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I believe that UTG, and the word PRO, are a contradiction in terms!
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Said the man who has used the rail in question and had it fail? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anything UTG or NCStar is crap. Said the man who has used the rail in question and had it fail? Says the man who has used numerous items from both companies and had them fail. Notice most of the posters here extolling the virtues have low post counts? That says something. Now if they have a new PRO line that actually is made in the US, has quality controls, and is halfway decent, then good for them. But they should ditch the UTG name, as its an anchor that will turn off most serious, or educated, users. |
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Says the man who has used numerous items from both companies and had them fail. Notice most of the posters here extolling the virtues have low post counts? That says something. Now if they have a new PRO line that actually is made in the US, has quality controls, and is halfway decent, then good for them. But they should ditch the UTG name, as its an anchor that will turn off most serious, or educated, users. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anything UTG or NCStar is crap. Said the man who has used the rail in question and had it fail? Says the man who has used numerous items from both companies and had them fail. Notice most of the posters here extolling the virtues have low post counts? That says something. Now if they have a new PRO line that actually is made in the US, has quality controls, and is halfway decent, then good for them. But they should ditch the UTG name, as its an anchor that will turn off most serious, or educated, users. Right. I guess being a Team Member since 2002 makes me a fucking newb. Unless you have direct experience with the rail in question, maybe there's a thread in GD that could use your Tier 1 insights. |
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Right. I guess being a Team Member since 2002 makes me a fucking newb. Unless you have direct experience with the rail in question, maybe there's a thread in GD that could use your Tier 1 insights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anything UTG or NCStar is crap. Said the man who has used the rail in question and had it fail? Says the man who has used numerous items from both companies and had them fail. Notice most of the posters here extolling the virtues have low post counts? That says something. Now if they have a new PRO line that actually is made in the US, has quality controls, and is halfway decent, then good for them. But they should ditch the UTG name, as its an anchor that will turn off most serious, or educated, users. Right. I guess being a Team Member since 2002 makes me a fucking newb. Unless you have direct experience with the rail in question, maybe there's a thread in GD that could use your Tier 1 insights. |
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Right. I guess being a Team Member since 2002 makes me a fucking newb. Unless you have direct experience with the rail in question, maybe there's a thread in GD that could use your Tier 1 insights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anything UTG or NCStar is crap. Said the man who has used the rail in question and had it fail? Says the man who has used numerous items from both companies and had them fail. Notice most of the posters here extolling the virtues have low post counts? That says something. Now if they have a new PRO line that actually is made in the US, has quality controls, and is halfway decent, then good for them. But they should ditch the UTG name, as its an anchor that will turn off most serious, or educated, users. Right. I guess being a Team Member since 2002 makes me a fucking newb. Unless you have direct experience with the rail in question, maybe there's a thread in GD that could use your Tier 1 insights. Well put , I'll say it again I think my UTG Super Slims are better designed then my MI Gen2 SS-Series |
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Mounted the UTG Pro 9" rail on my custom basic budget build. Works fine. Ringing 9" steel gong off hand standing with MBUS sights and handloads at 100 yards with no problem.
Works fine, good design and rock solid. I am proud to descend to UTG cuz it works. Made in USA for sure. Great value for the price. Money well spent. I am now out of the AR snob club for sure. It's a redneck AR that works. Boss Hog is envious. The Duke boys invited me to go shooting with them even though I have a low post count cuz they liked my setup. I took the money I saved on this rail in lieu of a Tier 1 job and bought primers and powder. Just hope my cheap non-chromed barrel holds up. Oh wait, my Marlin 336 from old times has no chrome lining and seems to shoot fine. Glad it is a free country on how to spend money except for the part where the NSA looks at each transaction, but we can overlook that. |
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... Notice most of the posters here extolling the virtues have low post counts? That says something. ... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
... Notice most of the posters here extolling the virtues have low post counts? That says something. ... That not everyone feels the need to have their lips flap incessantly? Quoted:
... Now if they have a new PRO line that actually is made in the US, has quality controls, and is halfway decent, then good for them. ... For at least a year they have had a new Pro line made in the US, and every first hand report I have heard and read says the products have good quality and are more than half way decent. But then I rarely feel the urge to flap my lips. |
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Anyone know if they offer the 2rail pieces if you need more than the 3 that come with it?
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I'll be at the SHOT Show in two weeks, and I'm going to stroll up to the Leapers booth and tell them, "We need a 15" Super Slim rail."
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So please tell us your first hand experience with the handguard in question ? The only thing wrong with the UTG Pro Super Slim handguard line is the lack of a 15" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I believe that UTG, and the word PRO, are a contradiction in terms! So please tell us your first hand experience with the handguard in question ? The only thing wrong with the UTG Pro Super Slim handguard line is the lack of a 15" Sorry bud I use APEX hand guards. Damn they have a 15 too. In my many years in the AR world one knows what companies and products have a good rep., and which ones don't. UTG isn't in the beat category. Kind of like what Hessie is to the AK world. |
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Sorry bud I use APEX hand guards. Damn they have a 15 too. In my many years in the AR world one knows what companies and products have a good rep., and which ones don't. UTG isn't in the beat category. Kind of like what Hessie is to the AK world. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I believe that UTG, and the word PRO, are a contradiction in terms! So please tell us your first hand experience with the handguard in question ? The only thing wrong with the UTG Pro Super Slim handguard line is the lack of a 15" Sorry bud I use APEX hand guards. Damn they have a 15 too. In my many years in the AR world one knows what companies and products have a good rep., and which ones don't. UTG isn't in the beat category. Kind of like what Hessie is to the AK world. UTG is made in China. UTG Pro is made in the USA, specifically in Michigan. Please keep up. |
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Anyone install one of these rails on thicker receivers like a side charge billet or a dpms lo pro.
Will it fit. Do they stand by their product if any problems arise. |
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I have to say, I am actually impressed with how UTG has improved in their workmanship with their Pro line.
I bought their Carbine length Slim Rails for a Beater build, I was kind of stupefied, It was actually good enough IMO for an M4gery build. (If they were Quad Rails). The only defects I found were slight inconsistencies with the upper lip of the contact surface, not straight. |
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Emailed them about the additional 2rail sections, here is the response.
Thank you for contacting Leapers regarding your interest in purchasing additional rail sections for your MTU004SS rail. In the past few months we have received many requests to purchase additional rail sections. Our design and marketing groups have listened to our customers and they have started the process to make available these additional rail sections. I have been informed that the timetable for getting the new offering out to the dealers should happen sometime in next month or so. Please watch for the introduction of the product on our website at www.leapers.com and click on the new products tab. When the product is listed in this section it will be available to our dealers and distributors. |
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I don't have any experience with UTG pro but if they are as good as people are saying I think they should drop the UTG name all together for the pro line. When I hear UTG I automatically think "cheap air soft junk". The rails in question look pretty nice, and I would rather buy UTG than support the company who's rails look quite similar to these.
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One of our AR15.com members had a posted/pictured in the past (probably in archives now) his company was a vendor for a machine shop in Ohio, and where doing the machine work UTG rails (they were outsourcing to them).
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Sent them an email in regards to the 15" UTG Pro Slim handguard as well. Here is the reply:
15” rails are still under development and will be available in around 5 to 6 months. Thanks. |
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Anyone install one of these rails on thicker receivers like a side charge billet or a dpms lo pro. Will it fit. Do they stand by their product if any problems arise. View Quote I think I saw a youtube video of a guy installing one on a billet upper. He had to dremel off the 1/2" portion of the rail that extends back over the receiver. or maybe it was a left handed gun. either way, there is a way to skin the cat. |
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Mine feels pretty solid, but does anyone get any flex if you push the muzzle end of the tube inward towards the barrel? Is that common for most free float tubes? I have checked and rechecked the barrel nut, and even torqued it to around 50 ft lbs just to be sure it was solid, but I still get a tiny bit of flex up front on the tube itself. It's very slight.
This is a 13 inch tube on a 16 inch barrel with a low profile gas block. Just curious. |
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Mine feels pretty solid, but does anyone get any flex if you push the muzzle end of the tube inward towards the barrel? Is that common for most free float tubes? I have checked and rechecked the barrel nut, and even torqued it to around 50 ft lbs just to be sure it was solid, but I still get a tiny bit of flex up front on the tube itself. It's very slight. This is a 13 inch tube on a 16 inch barrel with a low profile gas block. Just curious. View Quote I don't have a PRO but my Fortis REV is rock solid and doesn't move at all. Free floated rails aren't supposed to move around, they should lock up tight. |
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Mine feels pretty solid, but does anyone get any flex if you push the muzzle end of the tube inward towards the barrel? Is that common for most free float tubes? I have checked and rechecked the barrel nut, and even torqued it to around 50 ft lbs just to be sure it was solid, but I still get a tiny bit of flex up front on the tube itself. It's very slight. This is a 13 inch tube on a 16 inch barrel with a low profile gas block. Just curious. View Quote No. |
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Did you use the spacers on your install?
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Mine feels pretty solid, but does anyone get any flex if you push the muzzle end of the tube inward towards the barrel? Is that common for most free float tubes? I have checked and rechecked the barrel nut, and even torqued it to around 50 ft lbs just to be sure it was solid, but I still get a tiny bit of flex up front on the tube itself. It's very slight. This is a 13 inch tube on a 16 inch barrel with a low profile gas block. Just curious. No. |
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No I did not use the spacers since all of the holes in the locking ring aligned with the rail every time. The rail is pretty solid, but with some pressure it seems to flex at the very end like I said. I'll have to examine it a bit more and see if I did something wrong.
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I installed a 9" SS pro on a 22lr AR a couple weeks ago. My only problem is I should have bought a longer one as the front sight is too close to and I'm having a hard time focusing on it. My fault totally as I knew my eye sight is bad. Very easy install and seems to good quality. Price is killer for what you get. I've used MI, DD and YHM FF tubes in the past and this unit has to be the easiest install of the all. I'll be buying two or three more as soon as someone runs another sale on them.
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Mine feels pretty solid, but does anyone get any flex if you push the muzzle end of the tube inward towards the barrel? Is that common for most free float tubes? I have checked and rechecked the barrel nut, and even torqued it to around 50 ft lbs just to be sure it was solid, but I still get a tiny bit of flex up front on the tube itself. It's very slight. This is a 13 inch tube on a 16 inch barrel with a low profile gas block. Just curious. View Quote Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU[/youtube] They basically told me it's the nature of the "free float" that allows the barrel to move independent of the hand guard a little. The very slight misalignment was also stated as being acceptable, since I can adjust the rear sights to accommodate. In my case, I'll be switching out my gas block with a railed gas block, so then the alignment, and the adherence of the front sight to the barrel won't become dependent on the hand guard anyway. The side-to-side sway seems to be normal considering the thickness of the material. The UTG quad rail seems to be a lot more "sturdy" in terms of minimizing sway since it has a lot more material (and weight). For my purposes, it's good enough since I won't be relying on it for my front sights. Google: Free Float Hand Guard Flex (it seems to be pretty standard) http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?73401-Free-float-rail-flex Also, check out this video from Daniel Defense. You'll see the barrel "flex" http://youtu.be/5hKaPkvOtEo?t=1m39s Here's another video that more shows the vibrations of the barrel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xr_RG_lcNk |
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Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU They basically told me it's the nature of the "free float" that allows the barrel to move independent of the hand guard a little. The very slight misalignment was also stated as being acceptable, since I can adjust the rear sights to accommodate. In my case, I'll be switching out my gas block with a railed gas block, so then the alignment, and the adherence of the front sight to the barrel won't become dependent on the hand guard anyway. The side-to-side sway seems to be normal considering the thickness of the material. The UTG quad rail seems to be a lot more "sturdy" in terms of minimizing sway since it has a lot more material (and weight). For my purposes, it's good enough since I won't be relying on it for my front sights. Google: Free Float Hand Guard Flex (it seems to be pretty standard) http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?73401-Free-float-rail-flex Also, check out this video from Daniel Defense. You'll see the barrel "flex" http://youtu.be/5hKaPkvOtEo?t=1m39s Here's another video that more shows the vibrations of the barrel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xr_RG_lcNk View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mine feels pretty solid, but does anyone get any flex if you push the muzzle end of the tube inward towards the barrel? Is that common for most free float tubes? I have checked and rechecked the barrel nut, and even torqued it to around 50 ft lbs just to be sure it was solid, but I still get a tiny bit of flex up front on the tube itself. It's very slight. This is a 13 inch tube on a 16 inch barrel with a low profile gas block. Just curious. Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU They basically told me it's the nature of the "free float" that allows the barrel to move independent of the hand guard a little. The very slight misalignment was also stated as being acceptable, since I can adjust the rear sights to accommodate. In my case, I'll be switching out my gas block with a railed gas block, so then the alignment, and the adherence of the front sight to the barrel won't become dependent on the hand guard anyway. The side-to-side sway seems to be normal considering the thickness of the material. The UTG quad rail seems to be a lot more "sturdy" in terms of minimizing sway since it has a lot more material (and weight). For my purposes, it's good enough since I won't be relying on it for my front sights. Google: Free Float Hand Guard Flex (it seems to be pretty standard) http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?73401-Free-float-rail-flex Also, check out this video from Daniel Defense. You'll see the barrel "flex" http://youtu.be/5hKaPkvOtEo?t=1m39s Here's another video that more shows the vibrations of the barrel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xr_RG_lcNk Thank you very much for the information, and video. Your video shows exactly what I am talking about. This is the exact same thing mine does with some pressure on it. |
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Thank you very much for the information, and video. Your video shows exactly what I am talking about. This is the exact same thing mine does with some pressure on it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mine feels pretty solid, but does anyone get any flex if you push the muzzle end of the tube inward towards the barrel? Is that common for most free float tubes? I have checked and rechecked the barrel nut, and even torqued it to around 50 ft lbs just to be sure it was solid, but I still get a tiny bit of flex up front on the tube itself. It's very slight. This is a 13 inch tube on a 16 inch barrel with a low profile gas block. Just curious. Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU They basically told me it's the nature of the "free float" that allows the barrel to move independent of the hand guard a little. The very slight misalignment was also stated as being acceptable, since I can adjust the rear sights to accommodate. In my case, I'll be switching out my gas block with a railed gas block, so then the alignment, and the adherence of the front sight to the barrel won't become dependent on the hand guard anyway. The side-to-side sway seems to be normal considering the thickness of the material. The UTG quad rail seems to be a lot more "sturdy" in terms of minimizing sway since it has a lot more material (and weight). For my purposes, it's good enough since I won't be relying on it for my front sights. Google: Free Float Hand Guard Flex (it seems to be pretty standard) http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?73401-Free-float-rail-flex Also, check out this video from Daniel Defense. You'll see the barrel "flex" http://youtu.be/5hKaPkvOtEo?t=1m39s Here's another video that more shows the vibrations of the barrel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xr_RG_lcNk Thank you very much for the information, and video. Your video shows exactly what I am talking about. This is the exact same thing mine does with some pressure on it. I will double check when I get home but mine doesn't do that. Although, I think I torqued the hell out of the barrel nut. The rail is solid- rigid and firm. I have enough clearance for barrel flex even though its looks close in such a narrow rail. I heard no audible pinging noise nor felt excessive vibrations the few times I shot it; so I assume its not hitting the rail. Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the barrel? |
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I will double check when I get home but mine doesn't do that. Although, I think I torqued the hell out of the barrel nut. The rail is solid- rigid and firm. I have enough clearance for barrel flex even though its looks close in such a narrow rail. I heard no audible pinging noise nor felt excessive vibrations the few times I shot it; so I assume its not hitting the rail. Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the barrel? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mine feels pretty solid, but does anyone get any flex if you push the muzzle end of the tube inward towards the barrel? Is that common for most free float tubes? I have checked and rechecked the barrel nut, and even torqued it to around 50 ft lbs just to be sure it was solid, but I still get a tiny bit of flex up front on the tube itself. It's very slight. This is a 13 inch tube on a 16 inch barrel with a low profile gas block. Just curious. Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU They basically told me it's the nature of the "free float" that allows the barrel to move independent of the hand guard a little. The very slight misalignment was also stated as being acceptable, since I can adjust the rear sights to accommodate. In my case, I'll be switching out my gas block with a railed gas block, so then the alignment, and the adherence of the front sight to the barrel won't become dependent on the hand guard anyway. The side-to-side sway seems to be normal considering the thickness of the material. The UTG quad rail seems to be a lot more "sturdy" in terms of minimizing sway since it has a lot more material (and weight). For my purposes, it's good enough since I won't be relying on it for my front sights. Google: Free Float Hand Guard Flex (it seems to be pretty standard) http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?73401-Free-float-rail-flex Also, check out this video from Daniel Defense. You'll see the barrel "flex" http://youtu.be/5hKaPkvOtEo?t=1m39s Here's another video that more shows the vibrations of the barrel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xr_RG_lcNk Thank you very much for the information, and video. Your video shows exactly what I am talking about. This is the exact same thing mine does with some pressure on it. I will double check when I get home but mine doesn't do that. Although, I think I torqued the hell out of the barrel nut. The rail is solid- rigid and firm. I have enough clearance for barrel flex even though its looks close in such a narrow rail. I heard no audible pinging noise nor felt excessive vibrations the few times I shot it; so I assume its not hitting the rail. Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the barrel? My VTAC Alpha 13" rail will do that as well and its properly installed. It's thin aluminum and with a basically a 13" fulcrum, they will flex if pushed hard enough |
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That's what I was thinking is the material is thin, and just has a little bit of give hanging out there so far. I wanted to see if anyone else was experiencing the same.
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Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU View Quote Not to derail, but what BUIS are those on the rifle in the video? They look like the Troy sights but without the Troy white lettering. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H87cDSkLNw
Palmetto State Armory Aluminum flip Up Sight Set I'm switching them out for the GDT AR15 AR 15 Front and Rear 45 Degree Rapid Transition BUIS Backup Iron Sight $22.88 @ Amazon.com Quoted:
Not to derail, but what BUIS are those on the rifle in the video? They look like the Troy sights but without the Troy white lettering. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU Not to derail, but what BUIS are those on the rifle in the video? They look like the Troy sights but without the Troy white lettering. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H87cDSkLNw Palmetto State Armory Aluminum flip Up Sight Set I'm switching them out for the GDT AR15 AR 15 Front and Rear 45 Degree Rapid Transition BUIS Backup Iron Sight $22.88 @ Amazon.com Quoted:
Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU Not to derail, but what BUIS are those on the rifle in the video? They look like the Troy sights but without the Troy white lettering. I have those 45 degree sights. Buyer beware. Mine do not clamp down tight on the rail and they are not made to spec. YMMV but you can always return them no questions asked if you use Amazon. Did you PSA BUIS mount tight to the rail? I have heard some negaative things about them as well. |
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Mine is a 9" version that moves a little bit, but not much. I had to use a spacer to get everything lined up right and put good torque on it.
Sights worked perfect. Here are the results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGv2ca4oE_s&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoeluo13Vhxw-SuD-SDZDeg Shooting .223 hand loads at 9" steel plate, 200yds, MBUS open sights. Home built basic AR platform with PSA bolt group and AR Stoner 16" 1:9 5.56 barrel. The steel plate is 9" diameter on a tripod. The front site post almost covers the entire plate at 200 yds. Was able to hit 8/10 from the bench and about 5/10 kneeling. Need more practice kneeling. Was able to hit a couple standing offhand. The MBUS sights and the target begin to blur with eye fatigue. Flight time is about .25 seconds with 25gr of W748 pushing a 55gr projectile about 2700FPS. Fun to ring the gong at 200yds. Note the good fist pump of excitement at the end. Quoted:
I have those 45 degree sights. Buyer beware. Mine do not clamp down tight on the rail and they are not made to spec. YMMV but you can always return them no questions asked if you use Amazon. Did you PSA BUIS mount tight to the rail? I have heard some negaative things about them as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes. I had the same issue. I sent this video to UTG and received a call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQY1sKUQVU Not to derail, but what BUIS are those on the rifle in the video? They look like the Troy sights but without the Troy white lettering. I have those 45 degree sights. Buyer beware. Mine do not clamp down tight on the rail and they are not made to spec. YMMV but you can always return them no questions asked if you use Amazon. Did you PSA BUIS mount tight to the rail? I have heard some negaative things about them as well. |
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That is a nice looking gun. I think i'm going to throw some magpul sights on mine as well until I figure out what scope I want to use. I've built a few, but this was my first attempt at a free float. Glad to hear some flex is normal. After torquing the barrel nut a little tighter, and trying to ensure I was torquing the rail screws as evenly as possible, mine has very little movement up front now. |
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That is a nice looking gun. I think i'm going to throw some magpul sights on mine as well until I figure out what scope I want to use. I've built a few, but this was my first attempt at a free float. Glad to hear some flex is normal. After torquing the barrel nut a little tighter, and trying to ensure I was torquing the rail screws as evenly as possible, mine has very little movement up front now. View Quote |
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I have one of these rails I bought maybe 6 months ago or so. I caught hell from all the Tier Oners at the time. I put the rail on a mutt of an AR. I haven't had any issues with it in about 500 rounds of shooting, other than the little "ribs" that run between the holes in the rail are kinda sharp. If you own one you know what I mean. Other than that, it's been a decent product and worth what I paid for it.
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Anyone have any leads on where to grab one of these for under 100 bux?
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I liked the lightweight slim profile of the 13" handguard that I also picked up a 9" for a future build.
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