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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:09:16 PM EDT
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You're going to lose that 0.150" of stroke, which may keep you from locking back on an empty mag reliably.
Other than that, if you have enough threads, I don't see why it wouldn't do what you want it to. ETA: IS THIS IT? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:13:18 PM EDT
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Yes it is.
Before I wack and hack,I'll insert 3 quarters at the bottom before the spring goes in and test the cycling 
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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:22:51 PM EDT
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I can just make the retainer slot deeper without taking any material off the end. That way my mod would be reversible
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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:25:29 PM EDT
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I can just make the retainer slot deeper without taking any material off the end. That way my mod would be reversible The threads protruding through the lower will be 1 3/16" in diameter, while the ID of the upper is only 1", so you'll have to do something to add clearance for the top 3/4 of the tube. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:40:36 PM EDT
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Would it be possible to consider a different pistol buffer tube? I think that the Phase 5 "standard" buffer is shorter than the one you currently have. I'd have to dig mine out and measure to be sure.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:13:11 PM EDT
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The threads protruding through the lower will be 1 3/16" in diameter, while the ID of the upper is only 1", so you'll have to do something to add clearance for the top 3/4 of the tube. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can just make the retainer slot deeper without taking any material off the end. That way my mod would be reversible The threads protruding through the lower will be 1 3/16" in diameter, while the ID of the upper is only 1", so you'll have to do something to add clearance for the top 3/4 of the tube. Good catch there. I just checked and I have about 0.200" before the extension would protrude out of the lower |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:27:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: I have a Radical Firearms receiver extension that sticks out 6.750" out of the receiver. I would like it to be 6.600" to get my OAL down to under 26"
Does anyone have knowledge of whether it's feasible to do this. I would just grind the amount off on my 8" grinder and grind in the buffer retainer spot. I figure that would be better than messing with the melonited barrel Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:35:05 PM EDT
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Some archaic law about pistols needing to be under the magic number of 26"
Hey OP, your not measuring/counting your muzzle device? Then again it's MI law they may include a non-perm attached muzzle device. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:51:37 PM EDT
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Good catch there. I just checked and I have about 0.200" before the extension would protrude out of the lower Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can just make the retainer slot deeper without taking any material off the end. That way my mod would be reversible The threads protruding through the lower will be 1 3/16" in diameter, while the ID of the upper is only 1", so you'll have to do something to add clearance for the top 3/4 of the tube. Good catch there. I just checked and I have about 0.200" before the extension would protrude out of the lower ? Are you not threaded in all the way already or something? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:35:54 PM EDT
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Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? This. Why do you want the gun under 26" OAL? Unless your state law requires it, there's no reason you should have to keep it below 26". |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:49:34 PM EDT
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? Are you not threaded in all the way already or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can just make the retainer slot deeper without taking any material off the end. That way my mod would be reversible The threads protruding through the lower will be 1 3/16" in diameter, while the ID of the upper is only 1", so you'll have to do something to add clearance for the top 3/4 of the tube. Good catch there. I just checked and I have about 0.200" before the extension would protrude out of the lower ? Are you not threaded in all the way already or something? Not threaded in all the way. Michigan has no state law on measuring OAL so it's up to local yocal interpretation. The firearm needs to be under 26" to be a pistol and thus be able to carry under my Concealed Pistol license.Even the lawyers on our instate gun forum (MGO) have been changing their minds on it. I know the Feds don't count a non-pinned muzzle device, but some dept by me may since there is no MCL that I can find. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:51:02 PM EDT
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This. Why do you want the gun under 26" OAL? Unless your state law requires it, there's no reason you should have to keep it below 26". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? This. Why do you want the gun under 26" OAL? Unless your state law requires it, there's no reason you should have to keep it below 26". Makes the difference between pistol and firearm. I believe MI allows for a loaded pistol in the vehicle, but not a loaded "firearm" |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:59:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not threaded in all the way.
Michigan has no state law on measuring OAL so it's up to local yocal interpretation. The firearm needs to be under 26" to be a pistol and thus be able to carry under my Concealed Pistol license.Even the lawyers on our instate gun forum (MGO) have been changing their minds on it. I know the Feds don't count a non-pinned muzzle device, but some dept by me may since there is no MCL that I can find. Thanks for the explanation - what a pain. Sounds like Dremel is your friend. Could you just unscrew your muzzle device & put on a thread protector? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 5:26:43 PM EDT
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Yup I could a Thread Protector custom for $15 or order one for $15 plus shipping,I have a Brownells Shorty Muzzle Brake on now but it's load and proud.
To put the Simple Threaded Device on would only require me to take off 0.070" off the STD or Receiver extension I have a dremel and lots of burrs, also a Dotco Pencil Grinder,files. Most everything a good Toolmaker would need, Unless I already sold it. |
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Posted: 8/31/2014 9:29:39 AM EDT
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Would it be possible to consider a different pistol buffer tube? I think that the Phase 5 "standard" buffer is shorter than the one you currently have. I'd have to dig mine out and measure to be sure. Did you happen to measure it yet? I already sold off my RF 10.5 melonite barrel and now have a complete RF upper attached to the receiver |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 10:40:07 AM EDT
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Would it be possible to consider a different pistol buffer tube? I think that the Phase 5 "standard" buffer is shorter than the one you currently have. I'd have to dig mine out and measure to be sure. Thanks for measuring,I now have a Phase5 from EE on a trade coming,whenever the US Mail starts up again. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 11:05:22 AM EDT
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Thanks for measuring,I now have a Phase5 from EE on a trade coming,whenever the US Mail starts up again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would it be possible to consider a different pistol buffer tube? I think that the Phase 5 "standard" buffer is shorter than the one you currently have. I'd have to dig mine out and measure to be sure. Thanks for measuring,I now have a Phase5 from EE on a trade coming,whenever the US Mail starts up again. Glad to be of help. I hope that it works out for you. I've been pretty happy with my set up thus far.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 11:29:33 AM EDT
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Makes the difference between pistol and firearm. I believe MI allows for a loaded pistol in the vehicle, but not a loaded "firearm" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? This. Why do you want the gun under 26" OAL? Unless your state law requires it, there's no reason you should have to keep it below 26". Makes the difference between pistol and firearm. I believe MI allows for a loaded pistol in the vehicle, but not a loaded "firearm" No - it only becomes a firearm IF the OAL is greater than 26'' and a vertical grip is added. Federal law still has it as a pistol at 26+'' and no vert grip. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 11:46:26 AM EDT
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No - it only becomes a firearm IF the OAL is greater than 26'' and a vertical grip is added. Federal law still has it as a pistol at 26+'' and no vert grip. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? This. Why do you want the gun under 26" OAL? Unless your state law requires it, there's no reason you should have to keep it below 26". Makes the difference between pistol and firearm. I believe MI allows for a loaded pistol in the vehicle, but not a loaded "firearm" No - it only becomes a firearm IF the OAL is greater than 26'' and a vertical grip is added. Federal law still has it as a pistol at 26+'' and no vert grip. I was talking about MI law, not fed. Has to be under 26"to be loaded in your vehicle. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 12:38:52 PM EDT
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No - it only becomes a firearm IF the OAL is greater than 26'' and a vertical grip is added. Federal law still has it as a pistol at 26+'' and no vert grip. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? This. Why do you want the gun under 26" OAL? Unless your state law requires it, there's no reason you should have to keep it below 26". Makes the difference between pistol and firearm. I believe MI allows for a loaded pistol in the vehicle, but not a loaded "firearm" No - it only becomes a firearm IF the OAL is greater than 26'' and a vertical grip is added. Federal law still has it as a pistol at 26+'' and no vert grip. Michigan does not follow federal law. They even allow stuff that gets you banned here. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 12:48:30 PM EDT
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Why not just get an LWRC UCIW Stock, and mod the buffer tube to prevent a stock from being readily attached? (paracord wrap or whatever).
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Posted: 9/1/2014 12:50:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just get an LWRC UCIW Stock, and mod the buffer tube to prevent a stock from being readily attached? (paracord wrap or whatever). You don't have to mod the buffer tube. Any buffer tube is legal on a Federal pistol AR. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 6:19:41 PM EDT
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You don't have to mod the buffer tube. Any buffer tube is legal on a Federal pistol AR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/1/2014 6:20:43 PM EDT
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Why not just get an LWRC UCIW Stock, and mod the buffer tube to prevent a stock from being readily attached? (paracord wrap or whatever). Thanky You for your insight,but it has not a effing thing to do with the OP Your Avatar is something I could use for your post. Lighten up a bit or take your attitude and questions to General Discussion - Eric802 |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 6:35:06 PM EDT
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Thanky You for your insight,but it has not a effing thing to do with the OP Your Avatar is something I could use for your post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just get an LWRC UCIW Stock, and mod the buffer tube to prevent a stock from being readily attached? (paracord wrap or whatever). Thanky You for your insight,but it has not a effing thing to do with the OP Your Avatar is something I could use for your post. Well, seemed like an obvious drop-in solution to your issue. Sorry I've intruded into your thread. Best of luck with modifying your buffer, buffer tube, spring, etc. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 7:01:13 PM EDT
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Well, seemed like an obvious drop-in solution to your issue. Sorry I've intruded into your thread. Best of luck with modifying your buffer, buffer tube, spring, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just get an LWRC UCIW Stock, and mod the buffer tube to prevent a stock from being readily attached? (paracord wrap or whatever). Thanky You for your insight,but it has not a effing thing to do with the OP Your Avatar is something I could use for your post. Well, seemed like an obvious drop-in solution to your issue. Sorry I've intruded into your thread. Best of luck with modifying your buffer, buffer tube, spring, etc. You really don't have a clue? See previous comment - Eric802 |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 7:05:22 PM EDT
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Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I have a Radical Firearms receiver extension that sticks out 6.750" out of the receiver. I would like it to be 6.600" to get my OAL down to under 26"
Does anyone have knowledge of whether it's feasible to do this. I would just grind the amount off on my 8" grinder and grind in the buffer retainer spot. I figure that would be better than messing with the melonited barrel Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? There is if he lives in Michigan at least. I haven't checked where he lives. In Michigan an AR pistol MUST be under 26" AOL or they classify it a SBR regardless of the Fed laws.I know, I looked up the Michigan laws for someone about 4 or 5 months ago. Other states may have similar garbage extra laws. The Mi. laws DO include the flash hider also. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 11:07:43 PM EDT
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Thank you for your insight. BUT your answer means not a effing thing to the OP Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/1/2014 11:24:29 PM EDT
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Just cut the threads off the barrel rethread and crown. Problem solved.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:54:10 PM EDT
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That has been brought up,I have a smith lined up,but I may have it covered.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 1:00:54 AM EDT
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Not cheap but I use a 4" pistol buffer tube. The problem is it takes a special bolt carrier so it is more expensive. I use one in my AR bullpup conversion and it works fine a bit of pain to take apart doesn't break down like a normal AR you have to remove the recoil spring from the buffer tube before you can open up the receivers.
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Posted: 9/4/2014 3:00:35 PM EDT
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I got the Phase 5 tube and STD in nthe mail.
The Phase 5 is longer that the RF tube. With the STD and RF tube my OAL is 25 .875 +or- .050" on the 'Ben Franklin" wooden yardstick. So no worry either way on Michigan Law 46 rounds fire and the RF polymer sights are not some of the finest examples of Craftsmanship, they rock,they roll and they don't sit flush on the rail,and it's their rail and their sights. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 9:44:59 PM EDT
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Wait, so the Phase 5 buffer tube is LONGER than the one you had? Interesting. I know my measuring was right for my tube. Hmmmmm....
But, it sounds like you'll be good for your build, correct? Post pics when you can. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:50:49 AM EDT
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At the time I measured the RF tube it wasn't screwed in all the way due to operator error and the fact that the clearance for the buffer retainer wasn't adequate for it to screw in properly.
It will serve as a spare for my current pistol,or as a spare for my spare virgin lower in case a AR barrel of questionable size finds it's way on over. 
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:52:36 AM EDT
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I traded my spare carbine receiver extension for the phase 5 so I'm only out postage and like I said it's a spare and cheap insurance.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:30:45 AM EDT
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There is if he lives in Michigan at least. I haven't checked where he lives. In Michigan an AR pistol MUST be under 26" AOL or they classify it a SBR regardless of the Fed laws.I know, I looked up the Michigan laws for someone about 4 or 5 months ago. Other states may have similar garbage extra laws. The Mi. laws DO include the flash hider also. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone have knowledge of whether it's feasible to do this. I would just grind the amount off on my 8" grinder and grind in the buffer retainer spot. I figure that would be better than messing with the melonited barrel Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? There is if he lives in Michigan at least. I haven't checked where he lives. In Michigan an AR pistol MUST be under 26" AOL or they classify it a SBR regardless of the Fed laws.I know, I looked up the Michigan laws for someone about 4 or 5 months ago. Other states may have similar garbage extra laws. The Mi. laws DO include the flash hider also. If it's over 26" it is a "firearm". |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:42:14 AM EDT
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I traded my spare carbine receiver extension for the phase 5 so I'm only out postage and like I said it's a spare and cheap insurance. Sounds good and like it's all going to work out for you. Good deal. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:19:23 AM EDT
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Does anyone have knowledge of whether it's feasible to do this. I would just grind the amount off on my 8" grinder and grind in the buffer retainer spot. I figure that would be better than messing with the melonited barrel Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? There is if he lives in Michigan at least. I haven't checked where he lives. In Michigan an AR pistol MUST be under 26" AOL or they classify it a SBR regardless of the Fed laws.I know, I looked up the Michigan laws for someone about 4 or 5 months ago. Other states may have similar garbage extra laws. The Mi. laws DO include the flash hider also. If it's over 26" it is a "firearm". Tell that to the local LE,ADA If over 26" it can't be carried locked and loaded in my vehicle either,with CPL |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:49:22 AM EDT
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Bucket-Back, I would suggest you read the code of conduct for the tech forums and modify your attitude a bit.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:06:28 PM EDT
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No problem . How hard would it be for posters in this thread to just answer the question in the OP.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:15:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:47:10 PM EDT
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No. If it's over 26", w/o a stock, AND has a VFG attached, it's a firearm. Otherwise it's just a really long pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:02:27 PM EDT
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Tell that to the local LE,ADA If over 26" it can't be carried locked and loaded in my vehicle either,with CPL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone have knowledge of whether it's feasible to do this. I would just grind the amount off on my 8" grinder and grind in the buffer retainer spot. I figure that would be better than messing with the melonited barrel Is there a legal advantage under your state law to getting your OAL under 26"? There is if he lives in Michigan at least. I haven't checked where he lives. In Michigan an AR pistol MUST be under 26" AOL or they classify it a SBR regardless of the Fed laws.I know, I looked up the Michigan laws for someone about 4 or 5 months ago. Other states may have similar garbage extra laws. The Mi. laws DO include the flash hider also. If it's over 26" it is a "firearm". Tell that to the local LE,ADA If over 26" it can't be carried locked and loaded in my vehicle either,with CPL Agreed. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:03:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:12:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:05:15 PM EDT
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At least OH doesn't care to further define a pistol. CHL+Loaded AR pistol in a vehicle =
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Posted: 9/8/2014 7:39:27 PM EDT
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