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Posted: 5/13/2012 8:58:09 PM
[Last Edit: 5/13/2012 8:58:37 PM by Museone]
If you do anything, as far as home trigger work goes, polish the sear and hammer contacts. it is a huge difference. Be sure to polish the front and top faces of the sear and the front and bottom of the hammer. a little bit of time with a sharpening stone and a fine file goes a long way.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 8:02:34 AM
Originally Posted By jakeSWE:
Did any of you re-harden the parts after polishing? I'm looking to do this or something similar with new DPMS parts. What type of steel are they made of? Do I need to case-harden them, or can I harden them with oil or water? I've watched the AGI video on hardening but never attempted anything similar. Any tips would be helpful as I haven't been able to find much information about re-hardening sears etc on-line. "Leave it to a qualified gunsmith" or similar is not very helpful although I do appreciate the concern. /jake 8620 so there is not much carbon in the steel I'm not sure what the best way would be to go about it. |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 10:51:57 AM
does the set screw and polishing have any advantage with something like a rra 2-stage at all? still haven't decided on a trigger yet
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Posted: 5/23/2012 1:18:05 AM
anyone have issues with lightening the hammer after installing jp 3.5 spring kit? dont wanna lighten mine and then not have the rifle work this weekend.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 5:54:22 AM
Originally Posted By leadslinger479:
anyone have issues with lightening the hammer after installing jp 3.5 spring kit? dont wanna lighten mine and then not have the rifle work this weekend. I do not cut the hammer, just polish, change the springs, and install an adjuster screw. I haven't had any issues on any of my builds. If I did ave light strikes, I would than cut the hammer down. |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 12:35:14 PM
Originally Posted By gmtech825:
does the set screw and polishing have any advantage with something like a rra 2-stage at all? still haven't decided on a trigger yet Yeah, it's a hell of a lot cheaper and takes 30 minutes. |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 2:36:09 PM
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By gmtech825:
does the set screw and polishing have any advantage with something like a rra 2-stage at all? still haven't decided on a trigger yet Yeah, it's a hell of a lot cheaper and takes 30 minutes. -not an advantage over the 2-stage, modifying the actual 2-stage. mainly the set screw mod |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 5:30:42 PM
installed the jp spring kit and the set screw. man what a world of difference! cant wait to shoot it this weekend!
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Posted: 5/26/2012 1:52:26 PM
Did this mod and finally got to shoot last night to sight a scope. I don't think my hammer is "balanced" after cutting but I might get a speed hammer to replace. The take-up is gone and the spikes reg. trigger was pretty smooth by disconnector so I left that alone. I did cut the hammer but did not paint yet. I also installed the set screw and "filed" the back of trigger to allow safety to function properly.
Also did the trigger test afterwards and slammed the buttstock on the ground about 10 times to simulate a drop. The trigger held strong through testing and I took it to the range. I must say that take-up is all but gone, very crisp and responsive. Still heavy even after bending spring a little but I have the JP ent 3.5 springs coming. I am more worried about the balanced hammer than it being light but I did have 1 light strike after a mag change and releasing bolt catch. 1st round did not go bang cycled it out and 2nd took off with no hiccups. It was late so I only got off about 40 rounds and 15 were slow fired for accuracy check on scope. The mag dump before leaving left all on paper at 50 yards with 4x32 cqb scope and the trigger delivered with no problems. Very nice addition to my rifle. Can't wait to spend a little more time at the range. |
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Posted: 5/28/2012 12:27:26 AM
Range report:
Got my yellow springs in this weekend. After trigger testing at the house with yellow springs, cut hammer the hammer did release after a couple butt strikes to the ground. Trigger pull is very shallow and crisp. I had several "light strikes" at the range. Enough to upset me. I will be going with minimum of red hammer spring or stock spring. The take-up did not cause hammer release until after the yellow spring. Not sure if the hammer is not heavy enough or the spring is not strong enough to engage primer. All primers had indentions although did not fire on rounds I checked after the fact. If this were a zombie strike I would have been dead if I didn't abandon this weapon. I will be readjusting my trigger situation. I do not blame this thread rather than more myself and the newness to gunsmithing and AR triggers. But one thing is for sure: I will be fixing this to be dependable, solid, accurate and SAFE. Other than that when it did go bang I was nailing targets in a 40 mph crosswind at 50 and 100 yards like no ones business. Both with a Leapers 4x32 CQB scope and an EOTech 512 with and without the 3x magnifier. This gun is strikeable in all setup. There is a special place for my AR. I also noticed a problem with not cycling properly but I will be looking into gas system as I just installed a 2 piece YHM specter gas block with no probs until about 100 rounds into it. |
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Posted: 5/29/2012 10:12:09 AM
I did this mod a few years ago, and it's worked great ever since. One thing I would like to add, if you take too much off the back of the trigger bar and the safety does not work anymore, all is not lost! I took too much off and build it back up with JB weld and filed again. It's worked for me so far.
but I do have a question, has anybody compared pull weight with the yellow hammer spring vs stock spring with a leg cut off? |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 8:10:07 PM
Polished sear and hammer. Installed set screw(Tactical Innovations didn't need tapped, DPMS did) left hammer and springs alone. Much better!! No creep. Still somewhat heavy,but I'm happy.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 9:40:23 PM
Just reworked my stock DPMS trigger system useing the Junkyard method. What a difference! Now just to change out the springs to 3 1/2 lb set & i'm good to go.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 8:56:45 PM
I recently put together a lower and the stock trigger was awful. It had a nasty "snag" about 2/3 of the way through the travel. Calling it gritty just doesn't properly describe what it felt like.
I just did part of this trigger job. Polished the sear face slightly to get rid of the machine marks and put some Tetra grease on the mating surfaces. Just this minor work not only took the "snag" out of my trigger, but it's nice and smooth and crisp. I am using the stock springs for now. The lower is an AGP and it has a separate threaded hole and came with a set screw to take up the pretravel. For now I decided to leave this alone because this is a HD gun and I like having the safety margin the full travel camming action provides. |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 12:47:23 AM
good afternoon, ok its easy to work on your ar15 trigger.get a small punch set to go into the side of the lower.be shure to see how the #23 hammer pins come out..add new springs one at a time.put in punch to hold parts.push in pins and pull out puch slow.tap in pin last easy. i just got in a JP enterprises trigger spring.went fron the stock DPMS 5 to 8 lb trigger to the new JP 3 to 3 1/2 lb.go to www.midwayusa.com to down load the trigger redo.they all work the same.just you will be looking for a less Lb.pull on a good rifle.
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Posted: 9/8/2012 10:59:17 PM
I did this today to my Spikes Battle Trigger. Used a band saw and wide mouth sheet metal pillars to get a straight cut on the hammer. Added the JP yellow springs and set screw as well. Trigger pull is close to my kimber 1911 (4 lbs) and out of 200 shots, not a single light strike, passed all drop tests.. Looking at the primers and comparing to my pre trigger job, the hammer is hitting just as hard with the lights as with the stock using M885 Lake City 5.56. Should have done this a long time ago.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 1:33:00 AM
Originally Posted By gregrmp:
Originally Posted By esa17:
I'm buying a new hammer and spring set today, along with some anti-roll pins I think. I've never tapped a lower before, what kind of lube do you use? Any other tips for tapping the lower? There are products out there for tapping like "Tap-Magic" - for aluminum they are basically kerosene. Diesel would probably work fine. Just about any lube will work. If you use a heavy grease, like wheel bearing grease, it will catch any chips that are created in the flutes of the tap. Blast it with brake cleaner to clean, then apply some oil for rust prevention. |
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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:35:05 AM
there should be a sticky so we don't have to read through all the mumbo. I finished honing and polishing (to a mirror shine) the trigger of my sig516, feels crisp as hell. second trigger job, first was a tapco 2 in my wasr 10/63.
Can I bend and/or cut the stock springs to reduce the pull? |
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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:08:06 AM
Buy a set of the Jp springs.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:55:50 AM
Will this screw modification and jp spring setup have a substantial effect on a Daniel Defense LPK?
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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:07:44 PM
Originally Posted By EKKsoldier622:
Will this screw modification and jp spring setup have a substantial effect on a Daniel Defense LPK? No, I can't think of any reason it wouldn't work on a DD LPK. |
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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:30:06 PM
I wasn't sure if a company like DD would make a lpk that wouldn't benefit from this modification, but I just finished putting my rifle back together. For tapping the grip screw I used a 1/4-28 NF tap and used a 1/4" set screw and all I can say is WOW! I didn't realize how much of a change this would make. I was afraid I'd mess up the tapping process and ruin my lower, but once it caught the threads it was easy, just used royal purple to oil the threads as i threaded it in.
Very snappy, not too heavy trigger that breaks instantly and has very little post travel Considering the speed hammer and jp springs but we'll see how this turns out |
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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:40:42 PM
[Last Edit: 10/5/2012 11:41:39 PM by Skavatar]
can't remember the website but when i built my lower last year, i bent the trigger springs approx 30 degrees. and then cut off one leg of the hammer spring, leaving about 3/8" and filed it smooth. it was a PSA lpk, made a noticable difference. i finally went to Lowes and bought the set screw. Home Depot didnt have it in the 1/4 -28 X 1/4 size. nice thing with Surplus Arms and Ammo's lower is that it is tapped all the way through.
i took the hammer and trigger and safety off to get some pics. without the safety i was able to get the set screw in further and really lighten up the trigger. so, with that said, is it legal to not have a safety? pics of the spring modifications.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 3:49:56 PM
I've been doing AR triggers the same way for quite a few years now. Bend the right leg of the hammer spring 30 degrees back (don't cut it) and let it slip under the trigger pin, bend both legs of the trigger spring up a bit (the angle varies gun to gun), barely stone the contact surfaces, and grease everything with Magnalube, I haven't been as concerned with the shortest possible trigger on most of them, but the 2nd AR I built (varmint gun) had a set screw. Now I'm building a new precision AR so I need to fetch another set screw since this lower (Para) doesn't have one in it.
Originally Posted By Skavatar:
so, with that said, is it legal to not have a safety? Legal, yes. Intelligent, not in the slightest. With the trigger that light there's a very real chance that the gun will runaway if you drop it. |
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Posted: 10/6/2012 7:59:56 PM
Originally Posted By SniperKage:
I've been doing AR triggers the same way for quite a few years now. Bend the right leg of the hammer spring 30 degrees back (don't cut it) and let it slip under the trigger pin, bend both legs of the trigger spring up a bit (the angle varies gun to gun), barely stone the contact surfaces, and grease everything with Magnalube, I haven't been as concerned with the shortest possible trigger on most of them, but the 2nd AR I built (varmint gun) had a set screw. Now I'm building a new precision AR so I need to fetch another set screw since this lower (Para) doesn't have one in it. Originally Posted By Skavatar:
so, with that said, is it legal to not have a safety? Legal, yes. Intelligent, not in the slightest. With the trigger that light there's a very real chance that the gun will runaway if you drop it. I did hundreds of trigger jobs while I was in the service. The spring bending and lightly buffing the catch points was what I did. we were not allowed to "alter" the original components issued with the rifle. Now at the Marine "match or sniper levels" we were given more leeway for permanent alterations. I was never into cutting the springs though. To please a well trained Marine sniper with a trigger job was a real fun task ( yes snipers do use M16's in certain situations), especially on their M-40A1. I can get a nice 2.5 - 3lb smooth trigger break with very little or no creep just by doing the springs and catch point tweaks. I prefer my personal weapons trigger at 3.5lbs of pull. |
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