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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:05:28 PM EDT
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That would look really cool with a rust blue finish.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:10:30 PM EDT
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Looks like a lot of work. Great job!
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:12:56 PM EDT
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Looks like a lot of work. Great job! It is alot of work but Its alot of fun. Some people use a tig and still use end mills and other tools. I used a mig welder, had files, an air cut off tool and a hand grinder for the majority of the work. Mine is a little more complicated to due to the bolt catch mod and cutting the magwell sides. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:16:24 PM EDT
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I'd like to do one someday. Not sure I can in New Germany (NJ) though. I too only have a mig welder, air grinders/disc sanders and other automotive tools.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:24:21 PM EDT
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I'd like to do one someday. Not sure I can in New Germany (NJ) though. I too only have a mig welder, air grinders/disc sanders and other automotive tools. Auto tools are all I used. The only tools i bought for this was a cheap set of files. idk about the new jersey think though. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:25:35 PM EDT
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Well done! Did you take the front mag well plate & put it on top of the mag well?
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:35:50 PM EDT
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Well done! Did you take the front mag well plate & put it on top of the mag well? No, I cut the front plate down and welded part of it in. My plan is to make a floor and weld it in so that i can lay a round in and close the bolt but I haven't got that far yet. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:12:02 PM EDT
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You could weld one of these in place, remove the spring, and JB Weld the follower to the front slider...
http://www.cammenga.com/223-20-Round-Magazine-p/em2-556.htm 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:18:10 PM EDT
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actually my brother-in-law brought me a bunch of steel mags. I am going to pick the roughest one and cut it up and weld part of it in. I think i have a plan on the follower part too.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 7:51:27 PM EDT
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Well I got my upper parts. 10.5" Barrel, A2 flash hider, low pro gas block, pistol length gas tube and vector 7" free float hand guard. All parts are from MAS Defense. I have had excellent luck with them and they ship extremely fast.
I put the upper together and installed my AIM surplus bcg and test ran the gun. works great. fires one round, auto ejects the case and locks the bolt back. I plan on taking the thing apart and adding the magwell floor and then onto finishing the lower. I most likely will powdercoat but i might use duracoat. I haven't decided. I have no problem painting the lower but for some reason I feel weird about painting the upper but this is my 4th ar and besides some flat dark earth on one, they are all black. I am thinking some kind of fall camo pattern. anyway just a couple pics for now. http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr190/ben_cook_07/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140719_122341793_zps2pmrm9b5.jpg http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr190/ben_cook_07/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140719_122346238_zpsobzvev8q.jpg |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:02:25 PM EDT
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That's an outstanding hunting arm.
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Posted: 7/20/2014 3:19:03 PM EDT
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I'm not sure of your local laws but do you need to install a pistol buffer tube so the "law" doesn't think you will put a stock on there and have an illegal short barrel rifle? Just a thought. Hate to see anyone in trouble for not covering your ass.
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Posted: 7/20/2014 5:06:47 PM EDT
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very nice
I really like the cut out magwell,looks slick  |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 5:12:37 PM EDT
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Great job! I've been watching these threads for ideas and work-arounds. Your final filled and ground receiver looks great. I've got one nearly finished and a couple spare kits on the shelf. My biggest obstacles are imprecise welds from my cheap machine and my inexperience welding. I haven't finished mine, work and travel, plus got focused on a 7.62 AR upper build. Here are two other threads on the same subject and different approaches.
Steel AR Flats Welded together a receiver |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 6:06:45 PM EDT
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I'm not sure of your local laws but do you need to install a pistol buffer tube so the "law" doesn't think you will put a stock on there and have an illegal short barrel rifle? Just a thought. Hate to see anyone in trouble for not covering your ass. BATFE doesn't require any specific buffer tube for a pistol - pistol tube, entry tube, carbine (commercial or mil-spec), or rifle tube, all are fine under Federal law. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 6:17:09 PM EDT
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BATFE doesn't require any specific buffer tube for a pistol - pistol tube, entry tube, carbine (commercial or mil-spec), or rifle tube, all are fine under Federal law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure of your local laws but do you need to install a pistol buffer tube so the "law" doesn't think you will put a stock on there and have an illegal short barrel rifle? Just a thought. Hate to see anyone in trouble for not covering your ass. BATFE doesn't require any specific buffer tube for a pistol - pistol tube, entry tube, carbine (commercial or mil-spec), or rifle tube, all are fine under Federal law. Thanks for the info...you learn something new everyday. Living behind enemy lines (NJ), we are on constant alert. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 6:29:31 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info...you learn something new everyday. Living behind enemy lines (NJ), we are on constant alert. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure of your local laws but do you need to install a pistol buffer tube so the "law" doesn't think you will put a stock on there and have an illegal short barrel rifle? Just a thought. Hate to see anyone in trouble for not covering your ass. BATFE doesn't require any specific buffer tube for a pistol - pistol tube, entry tube, carbine (commercial or mil-spec), or rifle tube, all are fine under Federal law. Thanks for the info...you learn something new everyday. Living behind enemy lines (NJ), we are on constant alert. Last I heard, you could own neutered ARs w/15 round magazines and couldn't effectively hunt deer. Has anything in NJ changed since Sandy Hook? |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 6:44:46 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info...you learn something new everyday. Living behind enemy lines (NJ), we are on constant alert. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure of your local laws but do you need to install a pistol buffer tube so the "law" doesn't think you will put a stock on there and have an illegal short barrel rifle? Just a thought. Hate to see anyone in trouble for not covering your ass. BATFE doesn't require any specific buffer tube for a pistol - pistol tube, entry tube, carbine (commercial or mil-spec), or rifle tube, all are fine under Federal law. Thanks for the info...you learn something new everyday. Living behind enemy lines (NJ), we are on constant alert. This is why I didn't worry about testing it with the carbine buffer. I also don't have any extra buttstocks so showing intent is a little harder, but either way I just ordered a pistol tube. My plan was to shave the carbine tube but for the price i just ordered a pistol tube. Getting ready for a little more cleanup and paint. I still have to figure that out. I really don't want another black gun so I have to figure out a color scheme. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 9:37:26 PM EDT
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Color case hardening FTW!
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Posted: 7/20/2014 10:33:13 PM EDT
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Very cool idea! I am from Illinois and can tell you I never thought of this.
To be honest bow hunting got to be just too time and money consuming, so it wasn't until moving to Kentucky that I started hunting again, but with a rifle. We have family land though and I've always wanted to go back, but now I'm just spoiled from rifle hunting. What kind of load are you going to run? Do you know if there were any bullets that put you over the case length limit? ETA Think you will try to run a Sig brace? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:31:16 PM EDT
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Very cool idea! I am from Illinois and can tell you I never thought of this. To be honest bow hunting got to be just too time and money consuming, so it wasn't until moving to Kentucky that I started hunting again, but with a rifle. We have family land though and I've always wanted to go back, but now I'm just spoiled from rifle hunting. What kind of load are you going to run? Do you know if there were any bullets that put you over the case length limit? ETA Think you will try to run a Sig brace? I get the sig brace question a lot and as of now its a no. For one this gun will attract plenty of attention on its own. I am well aware the sig brace is perfectly legal I just dont want the possible hassle it may bring. Also its not really in my budget at this time and I am more of a simplistic gun fan. The quad rail is actually a first for me on this gun. as for ammo, I have had a couple thoughts. Remington Hog Hammer Hornady 300 vmax Barnes Vortex These were a thought. It can not be FMJ for deer so that limits me a bit but no biggie |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 7:52:56 AM EDT
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Against my better judgement...
I LIKE IT!! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 8:22:00 AM EDT
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Mama said "Don't say anything if you can't say something nice"...well I respect your abilities to build that thing...there...I said something nice...but it is truly ugly. The stamps in the receiver are just pitiful. I suppose in a post apocalyptic world it would be awesome. The amount of cleanup required will be epic. As far as being cheap...blem lowers for $50 are rather inexpensive. It would take me $1000 in time to build one like that. Always enjoy watching someone build something from nothing. Waiting on the final product.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:27:10 AM EDT
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Mama said "Don't say anything if you can't say something nice"...well I respect your abilities to build that thing...there...I said something nice...but it is truly ugly. The stamps in the receiver are just pitiful. I suppose in a post apocalyptic world it would be awesome. The amount of cleanup required will be epic. As far as being cheap...blem lowers for $50 are rather inexpensive. It would take me $1000 in time to build one like that. Always enjoy watching someone build something from nothing. Waiting on the final product. With this project, the money in the lower whether it be in supplies, the kit or time is irrelevant. Its more about the satisfaction of the build. I know the stamps are rough. I plan some more clean up but I am not too worried about it being perfect as the whole idea is to hunt with it. It will see the field and get scratched and nicked so perfection is not required. on a side note, a $50 blem lower is not really useful in this situation as the whole idea was to make a dedicated single shot lower. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:53:28 AM EDT
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I guess the idea of building an off the books, single shot purpose built lower, for low dollar, escapes some people. A $50 blemishes lower will also cost shipping and transfer fees, so that $50 lower ends up costing around $90 & on top of that you have to do the paperwork. With this build, all the government knows is that you bought some steel.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:34:53 AM EDT
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With this project, the money in the lower whether it be in supplies, the kit or time is irrelevant. Its more about the satisfaction of the build. I know the stamps are rough. I plan some more clean up but I am not too worried about it being perfect as the whole idea is to hunt with it. It will see the field and get scratched and nicked so perfection is not required. on a side note, a $50 blem lower is not really useful in this situation as the whole idea was to make a dedicated single shot lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mama said "Don't say anything if you can't say something nice"...well I respect your abilities to build that thing...there...I said something nice...but it is truly ugly. The stamps in the receiver are just pitiful. I suppose in a post apocalyptic world it would be awesome. The amount of cleanup required will be epic. As far as being cheap...blem lowers for $50 are rather inexpensive. It would take me $1000 in time to build one like that. Always enjoy watching someone build something from nothing. Waiting on the final product. With this project, the money in the lower whether it be in supplies, the kit or time is irrelevant. Its more about the satisfaction of the build. I know the stamps are rough. I plan some more clean up but I am not too worried about it being perfect as the whole idea is to hunt with it. It will see the field and get scratched and nicked so perfection is not required. on a side note, a $50 blem lower is not really useful in this situation as the whole idea was to make a dedicated single shot lower. Don't worry - some people can't read. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 5:49:33 AM EDT
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Last I heard, you could own neutered ARs w/15 round magazines and couldn't effectively hunt deer. Has anything in NJ changed since Sandy Hook? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure of your local laws but do you need to install a pistol buffer tube so the "law" doesn't think you will put a stock on there and have an illegal short barrel rifle? Just a thought. Hate to see anyone in trouble for not covering your ass. BATFE doesn't require any specific buffer tube for a pistol - pistol tube, entry tube, carbine (commercial or mil-spec), or rifle tube, all are fine under Federal law. Thanks for the info...you learn something new everyday. Living behind enemy lines (NJ), we are on constant alert. Last I heard, you could own neutered ARs w/15 round magazines and couldn't effectively hunt deer. Has anything in NJ changed since Sandy Hook? There was a big push to go from 15 round magazines down to 10 but Governor Christie (maybe our next president but not sure I like that idea) vetoed the bill. As far as deer hunting, we are a pretty flat state so the use of rifles for hunting has always been illegal. Slug guns are the firearm of choice here. We take our rifles to Pennsylvania to hunt. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 7:44:53 AM EDT
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the weld engineer in me would change some of the butt, lap, and simple fillet joints to bevel and groove weld joints... then TIG it up. Not too sure if I would final machine it on a mill or not. As for finish... I'm a big fan of case coloring, but its hard to pull off at home without some pretty pricey equipment and controls (and experimentation, let along supporting your workpeice so it doesn't warp like crazy). either find a place close to you willing to do it for you, or do something else is my recommendation.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:22:44 PM EDT
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the weld engineer in me would change some of the butt, lap, and simple fillet joints to bevel and groove weld joints... then TIG it up. Not too sure if I would final machine it on a mill or not. As for finish... I'm a big fan of case coloring, but its hard to pull off at home without some pretty pricey equipment and controls (and experimentation, let along supporting your workpeice so it doesn't warp like crazy). either find a place close to you willing to do it for you, or do something else is my recommendation. some of the welds in major areas are bevel and groove. Its not structural steel welding so i figure the butt welds are okay in most cases. My mig was getting some decent penetration where needed. What final machining are you talking about? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:00:44 PM EDT
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just to get machined flats, radii, and really you could do anything you really wanted to at that point as far as details, design, etc. with bevel welds ground flat you can get very tight corners also.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:08:18 PM EDT
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just to get machined flats, radii, and really you could do anything you really wanted to at that point as far as details, design, etc. with bevel welds ground flat you can get very tight corners also. They're $25 + $6 flat shipping. Why don't you get one or two and show us what you're talking about? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:20:36 AM EDT
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sounds like a plan... i could use another lower anyways, though I would bet its a bit heavier than I really wanted, LOL.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:34:09 AM EDT
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sounds like a plan... i could use another lower anyways, though I would bet its a bit heavier than I really wanted, LOL. http://www.theflatspot.net/ar-15-receiver-flat.html |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:06:29 AM EDT
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Finished mine last night. Turned out pretty good IMHO. Final weight = 1 lb. 5 oz stripped with finish applied.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:24:30 AM EDT
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I guess the idea of building an off the books, single shot purpose built lower, for low dollar, escapes some people. A $50 blemishes lower will also cost shipping and transfer fees, so that $50 lower ends up costing around $90 & on top of that you have to do the paperwork. With this build, all the government knows is that you bought some steel. If it's a single shot, or even manually operated, do you need the buffer tube at all? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:32:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's a single shot, or even manually operated, do you need the buffer tube at all? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess the idea of building an off the books, single shot purpose built lower, for low dollar, escapes some people. A $50 blemishes lower will also cost shipping and transfer fees, so that $50 lower ends up costing around $90 & on top of that you have to do the paperwork. With this build, all the government knows is that you bought some steel. If it's a single shot, or even manually operated, do you need the buffer tube at all? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:51:04 AM EDT
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You're going to need the room to retract the BCG to extract the spent round and chamber a new one... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess the idea of building an off the books, single shot purpose built lower, for low dollar, escapes some people. A $50 blemishes lower will also cost shipping and transfer fees, so that $50 lower ends up costing around $90 & on top of that you have to do the paperwork. With this build, all the government knows is that you bought some steel. If it's a single shot, or even manually operated, do you need the buffer tube at all? But why do you need the tube itself? Just let the BC slide out of the back of the receiver similar to a lever action. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:49:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But why do you need the tube itself? Just let the BC slide out of the back of the receiver similar to a lever action. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guess the idea of building an off the books, single shot purpose built lower, for low dollar, escapes some people. A $50 blemishes lower will also cost shipping and transfer fees, so that $50 lower ends up costing around $90 & on top of that you have to do the paperwork. With this build, all the government knows is that you bought some steel. If it's a single shot, or even manually operated, do you need the buffer tube at all? But why do you need the tube itself? Just let the BC slide out of the back of the receiver similar to a lever action.  |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:25:00 PM EDT
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But why do you need the tube itself? Just let the BC slide out of the back of the receiver similar to a lever action. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess the idea of building an off the books, single shot purpose built lower, for low dollar, escapes some people. A $50 blemishes lower will also cost shipping and transfer fees, so that $50 lower ends up costing around $90 & on top of that you have to do the paperwork. With this build, all the government knows is that you bought some steel. If it's a single shot, or even manually operated, do you need the buffer tube at all? But why do you need the tube itself? Just let the BC slide out of the back of the receiver similar to a lever action. Got a point there. It won't slide out all the way unless the receivers are open, but without the buffer spring to slow it down, it may crack the upper receiver by banging the gas key into it, since the OP is running it as an auto-eject single shot. If he wasn't using gas to auto-eject, you could do w/out the buffer tube. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:02:48 PM EDT
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Can't wait to see the finished project it is looking very cool and different
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:10:10 PM EDT
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Can't you just remove the gas tube from a standard AR pistol chambered in 300 blackout and call it good? No gas tube = single shot pistol.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:30:48 PM EDT
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Can't you just remove the gas tube from a standard AR pistol chambered in 300 blackout and call it good? No gas tube = single shot pistol. I could have...but that seemed boring 
My goal is to eventually build another semi auto pistol lower so when its not being used to hunt, i can swap it to semi auto. I liked the idea of a normal functioning upper that way if i ever decide to get rid of it, the upper is complete. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:36:18 PM EDT
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I could have...but that seemed boring
My goal is to eventually build another semi auto pistol lower so when its not being used to hunt, i can swap it to semi auto. I liked the idea of a normal functioning upper that way if i ever decide to get rid of it, the upper is complete. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't you just remove the gas tube from a standard AR pistol chambered in 300 blackout and call it good? No gas tube = single shot pistol. I could have...but that seemed boring
My goal is to eventually build another semi auto pistol lower so when its not being used to hunt, i can swap it to semi auto. I liked the idea of a normal functioning upper that way if i ever decide to get rid of it, the upper is complete. I understand, just asking as I am moving to Illinois in the next month and I think I will try to hunt with 300 black as well. Nice work by the way 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:36:36 PM EDT
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This is awesome! I've been wanting a Sterling SMG semi-auto, original barrel, in pistol config (ie, welded/inned stock ala those PPS's floating around). This build, to me, resembles that Sterling quite a bit. Though I'd prefer a cleaner handguard w/o all the rails attached.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:45:50 AM EDT
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Got a point there. It won't slide out all the way unless the receivers are open, but without the buffer spring to slow it down, it may crack the upper receiver by banging the gas key into it, since the OP is running it as an auto-eject single shot. If he wasn't using gas to auto-eject, you could do w/out the buffer tube. Got it - I was missing the auto eject part. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:38:55 PM EDT
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First lesson learned today: A Mil Issue steel mag does NOT weld very easy. Now I just feel bad about cutting up a 30rd mag for nothing. I decided to go another way. I took a piece of scrap 1" square tubing and cut it up. I bent the top side in and used the mig and a grinder to build up the sides. Its not perfect but I can lay a round on it and let the bolt slam shut and it chambers. I also welded up the mag button hole and cleaned up the mag catch area better.
I kept going around trying to decide how much to clean up the lower. I finally decided that this is going to be a beat around deer gun not a safe queen. I sandblasted the lower and I am going to be ordering a finishing system as soon as I figure that out. Just a few pics for today. http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr190/ben_cook_07/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140725_202101214_zps96muduc5.jpg http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr190/ben_cook_07/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140725_202019936_zpszze61koy.jpg http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr190/ben_cook_07/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140725_201932608_zpselxmjibl.jpg http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr190/ben_cook_07/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140725_201941528_zpsic4fhdy2.jpg And I picked up a cheap red dot. Im not sure how much I really like it but only time will tell. http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr190/ben_cook_07/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140725_201947986_zps53gng1fh.jpg |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:06:43 PM EDT
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the weld engineer in me would change some of the butt, lap, and simple fillet joints to bevel and groove weld joints... then TIG it up. Not too sure if I would final machine it on a mill or not. As for finish... I'm a big fan of case coloring, but its hard to pull off at home without some pretty pricey equipment and controls (and experimentation, let along supporting your workpeice so it doesn't warp like crazy). either find a place close to you willing to do it for you, or do something else is my recommendation. I have a book from the 1800s on gunsmithing. Case coloring instructions are to polish the part as well as you can, then put it in a piece of pipe filled with bone meal & drop it in the fire until you are satisfied with the color. It says the better the polish, the better the color. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:08:22 PM EDT
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First lesson learned today: A Mil Issue steel mag does NOT weld very easy. Now I just feel bad about cutting up a 30rd mag for nothing. I decided to go another way. I took a piece of scrap 1" square tubing and cut it up. I bent the top side in and used the mig and a grinder to build up the sides. Its not perfect but I can lay a round on it and let the bolt slam shut and it chambers. I also welded up the mag button hole and cleaned up the mag catch area better. I kept going around trying to decide how much to clean up the lower. I finally decided that this is going to be a beat around deer gun not a safe queen. I sandblasted the lower and I am going to be ordering a finishing system as soon as I figure that out. Looking good. A military issued STEEL magazine? There's plenty of steel mags out there, but I'm not sure they were military issue. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 5:39:39 AM EDT
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Maybe I screwed up. The mag I cut was one my brother in law brought back after he was discharged from the army. He sold me a couple mags. I assumed they were steel.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:41:07 AM EDT
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Maybe I screwed up. The mag I cut was one my brother in law brought back after he was discharged from the army. He sold me a couple mags. I assumed they were steel. USGI mags are aluminum. Might be why they don't weld so good.
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