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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:21:27 PM EDT
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NEVER EVER EVER use the word blackthorne and "best" in the same sentence.
Look at DelTon or model1 sales. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:26:54 PM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again!
I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 2:34:13 PM EDT
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ive had nothing but problems with parts from blackthorn. hell half of one of my uppers finish rubbed right off with a rag. FUCK EM
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:26:05 PM EDT
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Just google model1 and blackthorne. There is just no point dealing with companies like those when there are 10 good companies you could deal with instead.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:29:30 PM EDT
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Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:36:03 PM EDT
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Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 4:00:28 PM EDT
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NEVER EVER EVER use the word blackthorne and "best" in the same sentence. Look at DelTon or model1 sales. End of thread! |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 4:01:42 PM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. Okay... 
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Posted: 8/31/2013 4:59:09 PM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. Tapco didn't gouge either. You might want to check out of their "quality" kit.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 5:29:10 PM EDT
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Use Lego pieces before you use blackthorn. There are a half dozen or more people on the equipment exchange that all sell quality kits. Or try some of the sponsors at the top of this page. But never ever use blackthorn. They should be called thorn in the ass.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 5:32:30 PM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. No experience with this gear, but you are definitely the first I have seen defend it here, other than a couple of trolls that popped up. Do you have pictures of your rifles? Never seen any. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 5:49:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 8:19:50 PM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. People rip on them because they scammers. Don't take my word for it, keep ordering from them and find out for yourself. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 8:35:52 PM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. They get bashed for a REASON!!!! A friend of mine ordered 3 Blackthorne kits (at the time they were all that was available) two of the barrels failed headspacing! They were short chambered, he had to recut the chambers. Blackthorne is TOTAL SHIT!!! And standing up for them makes everyone here question whether you are that out of touch, or a shill acct. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 8:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 8:53:58 PM EDT
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just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. PSA is a million times better than blackthorne |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 9:07:17 PM EDT
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I like DoubleStar/J&T Distributing.
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Posted: 9/1/2013 6:43:38 PM EDT
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Ditto on J&T, decent prices, decent stuff and every shipment has arrived in a week.
Most of my stuff is from PSA and J&T and both AR's fit together beautifully. Very little upper/lower slop and take down pins pop with finger pressure. ETA: Originally I was looking at Blackthorn and Model1 because of price. Then I did a little Google-fu and learned from "those that came before". In other words, spend another C-note and get 10 times the quality. |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 7:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again.  |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 8:03:04 PM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. Oh dear Lord! Is that you,Mr hesse? Or whatever you call yourselfthis week? Op, ( possibly hesse? ) stay far,far away from anything blackthorne/hesse/Vulcan/oly/whateverthehellhecallshimselfthisweek. Much better product and less headache for the money. |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 8:22:29 PM EDT
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Oh dear Lord! Is that you,Mr hesse? Or whatever you call yourselfthis week? Op, ( possibly hesse? ) stay far,far away from anything blackthorne/hesse/Vulcan/oly/whateverthehellhecallshimselfthisweek. Much better product and less headache for the money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. Oh dear Lord! Is that you,Mr hesse? Or whatever you call yourselfthis week? Op, ( possibly hesse? ) stay far,far away from anything blackthorne/hesse/Vulcan/oly/whateverthehellhecallshimselfthisweek. Much better product and less headache for the money. By "oly" I assume you mean Olympic Arms? If so, they are not associated with Blackthorne/Vulcan/Hesse, and while not considered "tier 1", they are not quite in the same league as Blackthorne/Vulcan/Hesse. |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 10:21:37 PM EDT
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PSA was having a labor day sale with FN manufactured barrels. I'm sure they will have some still lying around. iMO that would be the best kit.
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Posted: 9/1/2013 10:47:34 PM EDT
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How much of the hate is hearsay? I havent ever actually known anyone who owns a Blackthorne rifle. There are, however, a lot of experts on the subject in here. Hey, just askin............
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Posted: 9/1/2013 11:27:50 PM EDT
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Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits Everything above aside, this is your answer. I'm consistently amazed at what kind of rifle you can get from PSA for $600 if you are patient. |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 12:42:30 AM EDT
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Use Lego pieces before you use blackthorn. There are a half dozen or more people on the equipment exchange that all sell quality kits. Or try some of the sponsors at the top of this page. But never ever use blackthorn. They should be called thorn in the ass. Absolutely! 
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Posted: 9/2/2013 1:03:44 AM EDT
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How much of the hate is hearsay? I havent ever actually known anyone who owns a Blackthorne rifle. There are, however, a lot of experts on the subject in here. Hey, just askin............ I don't have to order shit to know it's shit. I can take others word for it. There are way to many stories out there about their shit products. And companies that make quality components don't change their name on a regular basis. If you make a quality product, you want repeat customers or word of mouth advertising. That doesn't happen when you've changed your name. But by all means, order a kit and get back to us. |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 2:40:52 AM EDT
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How much of the hate is hearsay? I havent ever actually known anyone who owns a Blackthorne rifle. There are, however, a lot of experts on the subject in here. Hey, just askin............ There are a few members here that bought kits that turned out to be junk. One had a used barrel on it. Blackthorne had removed the extension and put a new one on. Once tightened they did not fill the orginal gas port , recentered the FSB and drilled a new port and then pinned the FSB on. So it ended up with two sets of holes where the FSB were pinned and two gas ports. Another member here defended them saying that they were good for the money, but when pressed admitted to having to do a LOT of work t o get it to run reliably. What you are saying is that the nigerian prince who keeps Emailing me is legit and I should def send him my bank info cause he wants to make me rich 
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Posted: 9/2/2013 3:09:05 AM EDT
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I tried to straighten up a Blackthorn for a friend of mine.
It was so fucked up, it was actually interesting. How could somebody put it in a box and sleep at night? In the end, I told him to send it back. It was terrible. |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 5:21:39 AM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. 1st thing I thought to do,... ..was check this for Haiku! |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 5:49:10 AM EDT
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How much of the hate is hearsay? I havent ever actually known anyone who owns a Blackthorne rifle. There are, however, a lot of experts on the subject in here. Hey, just askin............ Lets see, I personally observed the head space being checked on three Blackthorne barrels. Two of the three failed BADLY! They wouldn't even come close to chambering a round 
Then I personally observed him recutting the chambers with a Clymer tool. THEN, they passed head spacing. HOW's THAT FOR HEARSAY? 
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Posted: 9/2/2013 6:24:38 AM EDT
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How much of the hate is hearsay? I havent ever actually known anyone who owns a Blackthorne rifle. There are, however, a lot of experts on the subject in here. Hey, just askin............ They are not as horrible as people here make them out to be. Blackthorne sells blem stuff at blem prices. Ordering from them is a crap shoot: sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you get crap. I've bought stuff from them before and have never been burned too badly, but unless it's some part that I absolutely have to have and they are the only people selling it, I won't use them. |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 9:18:22 AM EDT
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This is where I usually get my parts. They have a couple kits for $499 today. Also they have a free shipping coupon. Here
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Posted: 9/2/2013 9:59:13 AM EDT
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They are not as horrible as people here make them out to be. Blackthorne sells blem stuff at blem prices. Ordering from them is a crap shoot: sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you get crap. I've bought stuff from them before and have never been burned too badly, but unless it's some part that I absolutely have to have and they are the only people selling it, I won't use them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much of the hate is hearsay? I havent ever actually known anyone who owns a Blackthorne rifle. There are, however, a lot of experts on the subject in here. Hey, just askin............ They are not as horrible as people here make them out to be. Blackthorne sells blem stuff at blem prices. Ordering from them is a crap shoot: sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you get crap. I've bought stuff from them before and have never been burned too badly, but unless it's some part that I absolutely have to have and they are the only people selling it, I won't use them. Improperly cut chambers, gas ports filled in and redrilled. That is quite a bit beyond "blems". WTF do you consider horrible? |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 10:16:40 AM EDT
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I've never owned anything from PSA, but they use FN-made barrels. They have a full kit minus sights and stripped lower, with FN barrel, for $499. That's a hell of a lot better than "ok for the money". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. FN MADE????? that doesnt mean a whole lot. i can guarantee the FN barrels they are selling are not 100% made AND completely finished by FN. maybe they are getting blanks from FN. we got one of their complete uppers with an FN barrel..... the threads on the muzzle were longer than spec so the smith votex flash hider we put on it didnt fit right. we had to use shims. i called smith the owner told me on the phone there was NO WAY FN built that barrel when i gave him the specs. and so what your saying is if blackthrone gfets soem barrel blanks from FN and finishes them then they HAVE to be awesome becasue hey, its an FN barrel right? |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 11:59:22 AM EDT
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FN MADE????? that doesnt mean a whole lot. i can guarantee the FN barrels they are selling are not 100% made AND completely finished by FN. maybe they are getting blanks from FN. we got one of their complete uppers with an FN barrel..... the threads on the muzzle were longer than spec so the smith votex flash hider we put on it didnt fit right. we had to use shims. i called smith the owner told me on the phone there was NO WAY FN built that barrel when i gave him the specs. and so what your saying is if blackthrone gfets soem barrel blanks from FN and finishes them then they HAVE to be awesome becasue hey, its an FN barrel right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. FN MADE????? that doesnt mean a whole lot. i can guarantee the FN barrels they are selling are not 100% made AND completely finished by FN. maybe they are getting blanks from FN. we got one of their complete uppers with an FN barrel..... the threads on the muzzle were longer than spec so the smith votex flash hider we put on it didnt fit right. we had to use shims. i called smith the owner told me on the phone there was NO WAY FN built that barrel when i gave him the specs. and so what your saying is if blackthrone gfets soem barrel blanks from FN and finishes them then they HAVE to be awesome becasue hey, its an FN barrel right? Ok, I is confused. Are we talking about Blackthorne or PSA here? |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 7:21:54 PM EDT
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Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. FN MADE????? that doesnt mean a whole lot. i can guarantee the FN barrels they are selling are not 100% made AND completely finished by FN. maybe they are getting blanks from FN. we got one of their complete uppers with an FN barrel..... the threads on the muzzle were longer than spec so the smith votex flash hider we put on it didnt fit right. we had to use shims. i called smith the owner told me on the phone there was NO WAY FN built that barrel when i gave him the specs. and so what your saying is if blackthrone gfets soem barrel blanks from FN and finishes them then they HAVE to be awesome becasue hey, its an FN barrel right? Ok, I is confused. Are we talking about Blackthorne or PSA here? point was, if blackthorne had a "FN MADE" barrel dirt cheap everyone would bash it. but for some reason if PSA has a "FN MADE" barrel for cheap then there is a glowing gold halo around it with angels singing. and i not bashing PSA. its just funny how people want to put certain brands on a pedestal when they are no better or worse than most makers. i went on a long discussion about this in a thread on here about noveske lowers and color matching. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 3:09:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FN MADE????? that doesnt mean a whole lot. i can guarantee the FN barrels they are selling are not 100% made AND completely finished by FN. maybe they are getting blanks from FN. we got one of their complete uppers with an FN barrel..... the threads on the muzzle were longer than spec so the smith votex flash hider we put on it didnt fit right. we had to use shims. i called smith the owner told me on the phone there was NO WAY FN built that barrel when i gave him the specs. and so what your saying is if blackthrone gfets soem barrel blanks from FN and finishes them then they HAVE to be awesome becasue hey, its an FN barrel right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Palmetto state armory.. best rifle kits just because its the cheapest doesnt mean its the best. not saying PSA is junk, just saying they are OK for the money. FN MADE????? that doesnt mean a whole lot. i can guarantee the FN barrels they are selling are not 100% made AND completely finished by FN. maybe they are getting blanks from FN. we got one of their complete uppers with an FN barrel..... the threads on the muzzle were longer than spec so the smith votex flash hider we put on it didnt fit right. we had to use shims. i called smith the owner told me on the phone there was NO WAY FN built that barrel when i gave him the specs. and so what your saying is if blackthrone gfets soem barrel blanks from FN and finishes them then they HAVE to be awesome becasue hey, its an FN barrel right? So much for your guarantee. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 3:55:15 AM EDT
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You Bash these guys Time and Time again! I bought a cheap kit, it feeds and it goes bang. Run a million rounds and you have a failure? Upgrade for more money. They have kept up with the posts on delays from the rush. I read post after post of complaints for other suppliers delays, no communication and wrong shit Vulcan Hesse Blackthorne=SHit?? Get over it they didn't gouge… I'll buy again. I have put many of their kits together and yes there is a lesser quality part now and then. If you want a masterpiece or are going to risk your life with your rifle then pay someone like Noveske for a rifle. If you want an AR and do not expect every piece finished to perfection then Blackthorne is fine. I would also add that if you risk your life with your AR you should know the finish is not important anyway and know how to repair anything that does not work. An AR either works or it does not and they can all be made to run ,even Blackthorne kits. Lets remember ,a kit is not a rifle ,it is a collection of parts. I am not saying Blackthorne is the best company around or anything like that but I am saying that if you know your way around an AR then you can use their kits as a cheap collection of parts that is able to make a good working rifle. Even if you needed to replace a hammer or spring or some other part to make the rifle 100% reliable it would still end up less expensive than anyone else so they are not all bad or without their place. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 7:31:20 AM EDT
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Improperly cut chambers, gas ports filled in and redrilled. That is quite a bit beyond "blems". WTF do you consider horrible? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much of the hate is hearsay? I havent ever actually known anyone who owns a Blackthorne rifle. There are, however, a lot of experts on the subject in here. Hey, just askin............ They are not as horrible as people here make them out to be. Blackthorne sells blem stuff at blem prices. Ordering from them is a crap shoot: sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you get crap. I've bought stuff from them before and have never been burned too badly, but unless it's some part that I absolutely have to have and they are the only people selling it, I won't use them. Improperly cut chambers, gas ports filled in and redrilled. That is quite a bit beyond "blems". WTF do you consider horrible? You could have sent the barrels with the improperly cut chambers back. I've gotten shit that was completely unusable from them: I sent it back, and they sent me shit that wasn't completely unusable. I have two "blem" CMMG barrels that came with replaced barrel extensions and redrilled gas ports; they were super cheap and work fine. I'm not saying their product doesn't suck and the company isn't sketchy as hell, but I've never ordered anything from them that didn't arrive promptly and wasn't more or less what I though I was getting. I can't say the same about PSA (although to be fair to PSA, even when they totally screw up your order, whatever they send you is still pretty nice and is worth at least what you paid for).
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Posted: 9/3/2013 7:34:35 AM EDT
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FN MADE????? that doesnt mean a whole lot. i can guarantee the FN barrels they are selling are not 100% made AND completely finished by FN. maybe they are getting blanks from FN. we got one of their complete uppers with an FN barrel..... the threads on the muzzle were longer than spec so the smith votex flash hider we put on it didnt fit right. we had to use shims. i called smith the owner told me on the phone there was NO WAY FN built that barrel when i gave him the specs. and so what your saying is if blackthrone gfets soem barrel blanks from FN and finishes them then they HAVE to be awesome becasue hey, its an FN barrel right? Yes they are. Your guarantee would be wrong. The PSA rep has made this clear 100 times in their forum. They do not finish barrel blanks at PSA, they get them complete from FN. They are FN barrels, and many of them say FN right on them, I have one. Every manufacturer makes a mistake, that is for sure. FN isn't safe from screw ups. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 10:00:13 AM EDT
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You guys can justify buying crap all you want. When I spend hundreds of dollars on something, I expect it work when it arrives. End of story. I shouldn't have to work on something to make it work, that's what I'm paying the vendor to do.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:19:45 PM EDT
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I will say this, It all boils down to Quality Control weather you make nuts and bolts or gun parts.
If you have a QC department worth a damn your company will get a good reputation and prosper...If not you get the likes of Blackthorne. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:04:06 PM EDT
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AKA BESIDES the french, who has the best military...
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