogy when you get your oil changed the mechanics don't pull your oil reservoir out of your car and scrub the interior walls of it with harsh chemicals and wire bristle brushes like crack heads.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:59:11 PM
Ever since the Army reprogrammed me I never let the sun rise or set on a dirty gun. My AR cleaning process is pretty simple. Throw the bolt and bolt carrier in my ultrasonic that's filled with mineral spirits. I then clean the bore with MPro-7 and patches. I lube things up with Slip 2000 or Miltech and sometimes Rem Oil - the ultrasonic makes the bolt and carrier bone dry. I like to keep my ARs on the wet side.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 10:12:55 PM
Originally Posted By tatsngats:
Originally Posted By Krinkplinker:
Originally Posted By apierce918:
how does too much cleaning damage the weapon?


Quite simple, the more you clean, the more you wear down the metals in the gun.


Using the right equipment there is no way you are going to wear down a gun by overcleaning it. The stress of shooting is 1,000,000 more stressfull. This is a fallacy.


Do you have a source for this information?
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Posted: 9/14/2011 10:15:16 PM
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worrying about excessive wear from cleaning too much is anal retention at its finest

Not really. Many people go wild scraping every last hint of carbon off the bolt, that kind of thing, and actually do end up doing damage.


scraping with what? a grinding stone? who are these people?
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