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Posted: 4/27/2012 10:38:46 AM
Man I love you idea because it will look way better than the original IMO and I happen to have a CTR laying around and spare grip myself. I have no need for a bump fire style stock but sure will be fun shooting once in awhile . I believe I shall build one myself just to play with from time to time. Wished I had a CNC machine I'd build a complete billet setup.
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Posted: 4/27/2012 10:40:14 AM
Originally Posted By brodband8:
Alright bud, calm down. I thought the idea up and created it, in less than 24 hours total.
I saved 350 bucks, and had a lot of fun. Are you not understanding this? Also I have NO plans
to sell this. It may be ugly, but it works, and it works just fine. Wait till you see the second one.
You have NO idea how much better it is going to be. As I said, just trying to have some fun,
no illegal intentions whatsoever, private use only.


+1 man. I have a buddy who owns the slide fire stock, and while it is cool they are expensive! Creative idea for personal use, I'm interested to see you make something more refined now that you know you can do it.

Slide fire is really silly in my mind, as others have said to. I can place more effective rounds then my bud with his slide fire. We did a side by side time test. Every miss adding x penalty, That dose not take away people having there fun! I sure would never pay over 300$ for it, so building one is cool.

Patent or not, you don't intend to sell these as I gather.
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Posted: 4/28/2012 1:15:57 AM
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i searched for several hours and could not find a single case of an individual who was forced to comply with a c&d order for something (anything) made for personel use with no intent or attempt to market the product.... ford was unable to stop chevrolet from developing a v8 engine because chevrolet never sold their v8 until fords patent was no longer applicable , but.. chevrolet was building and IMPROVING the v8 for years. ford sufferd no finacial loss so there was no infringment. if u research patents u will find an untold number that are granted for an IMPROVEMENT on an existing patent. if inventors had to wait years untill a patent was expired to try and improve upon it or the DIY guys who enjoy tinkering were made to pay someone for something they built we would all be screwed ... who would even try if ur gonna get sued ? yes u can patent an idea that leads to a product....does that mean the patent holder can have a c&d order sent to me if i think about his idea...?
and .... if it comes to it i will contribute gladly and generously to your legal fund if u r sued for the stock that u made for your PERSONAL use
sorry for the mini rant ....got up to early and stayed up to late : )
john
ps i have bought 1 sfs stock new and 1 used ...and i have made 2 for my own use and for my grandson.. this thread has given me and inspiration to build a 3rd
so im goin' to the garage right now... thanx for posting about your DIY slidefire TYPE stock .
i guess i gotta worry about the patent office jbt's com'n after me now
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Posted: 4/28/2012 8:33:45 AM
LOL, I have a drawing of something very similar to what you created. I think it's awesome! You sir have the riggin gene. Congrats
Nothing cleaver to say !
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Posted: 4/28/2012 10:53:30 AM
Props the the OP for your ingenuity and execution. Looking forward to seeing your Gen 2 version here.
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Posted: 4/28/2012 5:00:03 PM
Cool idea.

I use/like the rubberband method.

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Posted: 4/28/2012 10:10:08 PM
I know what you mean, most of the fun is in the garage pounding stuff out....good job



Originally Posted By brodband8:
Alright bud, calm down. I thought the idea up and created it, in less than 24 hours total.
I saved 350 bucks, and had a lot of fun. Are you not understanding this? Also I have NO plans
to sell this. It may be ugly, but it works, and it works just fine. Wait till you see the second one.
You have NO idea how much better it is going to be. As I said, just trying to have some fun,
no illegal intentions whatsoever, private use only.


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Posted: 4/28/2012 10:31:56 PM
Nicley done op! I think the $350 price tag on the original makes me want to build my own also.
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Posted: 4/29/2012 1:43:10 AM
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I think what you've done there is pretty neat. Bump firing isnt for everyone. But it has its moments like you mentioned. (friends, family––––to show it off as something different once in a great while) nothing wrong with that.
I say keep going man. Screw people. If you enjoy working on this kinda stuff do it. Who cares how much time you've put into it. In the end if you enjoyed your time spent on the project I say its a success.

you're doing something i couldnt do.

Edit: And i think the "lecture" guy just likes to see his pretty little words on the screen whos bustin' balls now! lol ..all in fun
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Posted: 4/29/2012 11:08:19 AM
This made my morning; great work! DIY is where it's at.

Thanks for sharing - looking forward to Gen 2!
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Posted: 4/29/2012 11:49:15 AM
Patent #8,127,658 long but interesting read...
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Posted: 5/3/2012 9:59:23 PM
Sorry for the long reply. I have been busy and haven't had much time to work on it. I got it all pieced together and its strong and slides good. I still have to mod my lower when it comes in so that the safety will be enclosed without the need of a pistol grip to hold it in place. I test fired it without the safety (you safety whores hush!) and it worked flawlessly. Here is a few pics of it, there is no finger rest in this pic because I hadn't added it yet, but I will update pics soon. Also, I have replaced the screws with black button head screws as they looked better.



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Posted: 5/3/2012 10:03:04 PM
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That is impressive.

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Posted: 5/3/2012 10:15:21 PM
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Also, if you can't tell already, this stock will not lock in place. I removed the actual dowel that is spring loaded and pushes into the buffer tube position holes.
Until I can figure out how to work that, but for now, it's fine. I'm thinking about just drilling some holes into the bottom part of the buffer tube (not where the spring is)
and just drilling a pin hole into the stock so you can place a cotter pin or something to lock it into place. A new video is uploading, so should be up soon.

I still think this think looks WAY better than the Slide Fire.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 10:24:36 PM
looks amazing. good work. Im trying to figure how to do this with normal ar15 m4 stocks and grips.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 10:25:18 PM
Video from today.

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Posted: 5/3/2012 10:56:38 PM
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Originally Posted By brodband8:
Also, if you can't tell already, this stock will not lock in place. I removed the actual dowel that is spring loaded and pushes into the buffer tube position holes.
Until I can figure out how to work that, but for now, it's fine.


I'd thread a bolt into the stock right behind the adjustment lever with a small piece of flat steel that has a hole drilled offset from center. Then to use it as a bumpstock you would compress the lever, slide the flat steel ontop the lever, and when you let go of the lever, the flat steel will keep it from decompressing. The only downside of this would be the flat piece of steel possible rattling, but a spring between it and the stock might solve that.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 11:47:56 PM
I had to picture what you where talking about but I figured it out. That doesn't sound like too bad of an idea.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 2:39:26 AM
Originally Posted By brodband8:
Also, if you can't tell already, this stock will not lock in place. I removed the actual dowel that is spring loaded and pushes into the buffer tube position holes.
Until I can figure out how to work that, but for now, it's fine. I'm thinking about just drilling some holes into the bottom part of the buffer tube (not where the spring is)
and just drilling a pin hole into the stock so you can place a cotter pin or something to lock it into place. A new video is uploading, so should be up soon.

I still think this think looks WAY better than the Slide Fire.


Have the buffer tube length adjustment milled out so that the detent in the stock keeps it on the tube but won't lock up, just slide freely back and forth in the area that the position holes are. problem easily solved, don't over think things.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 5:32:46 AM
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Originally Posted By brodband8:
I had to picture what you where talking about but I figured it out. That doesn't sound like too bad of an idea.


Here is what I am thinking, just to make sure we are on the same page. With as good of cad work as I did, hopefully Magpul doesn't go after me for infringement lol.

Normal, stock locked in place operation:


Bumpfire operation:
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Posted: 5/4/2012 9:06:36 AM
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Here's an idea too. You could get a longer bolt for the rear bolt hole on the metal rod and drill out that second layer on the stock itself, then thread an extra nut on for back pressure, and run the longer bolt up til it locks the lever up. I'll try to MS Paint this.

ETA: The second nut is to keep the metal bar tight against the stock.

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Posted: 5/4/2012 11:51:00 AM
Originally Posted By CFCNC:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
I had to picture what you where talking about but I figured it out. That doesn't sound like too bad of an idea.


Here is what I am thinking, just to make sure we are on the same page. With as good of cad work as I did, hopefully Magpul doesn't go after me for infringement lol.

Normal, stock locked in place operation:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ExGN0HdljLA/T6Oh1erqiuI/AAAAAAAADew/-wD9qKYJXxQ/s680/normal.jpg

Bumpfire operation:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L0Iy2Oo8zkM/T6Oh1LEAQWI/AAAAAAAADeo/eQ7oQQd8qQA/s680/bumpfire.jpg


I like this idea, but it rattling loose under fire would be a problem. I know that the position handle would supply pressure, but unless it had a hook type end or a pin to insert into a coresponding hole in the handle I wouldn't trust it to hold.

Originally Posted By Supergyro:
Here's an idea too. You could get a longer bolt for the rear bolt hole on the metal rod and drill out that second layer on the stock itself, then thread an extra nut on for back pressure, and run the longer bolt up til it locks the lever up. I'll try to MS Paint this.

ETA: The second nut is to keep the metal bar tight against the stock.

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae167/Supergyro/slidefirepaint.jpg


This would catch on clothing or skin while firing, not a good idea when it is going full tilt boogie. If you could incorporate it through the handle, but not outside the buttstock it would be cleaner and safer.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 12:19:51 PM
Originally Posted By USMC2147:
Originally Posted By CFCNC:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
I had to picture what you where talking about but I figured it out. That doesn't sound like too bad of an idea.


Here is what I am thinking, just to make sure we are on the same page. With as good of cad work as I did, hopefully Magpul doesn't go after me for infringement lol.

Normal, stock locked in place operation:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ExGN0HdljLA/T6Oh1erqiuI/AAAAAAAADew/-wD9qKYJXxQ/s680/normal.jpg

Bumpfire operation:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L0Iy2Oo8zkM/T6Oh1LEAQWI/AAAAAAAADeo/eQ7oQQd8qQA/s680/bumpfire.jpg


I like this idea, but it rattling loose under fire would be a problem. I know that the position handle would supply pressure, but unless it had a hook type end or a pin to insert into a coresponding hole in the handle I wouldn't trust it to hold.

Originally Posted By Supergyro:
Here's an idea too. You could get a longer bolt for the rear bolt hole on the metal rod and drill out that second layer on the stock itself, then thread an extra nut on for back pressure, and run the longer bolt up til it locks the lever up. I'll try to MS Paint this.

ETA: The second nut is to keep the metal bar tight against the stock.

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae167/Supergyro/slidefirepaint.jpg


This would catch on clothing or skin while firing, not a good idea when it is going full tilt boogie. If you could incorporate it through the handle, but not outside the buttstock it would be cleaner and safer.


That was my worry. CFCNC's idea is better, I think, just harder to execute.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 12:36:19 PM
The only issue with CFCNC's idea that I can think of is that the screw will interfere with the buffer tube unless you mill out the buffer tube lock up holes.
I guess I could just dremil them out?
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Posted: 5/4/2012 12:42:14 PM
Originally Posted By brodband8:
The only issue with CFCNC's idea that I can think of is that the screw will interfere with the buffer tube unless you mill out the buffer tube lock up holes.
I guess I could just dremil them out?


If you dremmel them out, just put the stock back to it's original configuration and it will keep it on and still slide back and forth with ease.... win win. The only downside is that this buffer tube is worthless for anything else, but it solves the problems you are facing. One other thing you could do is shave down the detent so that it won't make contact with the locking holes, but still keep it in the grove so it won't come off.
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