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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:00:36 AM EDT
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http://www.slr15rifles.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/armorerclassswatjan2011.pdf
Get hold of Greg Sullivan, he's a great instructor. Gregs schedule |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 12:14:22 PM EDT
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Looks like an excellent resource for a number of things. Five year cert and the fact that one of his open courses isnt that far makes it a real possibility in my near future. Thanks!
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Posted: 4/7/2014 12:29:37 PM EDT
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Ive done the Colt course a couple times when my job required a factory cert.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:16:55 PM EDT
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Ive done the Colt course a couple times when my job required a factory cert. I took Greg's course to satisfy my company's job requirements. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:29:46 PM EDT
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Greg was in one of the Pat Rogers courses I took, good guy I have no doubt that he can teach you what you need to know. But sometimes the only acceptable factory cert is Colt. On the other hand I don't think that the Sully courses required the DoD/LE affiliation that Colt does.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:39:21 PM EDT
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I took an armorer's course last fall, and it was OK. There was not much in there you would not pick up on this board, after filtering out all the BS.
It did reinforce that some guys on this board know what they are talking about, but filtering that through all the BS is hard to do. One of the eye opening experiences was looking over guy's factory rifles they brought in for a tech inspection. Gotta wonder what some of those small shops are thinking - putting locktite on a loose unstaked castlenut, allowing the receiver extension space to unthread.... Stuff like that is not reserved for noob builders. Poorly staked carrier keys with Chinese YFS marked screws were very common. I had to take issue with the guy teaching the course. He laughed at the "One M16 part makes it a machinegun" idea. That was not a joke 10-15 years ago, before the internet put paid to this idea.... He knew next to nothing about building ARs as he was little more than an informed parts assembler. I went to the course with an eye to barrel making and parts making. I was going to get into the 80% receiver game in 2000-2001, and I wanted a better in depth view of the manufacturing angle. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:53:26 PM EDT
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I took an armorer's course last fall, and it was OK. There was not much in there you would not pick up on this board, after filtering out all the BS. It did reinforce that some guys on this board know what they are talking about, but filtering that through all the BS is hard to do. One of the eye opening experiences was looking over guy's factory rifles they brought in for a tech inspection. Gotta wonder what some of those small shops are thinking - putting locktite on a loose unstaked castlenut, allowing the receiver extension space to unthread.... Stuff like that is not reserved for noob builders. Poorly staked carrier keys with Chinese YFS marked screws were very common. I had to take issue with the guy teaching the course. He laughed at the "One M16 part makes it a machinegun" idea. That was not a joke 10-15 years ago, before the internet put paid to this idea.... He knew next to nothing about building ARs as he was little more than an informed parts assembler. I went to the course with an eye to barrel making and parts making. I was going to get into the 80% receiver game in 2000-2001, and I wanted a better in depth view of the manufacturing angle. Roger that. Thats the point of this post. I want to find out whats out there as far as instruction and the quality of that instruction. The scope of the course does not need to be machining or expert gunsmithing. Not yet anyway. 
Thanks, all! |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 4:19:07 PM EDT
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I actually took one here in CT two weekends ago. It was informative even though I've been playing with these things for going on 15 years now. If you can learn just a few new things I'd say it's worth it. You can learn some of the more intricate tricks of building and working on the platform.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 5:19:37 PM EDT
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Defensive Edge, Greg Sullivan's outfit. He's good at teaching, he knows his stuff, and yes, it can be worth your time.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 5:26:15 PM EDT
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He knew next to nothing about building ARs as he was little more than an informed parts assembler. I went to the course with an eye to barrel making and parts making. I was going to get into the 80% receiver game in 2000-2001, and I wanted a better in depth view of the manufacturing angle. That's what an armorer is. Barrel and parts making is gunsmithing, which requires machining knowledge and it's own education. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 5:29:44 PM EDT
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Greg was in one of the Pat Rogers courses I took, good guy I have no doubt that he can teach you what you need to know. But sometimes the only acceptable factory cert is Colt. On the other hand I don't think that the Sully courses required the DoD/LE affiliation that Colt does. I've taken Sully's basic and advanced, Colt's course, and SAW's advanced. Sully's course is definitely good to go from a course content point of view. (I understand that some departments might dictate it be the Colt course if they bought Colt rifles....but there's no other reason to worry about it.) |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:24:01 AM EDT
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Anybody take one? Is it practical/ worth it for someone who is thinking about modding AR15s as a sideline?? Thinking seriously about going beyond tinkering and I figure it would be a good place to start. Opinions and experiences needed. Thanks in advance! I see that you are in Georgia. We have 2 open enrollment courses coming up in Gadsen, Alabama in July. Otherwise everything we have on the calendar for the next few months is the southeast is restricted to Law Enforcement & Military. For the Law Enforcement folks if they are wondering, we are POST Board Approved in MN, MO, TX, OK, WY, CO, KS, WI, ND, FL, NC, SC, VA, PA, NY, IA, NJ, VT, CT, MA, TN, OH, MI, AL, LA, AR, IA, MD, GA, and a few others that don't come to mind at the moment. We also train personnel from numerous Federal Agencies, Military/DOD on a regular basis, and are happy to submit whatever documentation is necessary to meet their continuing education needs. Not all armorer courses are the same. Our view of teaching our standard AR-15/M-16/M-4 Armorer Course, is that an Armorer should have a full working knowledge on everything on the rifle that they may come across. They should understand the cycles of operation in their fullest, be able to diagnose cycling issues, understand timing and be able to work with timing, etc. An Armorer should be able to diagnose malfunctioning weapons, inspect & gauge everything for wear and erosion, inspect to make sure all parts are good to start with (yes we see bad factory parts). An Armorer should be able to inspect for stress on parts and replace or readjust things to keep the rifle in top working order before something malfunctions or breaks. An Armorer should be able to disassemble and reassemble the entire rifle, to include rebarreling with proper indexing, repair and replace bolt carrier keys and deal with any issues pertaining to such, deal with issues of bent or warped parts, etc. Armorers should have knowledge of single stage triggers, two stage triggers, full auto and burst trigger systems & conversions, different after market trigger systems and pin sizes, good quality triggers vs not so good, differences in battle vs competition components (how, when or why these are used or not used), etc. Armorers should be able to diagnose issues where someone has done something to the rifle they shouldn't have like take a dremel to parts, or use the wrong combination of parts, etc. Lastly an Armorer should be able to inspect & gauge everything on the rifle, and make any adjustments or modifications necessary to make sure it is within spec and top working order. A couple of course reviews on our standard AR-15/M-16/M-4 Armorer Courses are here: AAR SLR15 AR-15 / M-16 / M-4 Armorer Course, Big Lake MN AAR SLR15 AR-15 / M-16 / M-4 Armorer Course, New Britain CT AAR SLR15 AR-15 / M-16 / M-4 Armorer Course, Lafayette LA We also offer our Advanced AR-15/M-16/M-4 Armorer Course. These reviews will give you an idea of what this course entails: AAR SLR15 Advanced AR-15 / M-16 / M-4 Armorer Course, Mauston WI AAR SLR15 Advanced AR-15 / M-16 / M-4 Armorer Course, Hutchinson KS AAR SLR15 Advanced AR-15 / M-16 / M-4 Armorer Course, Douglas WY If we can be of assistance, or answer any questions, please let us know. CY6 Greg Sullivan "Sully" SLR15 Rifles TheDefensiveEdge.com (763) 712-0123 |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:51:53 PM EDT
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I been to a couple of Armorer courses I have found from off this site. SLR course is very thorough and a very good class to go to. The other class I went to was more of an AR familiarization class it was local to me. I was quite frustrated with it after having taken Sully's. I looked at a class offered by a competitive board Mod. That class was priced about the same and SLR, Lasted about the same length of time and at the end the fine print says BRING THIS BRING THAT. They require you to have your own armorer kit before you ever go to class. That was the deal right there. Greg brings it all. The man brings in stand up vises mounted on wheels and pipe. This is the best bargain class I have seen advertised for open enrollment, civilian available classes. Money well spent. Just thought I would share the comparisons I have found which were non comparisons.
I have looked at and will not hesitate to attend more of SLR educational classes in the future.
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