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Posted: 7/9/2012 6:07:19 PM
Question for all you AR15 experts. I have a SAOD 6.6 grendal upper and a Rock River CAR lower. Bascially it is a single shot. Bolt won't lock back. I have tried 9mm buffer with same result. Anyone have a solution? Thanks
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Posted: 7/9/2012 6:34:05 PM
Not until we get specifics, such as if the head space has been checked, you have confirm that the gas system is not blocked or leaking badly, the barrel gas port size, if there no wedging binding going on with the gas tube to the key/ hammer to bottom of carrier-top of trigger, and if you are using factory ammo, or reloads- with both check to make sure that there are no signs of over pressure.
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:36:15 PM
Originally Posted By lmt243:
Question for all you AR15 experts. I have a SAOD 6.6 grendal upper and a Rock River CAR lower. Bascially it is a single shot. Bolt won't lock back. I have tried 9mm buffer with same result. Anyone have a solution? Thanks

The 9mm buffer is not recommended for Grendel.
Grendel does like a heavy, conventional buffer however.

My suspicion is the there's something wrong with your gas system.
But, as Dano requested, we need more information about the rifle.
Is this a SAOD-assembled upper ?
What buffer weights besides 9mm have you tried ?
What is your ammo ?

For starters.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 5:49:32 PM
I'ved fired nothing but factory ammo . Alexander arms and Hornady. I'ved installed a troy low profile gas block no leaks. the car buffer and 9mm buffer gave same results, bolt dosent lock back and the occasional stove pipe. its a factory saod upper and a new rock car lower. I have used two brand name magazines Alexander Arms and Stoner.

Thanks for your reply I am befuddled.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 9:02:26 PM
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You sure that the gas block port passage is aligned with the barrel gas port????

When all else fails, try using a rubber tube to blow air through the gas tube from within the upper receiver, and make sure that you get flow through the barrel bore. Also, hold the bolt inward, and compress the gas tube as well to confirm air flow threw the carrier gas section, and even if you have a nasty leak between the key and carrier.


Also, with the carrier alone (just the bolt pulled), dry fit it into the upper receiver to confirm that the gas tube is correctly indexed with the carrier key.
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Posted: 7/11/2012 10:32:37 AM
Originally Posted By Dano523:
You sure that the gas block port passage is aligned with the barrel gas port????

When all else fails, try using a rubber tube to blow air through the gas tube from within the upper receiver, and make sure that you get flow through the barrel bore. Also, hold the bolt inward, and compress the gas tube as well to confirm air flow threw the carrier gas section, and even if you have a nasty leak between the key and carrier.


Also, with the carrier alone (just the bolt pulled), dry fit it into the upper receiver to confirm that the gas tube is correctly indexed with the carrier key.


+10

Gas port alignment is the first thing I would check. Blowing air through the barrel is a great way to check. Blow some known good barrels so you get a feel for it. It's a very noticeable difference. The gas hole in the block is larger than the gas hole in the barrel in most cases, so you have as much as .020-.030 wiggle room.

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Posted: 7/11/2012 12:53:40 PM
the carrier and bolt assembly does not lock back mannually either and other uppers lock back perfectly, and its not a mag issue. I'm guessing it these uppers might only work on rifle length tubes and stocks although all pics and articles i've seen and read show car stocks. this is an ar for my wife who's all of 5-4 so i need the car stock for her. this is a walttor lother bbl so head space is not an issue
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Posted: 7/12/2012 8:41:06 AM
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Originally Posted By lmt243:
the carrier and bolt assembly does not lock back mannually either and other uppers lock back perfectly, and its not a mag issue. I'm guessing it these uppers might only work on rifle length tubes and stocks although all pics and articles i've seen and read show car stocks. this is an ar for my wife who's all of 5-4 so i need the car stock for her. this is a walttor lother bbl so head space is not an issue


OK, forget gas system for now and figure out what you have that is out spec in the receiver extension.
Verify correct tube, spring, buffer.

It's also possible that the bolt catch is out of spec or binding.
This is a visual check, make sure that the bolt is traveling back far enough.

If it's not traveling rearward far enough for the bolt catch to engage the bolt, then there is something wrong as mentioned above with the receiver extension assembly.

Some examples of similar issues are....

Buffer tube too short....airsoft product
Spacer stuck in buffer tube.....previously used for a 9mm rig
Rifle spring in a carbine (telestock) buffer tube system.....coil binding.


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Posted: 7/13/2012 8:51:16 PM
Is there a difference between mil spec and commercial tubes and could that be the problem because other uppers run fine although there not 6.5s.
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Posted: 7/13/2012 8:59:32 PM
Originally Posted By lmt243:
Is there a difference between mil spec and commercial tubes and could that be the problem because other uppers run fine although there not 6.5s.

Internally mil spec and commercial are the same.

Did you do the visual check to see if the bolt is traveling rearward enough to engage the the bolt catch ?