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Posted: 10/23/2016 3:06:54 PM EDT
Hi guys. One of my rifles is an Oracle I picked up a few years ago and its my least favorite. I am thinking I'd like to change it a bit more to my liking.
What I really want to do is ditch the handguard and put a free float simple round aluminum handguard on and scope it and put a cool muzle break on it. The front gas block sight base has me wondering what to do. Anyone have any ideas for a good handguard for it and how it would work with the front base? Would I remove that and just have a low pro gasblock inside the Guard? Is that sight base on the oracle really difficult to remove? Thanks! 
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Posted: 10/23/2016 4:03:32 PM EDT
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There are lots of options for Drop In front rails.
I believe UTGs go for around $50.00. Edit: ok so maybe $70.00. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2612198494/utg-pro-2-piece-handguard-quad-rail-ar-15-carbine-length |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 4:15:03 PM EDT
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You are on the right track.
But yes, more than likely you'll need to change out the gas block to a low profile one to fit under a free float handguard unless you got a really short one. It's not that difficult of a job if you are at least a little mechanically inclined. However if you don't have the tools already you may be better off getting a gunsmith to do the work for you. ETA: if you are looking to improve your accuracy don't forget to look at your trigger. Alot of factory GI triggers are pretty crumby (and I'm not trigger snob). Look at things like the ALG ACT trigger it the BCM PNT trigger. Not terribly expensive but a big improvement over most factory GI type triggers. Quoted:
There are lots of options for Drop In front rails. I believe UTGs go for around $50.00. Edit: ok so maybe $70.00. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2612198494/utg-pro-2-piece-handguard-quad-rail-ar-15-carbine-length But drop-in does not = free float. I will add that those UTG Pro handguards are pretty nice. They have a lot of options. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:12:22 PM EDT
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You are on the right track. But yes, more than likely you'll need to change out the gas block to a low profile one to fit under a free float handguard unless you got a really short one. It's not that difficult of a job if you are at least a little mechanically inclined. However if you don't have the tools already you may be better off getting a gunsmith to do the work for you. ETA: if you are looking to improve your accuracy don't forget to look at your trigger. Alot of factory GI triggers are pretty crumby (and I'm not trigger snob). Look at things like the ALG ACT trigger it the BCM PNT trigger. Not terribly expensive but a big improvement over most factory GI type triggers. But drop-in does not = free float. I will add that those UTG Pro handguards are pretty nice. They have a lot of options. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You are on the right track. But yes, more than likely you'll need to change out the gas block to a low profile one to fit under a free float handguard unless you got a really short one. It's not that difficult of a job if you are at least a little mechanically inclined. However if you don't have the tools already you may be better off getting a gunsmith to do the work for you. ETA: if you are looking to improve your accuracy don't forget to look at your trigger. Alot of factory GI triggers are pretty crumby (and I'm not trigger snob). Look at things like the ALG ACT trigger it the BCM PNT trigger. Not terribly expensive but a big improvement over most factory GI type triggers. Quoted:
There are lots of options for Drop In front rails. I believe UTGs go for around $50.00. Edit: ok so maybe $70.00. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2612198494/utg-pro-2-piece-handguard-quad-rail-ar-15-carbine-length But drop-in does not = free float. I will add that those UTG Pro handguards are pretty nice. They have a lot of options. Awesome. Thanks for the advice. You got exactly what I am after. I want the long tube that just leaves a little barrel exposed, looks awesome that way. Will do a trigger swap too. Want to get free floated, scoped and better trigger and then use it for my coyote gun, or fun at the range gun. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:51:10 PM EDT
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Getting the FSB off can sometimes be a real bear. I had one where the pins would not budge. I destroyed at least one punch in the process. Try it yourself, but if the pins don't move with reasonable force STOP before you destroy your barrel. I sent mine to Adco who did it for a small fee (like $15 I think). They use a press which is the best way. Adco is also an excellent shop for pinning/welding muzzle devices etc. And they'll do custom work too for VERY reasonable cost.
https://www.adcofirearms.com/ . |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 2:24:12 AM EDT
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Getting the FSB off can sometimes be a real bear. I had one where the pins would not budge. I destroyed at least one punch in the process. Try it yourself, but if the pins don't move with reasonable force STOP before you destroy your barrel. I sent mine to Adco who did it for a small fee (like $15 I think). They use a press which is the best way. Adco is also an excellent shop for pinning/welding muzzle devices etc. And they'll do custom work too for VERY reasonable cost. https://www.adcofirearms.com/ . Thanks for the input! I'll check them out. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 5:42:27 AM EDT
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Shaving down the front sight post/gas block and then installing a FF handguard is a simple option also.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 5:44:25 AM EDT
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Shaving down the front sight post/gas block and then installing a FF handguard is a simple option also. You and your Dremel get the hell out of here 
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Posted: 10/24/2016 6:59:33 AM EDT
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A guy here at work brought in an upper last week...tried to remove the front sight post, looked like he used a mini jackhammer. Bet that for every strike he landed on a pin, he missed 3.
Shaved and blended it for him, covered with his new rail, VOILA! TACTICAL. Just easier for some.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 4:32:07 PM EDT
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Where is a good place to aquire a good free float keymod on the cheap, like 60-80$?
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Posted: 10/24/2016 6:33:07 PM EDT
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Where is a good place to aquire a good free float keymod on the cheap, like 60-80$? There is actually a semi decent made keymod rail out there that is under $100 but I can't think of their damn name right now... I'm sure I'll remember in the middle of the the night tonight. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 7:25:49 PM EDT
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There is actually a semi decent made keymod rail out there that is under $100 but I can't think of their damn name right now... I'm sure I'll remember in the middle of the the night tonight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is a good place to aquire a good free float keymod on the cheap, like 60-80$? There is actually a semi decent made keymod rail out there that is under $100 but I can't think of their damn name right now... I'm sure I'll remember in the middle of the the night tonight. Ok cool, thanks man! |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 4:53:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:54:11 PM EDT
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https://www.deltateamtactical.com/Omega-Mfg-Inc-15-Super-Ultra-Slim-Keymod-Ar-15-Handguard-Rail-Steel-Barrel-Nut_p_4383.html Poke around this website. Damn, they have some excellent prices! Is their quality pretty good? Also is it a fiasco on shipping times? Thanks for the referral, seems like an awesome site for budget gear! |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 3:24:03 PM EDT
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I know a few people that have bought their stuff from that website.
Seem to be a little better than the airsoft parts you buy on ebay, etc.. probably since they at least claim to finish the items in the US. Otherwise I don't have any information on them. Just remember you usually get what you pay for, but as long as you go into it knowing that, and hey its $50, worth a shot to me. |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 1:49:05 AM EDT
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Whats your cost limit? Because you can do both keep "drop-in" style and go free float while keeping your front sight post! Google these options
1. Daniel Defense Omega Rail 7.0 2. Vltor CASV-EL 3. Troy Delta or Charlie Battlerail All 3 work on a Drop-in system, make your hand guard Free Float and let you keep the front sight post in tact also try to find 4. Centurion Carbine cut-out Rail 5. Fortis Carbine cut-out rail 6. Midwest Industries Gen 2 free float 2 part carbine cut-out Those last 3 (4-6) require the removal of the delta ring &spring pack (cutting them off is not so bad) But for sure look up all of those options before hacking away at your front sight post! |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 11:29:52 PM EDT
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Ok cool, thanks man! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is a good place to aquire a good free float keymod on the cheap, like 60-80$? There is actually a semi decent made keymod rail out there that is under $100 but I can't think of their damn name right now... I'm sure I'll remember in the middle of the the night tonight. Ok cool, thanks man! Matrix offers cheap USA hand guards at roughly $50 + S&H. I used one on a budget lightweight build and it hasn't disappointed. Its fairly new to me so I don't have extended use feedback for you. I dont think its battle worthy, but we'll see how it holds up as time goes on. http://www.chandlerhardwoods.com/product-p/ar15-11c.htm |
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Posted: 10/27/2016 7:34:16 AM EDT
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Anyone have any ideas for a good handguard for it and how it would work with the front base? Would I remove that and just have a low pro gasblock inside the Guard? Is that sight base on the oracle really difficult to remove? Thanks!
From what I've seen, the Oracle uses a low-rise railed gas block (pictures all over the web showing the rail on the block is well below the rail on most handguards out there). A larger diameter handguard should slide over that block. If you have a smaller tube or just don't want that big blocky obscene looking thing with a rail showing through your handguard, It is easy enough to remove by loosening the two set screws on the bottom of the block. |
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Posted: 10/27/2016 7:48:59 AM EDT
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https://www.deltateamtactical.com/Omega-Mfg-Inc-15-Super-Ultra-Slim-Keymod-Ar-15-Handguard-Rail-Steel-Barrel-Nut_p_4383.html Poke around this website. Do your homework first, all I will say about DTT this tine around. There are a few threads on this company already here, usually get locked down quickly. Know what you are in for prior to committing. Also, as noted by another member, pretty sure all Oracle carbines come with railed gas block. Easy to swap out. |
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Posted: 10/27/2016 12:16:25 PM EDT
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There is actually a semi decent made keymod rail out there that is under $100 but I can't think of their damn name right now... I'm sure I'll remember in the middle of the the night tonight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is a good place to aquire a good free float keymod on the cheap, like 60-80$? There is actually a semi decent made keymod rail out there that is under $100 but I can't think of their damn name right now... I'm sure I'll remember in the middle of the the night tonight. I have no affiliation with 223handguard.com. I bought a 15" keymod from them last month that was $68. Fit and finish is excellent and it feels very solid. They have the aluminum tubes you might like. http://www.223handguard.com/category-s/116.htm?searching=Y&sort=7&cat=116&show=120&page=1 |
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Posted: 10/27/2016 5:59:29 PM EDT
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