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Posted: 11/1/2005 7:45:24 AM
Skorp, I read your post quickly and did not note the 10.5-inch tube.
OK, sounds like you need the 11.5 barrel, but if you can get one the issue 14.5. Go with a rubber D-fender or O-ring for under the extractor. You have no way of knowing (or fixing) the size of your gas port. 10.5s are notorious for being picky feeders (the 11.5" Colt Commando is the shortest in-production barrel Colt produces and i have seen in general issue because of the fine balance between short and functional). Any of the heavier buffers will keep you in good stead with the 11.5 or 14.5. Good luck. |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 10:26:17 AM
Sinister
Thanks mate - am definitely trying to get a longer barrel and will sort the o-ring issue also. |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 3:21:03 PM
skorp, let us know how make out. I would imagine your odds of procuring an 11.5 in theater are fairly low, so I would concur with the 14.5 suggestion. And a complete Colt bolt group if you can find one as well, or FN for that matter.
LMT's product is inconsistent to say the least. What might be acceptable for the recreational shooter, who has time to wring out any bugs, is UNSAT for a guy like you. The shit has to WORK right out of the box. Stay safe! |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 4:27:49 PM
have trashed the LMT bolt for a colt replacement. Bolt carrier is still LMT and seems ok. Time will tell.
Still on the hunt for a 14.5" barrel. The 10.5" has to go. It simply hasn't made the grade and I haven't got the patience or luxury of time to deal with symptomatic fixes only. It gets to work first time or it's ultimately heading for the trash heap. |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 8:14:46 PM
skorp,
while shorties are traditionally finicky and LMT has their share of problems I think we should keep the baby and the bathwater in the tub for the time being. A heavier (H3) buffer is necessary for your configuration as well as increased extractor tension. Can you lay hands on an H3 from the links I sent? |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 10:31:13 PM
Dudes potentially in contact don't have the time or luxury of messing with something that should have been de-bugged before deploying. I'd rather have a piece-o-sh!t AK that works every time than a high-speed cute, short carbine that I'm not sure of (and I am relying on for both my job and life insurance).
Skorp, just out of curiosity is this LMT bolt the one with two extractor springs? |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 1:54:10 AM
tweak - will have a look at the links this am my time for buffer weights, thanks for the steer.
The LMT extractor was single spring. If I can find a 14.5" tube, it's going on for testing. Reliability is king. |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 3:22:50 AM
[Last Edit: 11/2/2005 3:35:07 AM by Tweak]
What you're seeing is decades of advertizing coming to fruition, this is the end product of "mil spec" this and "usgi" that. Some bean counter thought it would be cheaper to "build their own" rifles rather than buy known good ones. If this rifle was his only one I'd recommend tossing it under the nearest armored vehicle but we do have the luxury of troubleshooting it as he does have an AK and he can't easily find replacement parts. He's stuck with it so we'e going to try and make it work and in the process maybe help a whole bunch of other folks who are stuck in the same situation. Eventually these civilian clowns (not the shooters but the paymasters) will figure out that there is a reason mil parts are more expensive. skorp, can you order one of the H3 buffers from your location? if not we'll make arrangements. ETA 4 pages for your reading pleasure |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 11:35:57 AM
tweak - have managed to source an H2 buffer, and an armorer is going to either put an extra weight in it, or get an H3 buffer from somewhere
may also have a line on a 14.5" tube from a tried and tested mil-spec manufacturer. wait out on that one. skorp |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 12:48:50 PM
Good deal.
Did you find my info dumpu useful BTW? |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 1:40:32 PM
JLM
intel was of good value and will be disseminated accordingly here. thanks very much. skorp |
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Posted: 11/3/2005 2:03:38 PM
thanks to a friendly armorer, have today managed to change over to a 14.5" colt heavy M4 barrel and will test fire tomorrow. Only downside was scratching of lock nut on Larue tactical forend rail system which was a complete b*stard to get off. Now it's got nasty gouges on both sides where the wrench bit into it. Anyone know some home fixes for cosmetic repairs?
have installed H2 buffer, still waiting for H3 - may just have to put extra weight into H2. Once o-rings rec'd, will install one, keep a couple of spares and distribute rest to armorer and other guys. goodbye LMT barrel with canted FSB. skorp |
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Posted: 11/3/2005 2:24:14 PM
Thats pretty disappointing about the LMT barrel. All my LMT products have been great. FWIW, Wes Grant puts an O-ring in every 10.5 bolt he ships. Then he test fires 90 rounds really fast (he uses his RR M16 for that). It seems to be an almost mandatory modification.
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Posted: 11/3/2005 5:00:41 PM
yep, it's disappointing. still, a lot of shorties are problem children and potential lack of reliability makes me extremely twitchy - and Iraq generates enough twitches on it's own without adding problematic equipment.
Zeroing the iron sights with a canted FSB was a complete b*stard. I almost ran out of right windage on my adjustable rear before it would zero at 25m. And that was a minor problem compared to extraction issues. A 14.5", with buffer and extractor fixes added will hopefully bring things back on line, plus will give me some extra velocity and energy on the target. I still have the LMT upper (colt bolt, mind you), so I haven't binned LMT completely..... |
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Posted: 11/3/2005 7:19:57 PM
Probably a good thing, allthou LMT alledgedly does that ![]() Binned eh? I somehow suspected you were British |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 4:14:17 AM
he had me at "slotted"
care package is still on hold pending an outcome, one other WA member wants throw in some items. O rings went out last week IIRC. |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 11:01:40 AM
g'day
I shall not take offense at being mistaken for a brit, although as an aussie, it's a serious insult to be labelled as a 'whinging pom', or 'whinging pommie b*stard' (your preference - but say it with feeling). As fellow ex-colonials with your own proud history of hammering the brits for a spot of entertainment, I know you'll understand. On to other things. I test fired the M4 today and only got time for 5 mags (who knows if that's enough), which went through without any issue bar one. The bolt will not hold open on the last round. I did a function test at the beginning and the bolt will not hold open on any of the mags I tried, new or old. I don't know if this is a drama with the bolt catch or a gas issue. I suspect the former as it will not hold open when I put an empty mag on and cycle the action(?) Correct me if I'm wrong. When I push the bolt hold/release catch in manually, it catches the bolt in the correct position. skorp |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 11:04:07 AM
again, thanks for all the advice and care packages. all items will be put to good use, both by me and the numerous other guys that need help, including the armorers.
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Posted: 11/4/2005 3:06:39 PM
Skorp, check your bolt catch. A sub-standard one won't have enough projection on the front end to catch on the back end of the mag follower (forcing the catch up to lock the bolt and carrier to the rear).
"Ozzies I like. Ruperts, well..." |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 4:00:48 PM
the bolt catch seems to either be binding, or is too stiff for the mag follower to push it all the way up.
bloody hell, if it's not one thing, it's another. can anyone recommend a good bolt catch and provide some instructions on the best way to get it out. that roll pin is a very small diameter. |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 4:12:54 PM
Bolt catch assembly here:
http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/#boltCatch Hopefully you can get a Colt or FN catch. Is it a LMT lower as well? Ozzie eh? Well all right Take care, and stay safe! |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 5:21:19 PM
I'll try to get a colt bolt catch
Yeah, no hiding it - I'm an aussie. We have a couple of yanks on our team who have been made honorary aussies. took em' a while, but they got there. cheers |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 7:51:52 PM
OK, let's get back on track,
Strip the bolt out of the carrier and slowly slide the carrier into the upper, feel for ANY resistance as the gas tube enters the carrier key. If there is any interference you can adjust the end of the gas tube with a large flatbladed screwdriver. Adjust the fit until the carrier closes without any interference. Then take your newly rebarreled rifle and drop a round in the chamber, drop the bolt, press in on the bolt catch, and fire the round. Repeat this test several times to be sure. If the bolt locks back properly you have a bolt catch/magazine problem. If it doesn't lock back you have a gas problem. The bolt catch only needs enough spring tension on it to hold it down, no more. Compare the fit and tension of your catch to other ARs that you have at hand. Less tension is better on a bolt catch up to the point that the catch starts engaging in the middle of a magazine. You should be able to deburr either the bolt catch slot or the catch itself and/or adjust the bolt catch spring. Make sure that there is not a disconnector spring under the bolt catch, it's been known to happen. You get this rifle fixed and we'll make you an honorary Seppo, then you can chat up Mr Lewis about his bodgy parts. JLM, It's a BFI lower, more "milspec" parts. |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 8:07:29 PM
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Posted: 11/5/2005 8:48:32 AM
Tweak
No resistance as bolt carrier key meets gas tube. Can't get the bloody bolt catch out as don't have anything to drive the pin out with. Will try to get it back to the armorer at some stage. Frustrating. It won't hold open when I put an empty mag on and pull the working parts to the rear, either. Will try the function test you described, when I can get on the range (who knows when that will be). @#$%^!!!! Honorary Septic, hmmm? |
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