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Posted: 5/3/2012 7:55:06 AM
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Posted: 5/3/2012 8:10:33 AM
i have no idea but call smith they will fix it .
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Posted: 5/3/2012 8:29:16 AM
I really like this rifle, I hate I'm having trouble out of the box. I am ultra new to this platform and found it very enjoyable to fire. I would like to say that out of the box accuracy was beyond exceptional off the bags. Now if I could just get the dang thing to quit this I would be in the ball game
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Posted: 5/3/2012 9:03:38 AM
smith is know for there customer service.
call them and send it in they will take care of it.. hope you get it fixed.  |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 10:24:33 AM
I have never experienced any FTF in my M&P 15 with any ammo i put in it. So what ops144 said... that's not right, send it back. S&W has good customer service, they will take care of you.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 3:18:51 PM
Thanks guys, I called Smith & W and they said no problem and are sending me a shipping label etc. I'll post with there service and what was wrong when I get it back.
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ariesfromhell
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Posted: 5/5/2012 6:08:34 AM
please keep us posted on this. im picking up my M&p next week.
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Posted: 5/5/2012 8:35:36 PM
Shipping label arrived timely and as promised. Will be sending the rifle back this Monday per company instruction. Will keep you posted. I am sure it's just a hiccup of some sort. As a note, keep your box for awhile after you purchase until you test it––Smith's return sheet recommend shipping it back in the box.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 7:03:51 PM
Rifle has been shipped and received by S&W. So far so good.
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Posted: 5/12/2012 6:28:05 AM
What lube were you using
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Posted: 5/22/2012 7:16:54 AM
I have been using Rem oil for years now and was in this case as well. I received the rifle back from S&W and it does appear that they gave me a new clip. No other things appear to have been changed. I clipped up 10 of my reloads which were sized in a lee full length sizer die and just manually cycled the gun. I did this over about 30 rounds and experienced zero issues. So assuming that I couldn't get it to jam or misfeed while manually cycling one would think I'm in the ball game. I want to get 100 or so rounds and go to the range here in a week or so and then re-post my live fire results. Turn around time was about 13 says. That is pretty darn good.
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Posted: 5/22/2012 12:40:03 PM
[Last Edit: 5/22/2012 12:40:29 PM by Obo2]
rem oil is a little dry for an ar... I use it to wipe down the outside of mine.
pick up a can of clp or some slip 2000 ewl or some mobil 1 mixed with automatic tranny fluid. they may have touched up your feed ramps or something as well didn't they give you a service report or something detailing what was done? good luck and good shooting. |
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Dano523
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Posted: 5/22/2012 2:36:37 PM
Originally Posted By Obo2:
rem oil is a little dry for an ar... I use it to wipe down the outside of mine. pick up a can of clp or some slip 2000 ewl or some mobil 1 mixed with automatic tranny fluid. they may have touched up your feed ramps or something as well didn't they give you a service report or something detailing what was done? good luck and good shooting. Rem oil with Teflon is CLP. It just contains less cleaner than say BreakfreeCLP. |
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Posted: 5/22/2012 2:39:52 PM
Originally Posted By Dano523:
Originally Posted By Obo2:
rem oil is a little dry for an ar... I use it to wipe down the outside of mine. pick up a can of clp or some slip 2000 ewl or some mobil 1 mixed with automatic tranny fluid. they may have touched up your feed ramps or something as well didn't they give you a service report or something detailing what was done? good luck and good shooting. Rem oil with Teflon is CLP. It just contains less cleaner than say BreakfreeCLP. all i know is if i put rem oil on my guns and let them sit for a while it looks dry. |
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Posted: 5/22/2012 4:02:58 PM
[Last Edit: 5/22/2012 4:22:26 PM by Direct-Drive]
Originally Posted By ShannonD:
Hello, I am curious if anyone is having issues with failure to feed/chamber in the S&W M&P 15. I purchased this rifle 2 wks ago and have had these issues. I completely cleaned the weapon out of the box and reassembled. The rifle does not always do it, but has done it during live fire my first time out and when I am manually cycling the charging handle. It will do it with factory Remington ammo and my own reloads. There is a lot of brass chips after I cycle a few rounds manually and the round jam far long of where the forward assist will help. The bolt in other words is still half open. Though I can't say it's true all of the time I'd swear it does it more out of the right feed. Oddly steel cases do not exhibit this. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Ammo. Remington .223 is going to be loaded to lower .223 pressures. Your reloads are an unknown. "Steel cases" covers a wide swath, from crap to not too bad. I'll bet whatever this steel cased ammo was, it was loaded to 5.56 pressures. When proofing a new AR, spring for a couple of boxes of full power ammo like Lake City XM193. Verify function with full power ammo and then if you want to shoot lower pressure ammo, tune the rig for that if necessary. |
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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:41:31 PM
[Last Edit: 5/22/2012 10:47:17 PM by ShannonD]
Obo2 they did give me a sheet upon return of the rifle, but it did not detail what they (S&W) did. I tried calling them, but for some unknown reason they could not find out what was done either
 . I'll assume that the clip was the problem since Smith shipped it back with a clip sealed in the bag. I guess that's my only choice. As for Rem oil I bet you are onto something there and just for the sake of experience I'll take what you are suggesting and try that too. As for my reloads I was firing 50 gr hornady pills w/exactly 20.5 grains of Reloader 7 and CCI no.400 primers casings were mostly lake city arsenal. The round did chamber and fired extremely well. If factory ammo is my placebo it obviously didn't make difference as the rifle just jammed when it wanted. I have since ordered RCBS small base dies as a precaution and will post those results as well. As for Reloader 7, though accurate I prefer a bit more head room and have already purchased a couple of pounds of Win 748. I appreciate all tips and remarks. As I said I am new to this platform, comments from great people like you are how I can learn.
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Posted: 6/3/2012 6:52:48 PM
Well I took the rifle out and have a questions about full power loads in this rifle. First off, I tried a few reloads with success, then I tried 20 rounds of PMC FMJ ammo which also functioned well. I also purchased 3 Troy Battlemags. Now, to my question about the S&W M&P 15 and mild loads. While at the range I tried 40 rounds of Tul ammo crap from Wally world. On the 2nd box I began to experience misfeed ( In this case the bolt would pick the round up as in my original post at the top of this forum) as before. Clip has been takin out of the equation since I'm now using Troy. PMC worked fine, reloads worked fine, cheap crap not so fine. My hypothesis is that the crap ammo is not cycling the bolt hard enough. Am I correct? This is a 5.56 NATO rifle. Could my issues really be as simple as hot ammo? Remember my Remington UMC ammo had a issue too. I'm really discouraged and losing faith in the gun. I can make full power loads if that's what it wants. Need input.
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Posted: 6/3/2012 7:06:52 PM
Originally Posted By ShannonD:
Well I took the rifle out and have a questions about full power loads in this rifle. First off, I tried a few reloads with success, then I tried 20 rounds of PMC FMJ ammo which also functioned well. I also purchased 3 Troy Battlemags. Now, to my question about the S&W M&P 15 and mild loads. While at the range I tried 40 rounds of Tul ammo crap from Wally world. On the 2nd box I began to experience misfeed ( In this case the bolt would pick the round up as in my original post at the top of this forum) as before. Clip has been takin out of the equation since I'm now using Troy. PMC worked fine, reloads worked fine, cheap crap not so fine. My hypothesis is that the crap ammo is not cycling the bolt hard enough. Am I correct? This is a 5.56 NATO rifle. Could my issues really be as simple as hot weak ammo? Remember my Remington UMC ammo had a issue too. I'm really discouraged and losing faith in the gun. I can make full power loads if that's what it wants. Need input. Shannon Everything sounds very normal. Tula is loaded to lower pressures is performing as expected. If you want to run Tula you may have to go to a reduced power action spring and/or a lighter buffer. |
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Posted: 6/3/2012 7:51:16 PM
yeah tula is crap
pmc is generally somewhat underpowered too tula probably more so plus the tula has a poly coating that can fould your gun |
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Posted: 6/3/2012 9:56:13 PM
I have always come from the school of "if you don't have to run it wide open, then don't" , but it appears To me anyway, that the AR platform loves hotter ammo. I don't necessarily want to run cheap Tul ammo, I'll run whatever in the hell it takes to get dependable results consistently. I want it to cycle function 100% of the time. So is max pressure ammo what it takes?
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Posted: 6/3/2012 10:48:02 PM
if your reloading anyway i wouldn't bother with steel cased (if you're going to the best results I've seen and heard of are wolf military classic and silver bear)
shouldn't necessarily take full power ammo but maybe your rifle likes it a little on the warm side. run some load workups find what gives the best accuracy and reliability from your rifle. I find the most accurate loads are generally pretty close to the manufacturers max load usually i go with about .3 grains under max as they group the best and it accounts for any variations from my powder measure not exceeding max. Even max listed load is only for 223 and not for 556 so if you have a 556 chamber you have little to worry about approaching max loads. I think between rem oil and tulammo ut could be enough to make you shortstroke. still want to know wtf smith did |
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:14:28 AM
OBO 2 I'd also love to know what Smith did. As I said earlier they sent it back with a new clip in a bag. I could not tell that any mods were made at all. So, I called and the guy was very vague. I had the work number from the paper, but it didn't say anything and they didn't note anything on the computer. Strange eh? Before I sent it back though, I could get it to jam pretty regular manually cycling and now I can't so, at least that is good. Ammo is what it has to be. It is the 5.56 chamber so I'm going to go for broke and use only max pressure loads w/Win 748 from the 6th edition Hornady guide. I've also switched to the small base die set. If this doesn't work I give up.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:21:44 AM
What "clip" did they replace?
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Posted: 6/4/2012 12:52:59 PM
[Last Edit: 6/4/2012 1:50:51 PM by ShannonD]
SlightlySkewed forgive my terminology. They gave me a new 10 round magazine. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 1:21:08 AM
Originally Posted By Dano523:
Originally Posted By Obo2:
rem oil is a little dry for an ar... I use it to wipe down the outside of mine. pick up a can of clp or some slip 2000 ewl or some mobil 1 mixed with automatic tranny fluid. they may have touched up your feed ramps or something as well didn't they give you a service report or something detailing what was done? good luck and good shooting. Rem oil with Teflon is CLP. It just contains less cleaner than say BreakfreeCLP. the msds sheets for rem oil and clp show they are vastly different. |
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ariesfromhell
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Posted: 6/18/2012 5:42:57 AM
i have an M&P and its been flawless even with mixed ammo in the mag when i was trying to see if it would choke. my advise, for what its worth, buy P-mags or Lancer and see if it cures the problem. i cant believe no one has suggested this yet. ive never shot Tula, so i cant comment. but mine eats other steel cased ammo like wolf and brown and silver bear like a champ. try a P-mag, and if you still have a problem send it back to S&W. keep us posted.
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