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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:37:54 PM EDT
I have my drill press, mill vice, 80% lower, and my jig from DIY Armory.  What end mill bits work best for cleaning up the FCG pocket after drilling? Should I get 2 flute or 4 flute mills?  1/4" and 3/8" mills? Carbide?  A friend told me to get 2 flute end mills because 4 flute mills are for steel and they will become clogged quickly when used in aluminum. Is this true? I have some scrap aluminum I got from a local boat builder so I plan on practicing on these first. Any insight and direction would be appreciated.
Link Posted: 8/23/2014 12:16:32 AM EDT
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Unless you are using the endmill to counterbore, it has no business being used in a drill press.

A drill press is not a mill, and a drill chuck is not designed to handle ANY side loading forces.

Use proper tools for the job - Its no fun sitting in an ER waiting room.

Find someone that will let you have some mill time.  AR frames can be made even with a small Seig X2 size mini mill.
Link Posted: 8/23/2014 12:22:32 AM EDT
[#2]
Two flute will cut more quickly and are great for getting the bulk of the metal out of the pocket.  I then switched to four flute for a final pass to get a smoother surface, but that's not really necessary unless you want a better finish than a two flute seems to give.

1/4" and 3/8" are the sizes that I used for the pocket and shelf.  Generally you'll need the long length end mill.  I used 1/2" and 5/8" length of cut.  For the trigger slot I used a 5/16" end mill.

Mine are plain high speed steel.  Carbide or one of the titanium surfaces would probably work better.

I ordered from McMaster-Carr.  Not the cheapest, but have a lot in stock and really fast shipping.
http://www.mcmaster.com/?m=true#end-mills/=tegv5n

FWIW, I did my first with a Dremel tool.  That worked out fine, so I upgraded to a Harbor Freight drill press-the cheap 8" table top $59.00 one on sale.  Worked just fine, but had a tendency to chatter if I tried to cut too fast.

I just finished one with my new drill press, the 10" table top, on sale and with a coupon was $90.00.  Worth every penny for the much larger range of speeds available.

The best tool is patience.  Take your time.

Don't force the metal against the mill.  A light touch, slo-o-o-o-ow cutting speeds, and constant checking to make sure you aren't removing too much metal.  Be particularly careful where the selector detent and selector hole are.  I found out the hard way that it's possible to take way too much aluminum off and screw that channel up.
Link Posted: 8/23/2014 11:10:17 AM EDT
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Wich way do you cut with an end mill? I seem to recall that you are supposed to travel one way or the other, like if you are cutting the perimiter of the FCG pocket, you go counter clockwise, or clockwise?
Link Posted: 8/23/2014 11:33:05 AM EDT
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I started to type a response, then decided to point you towards a couple of links that put it better than me...


http://www.mfg.mtu.edu/marc/primers/milling/

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/39689-End-Mill-Direction

In short, I prefer to up (conventional) milling, especially with the softer materials like Aluminum and Polymer. Also, if doing a Polymer piece, cutter speed needs to be very slow. I found 300-500 rpm best for Poly.

Link Posted: 8/23/2014 12:55:03 PM EDT
[#5]
A lot of people have successfully "milled" out ar15 FCGs with drill presses.

My suggestions:
Drill pilot holes to give you room to see what's going on
Use a good vice, I suggest clamping fixtures or a jig
Figure out the recommended tool-head speed of the material your soon-to-be-receiver is made of
Make sure your endmill is designed for Al
take your time doing it, it will get hot very quickly, and you want to clear out chips frequently
Link Posted: 8/23/2014 2:09:13 PM EDT
[#6]
I’m no pro machinist but I have used a mill quite a bit
That being said …. After doing my lower and ruining the first one on a good mill with correct tools I cant imagine trying to do one on a drill press.
If there’s any way you can get the use of a mill or a friend w one to help you id do it if I where you...just sayin

I used the following end mills
5/8
3/8
5/16
Link Posted: 8/23/2014 5:51:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/23/2014 6:27:46 PM EDT
[#8]
I did one with a drill press. It was not the fun leisurely project I expected. I was able to complete it with only one serious flaw (milled a hole through the bottom). But I always felt like I was pushing the tool past what it was designed to do. If you're going to use a drill press, go slow.

I've got a mini mill now but I've not used it for an 80%.  I guarantee it would do the job, faster, more accurately and with a lot less worry.

Also two flute end mills work better for aluminum. I get most of my mills from Enco. Since I have Prime I sometimes get mills from Amazon.
Link Posted: 8/23/2014 8:43:41 PM EDT
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Climb milling tends to dig and grab. And without a good milling machine will lead to disaster for you.
 
Link Posted: 8/24/2014 12:56:23 AM EDT
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I buy my end mills from use-enco dot com. I was buying from MS Discount, (not MSC) but their shipping was too high. I have done 3 on my antique Rockwell drill press, and I am adding an X-Y table to it now. NOT a cheap HF X Y vise.

http://www.use-Enco.com
325-6016 1/4-1/4 LOC .75 $7.95,
326-0145 5/16-5/16 LOC 1.125 $18.25






Link Posted: 8/24/2014 5:21:59 AM EDT
[#11]
The table v XY vice is a great point to bring up

An inexpensive vice has a lot of slop / play and tends to not move slow and precise like a table …. leading to chatter issues and an uneven looking finish cut.
It all kinda boils down to how clean you expect the finished part to be.

Other things I learned
Get some machinist layout fluid
Better to use the top plate to mark the receiver and start cutting without it on … you can see better
Remove chips constantly w air … plus it helps cool the cutter (alum sticks to hot cutter)
More light the better
Watch your clearance …. don’t run into the part where the buffer tube screws on
Make a quickly depth tool / stick …. so you can keep checking until you’re close
Link Posted: 8/24/2014 5:23:25 AM EDT
[#12]
I used a cheap harbor freight x-y vise. It sucks. Way too much slop.  One knob moves the object away from you if you turn it clockwise. The other moves the object closer to you if you move it clockwise. This is confusing.  Get something better.
Link Posted: 8/24/2014 6:04:39 AM EDT
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I have the HF 6" cross slide vice. Yes it sucks. Yes the handle direction/table feed direction is different from one handle to the other (mark the feed directions near each handle to help you). But after rebuilding it (disassemble, clean, stone the rails, oil, carefully assemble & set up) it is useable (with care). Not sure I would attempt finishing an aluminum piece on it. If I did it would be a slow and careful project. I have successfully completed 3 polymer lowers with it. Have not screwed one up yet (reaches for nearest wood to knock). Definitely a problem switching from up to down milling with the slop in it. Interesting note, Polymer80 Tactical uses one in their instructional video on finishing their lowers.

Anyhow, if you have the means, buy a better cross slide. If not, the HF is an option, but requires lots of care and time.
Link Posted: 8/24/2014 8:15:20 AM EDT
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I got this one. I found the same identical tables for prices all over the place. One seller wanted $179 + shipping. One I got was a bit high for shipping, but still total was $30 less than the next closest one shipped. So.... dollars and common sense told me which to buy. I ordered some T-nuts, but they haven't arrived yet. I got some 1/2" carriage bolts, but have to grind the heads a little thinner to fit the slots. I am mounting my mill vise to it to clamp my jig into. I will indicate the table square with the drill chuck so it cuts straight to the X axis. I will post a pic or 2 when I get it finished setting up.

I had to edit the link, as it was to my buy. I put link to the item.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=361021523229

Link Posted: 8/24/2014 8:18:11 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/24/2014 8:22:11 AM EDT
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almost 40 lbs. But bottom line is it was still cheaper ($122) total than $119 + $35 shipping. ($155) You figure it out, lol.
Link Posted: 8/24/2014 9:09:52 PM EDT
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Do most flutes have machining speeds listed on the packaging? Some websites don't list the speed.
Link Posted: 8/25/2014 4:26:39 AM EDT
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I've bought some from Grizzly, McMaster, drillsandcutters.com, amazon and ebay.  Of course I have several that came in the package with my mini-mill from LMS.  
Link Posted: 8/25/2014 6:59:39 PM EDT
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I used a 3 flute rough cut end mill from McMaster Carr for the bulk of my cutting and it is awesome! Highly recommended.
Link Posted: 8/25/2014 8:13:48 PM EDT
[#20]
What if any cutting fluid for aluminum?
Link Posted: 8/25/2014 9:39:24 PM EDT
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The old standby is WD-40....
If you buy in bulk... Add a little ATF to it....

Ca_Longshot

Just my $.02.. on the matter of EM for Aluminum...
yes you can get longer life from Carbide... and they can take a fair amount of abuse..
But I use HS EM 2 flute. They are sharper than Carbide. Will cut very clean and take less pressure to do it's job!!
Finish is Superb!!

Link Posted: 8/27/2014 7:59:59 PM EDT
[#22]
It can be done with DP. I have done it.
Link Posted: 8/30/2014 8:44:03 AM EDT
[#23]
I got my X-Y table set up and dialed in.


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