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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:45:08 AM EST
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Flipping through the latest Centerfire Systems flyer while sitting on the throne I noticed they advertised billet AR uppers and lowers for the same price as normal forged stuff. So I checked their site and found out they were made by TNW Firearms out of Oregon. Anyone know anything about them? I'm not really in the market to build another AR, but was shocked enough at the prices that I figured I'd post to find out what folks think of them. The finish looks to be parked instead of annodized, but that may just be the pics, hard to tell.

Centerfire page for the billet lower.
Centerfire page for the billet upper.




TNW's page.
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Posted: 10/10/2009 10:37:19 AM EST
If I'm not mistaken these are the people who build the semiauto .50 BMG advertised in the gun Digest.
They also have a piston AR upper advertised too.
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Posted: 10/10/2009 11:17:19 AM EST
They look like Black Rain Ordnance
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Posted: 10/10/2009 11:25:35 AM EST
They build some sweet shit.
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Posted: 10/10/2009 12:00:41 PM EST
The ones picture look scratched.....
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Posted: 10/10/2009 2:54:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By houstonmedic:
They build some sweet shit.


+1, I need to win the lottery.
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Posted: 10/10/2009 4:46:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By kwrangln:
Flipping through the latest Centerfire Systems flyer while sitting on the throne I noticed they advertised billet AR uppers and lowers for the same price as normal forged stuff. So I checked their site and found out they were made by TNW Firearms out of Oregon. Anyone know anything about them? I'm not really in the market to build another AR, but was shocked enough at the prices that I figured I'd post to find out what folks think of them. The finish looks to be parked instead of annodized, but that may just be the pics, hard to tell.

Centerfire page for the billet lower.
Centerfire page for the billet upper.

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/ar-15/ARLOWER-MACH-RGB1-B.jpg
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/receivers/ARUP-A_3STRIPPED-B.jpg

TNW's page.


Has to be anodized, you can't parkerize aluminum.

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Posted: 10/10/2009 8:13:03 PM EST
How did they do the magwell? EDM?
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Posted: 10/22/2009 1:11:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By tolson68:
They look like Black Rain Ordnance


It's definately not Black Rain Ordnance...here's a picture of theirs:

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Posted: 10/22/2009 2:26:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By kwrangln:
Flipping through the latest Centerfire Systems flyer while sitting on the throne I noticed they advertised billet AR uppers and lowers for the same price as normal forged stuff. So I checked their site and found out they were made by TNW Firearms out of Oregon. Anyone know anything about them? I'm not really in the market to build another AR, but was shocked enough at the prices that I figured I'd post to find out what folks think of them. The finish looks to be parked instead of annodized, but that may just be the pics, hard to tell.

Centerfire page for the billet lower.
Centerfire page for the billet upper.

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/ar-15/ARLOWER-MACH-RGB1-B.jpg
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/receivers/ARUP-A_3STRIPPED-B.jpg

TNW's page.


Wow.. That's pretty cheap... $79 bucks for a Billet lower.... Does anyone have any info on these guys? I would like to pick one of these up, but some feedback would be welcome..
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Posted: 10/22/2009 7:19:50 AM EST
"This stripped receiver has been CNC machined from solid 6061 T6 aluminum billet."
Not as strong as a 7075 T6 forging. Prettier, but not as strong.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 2:49:34 PM EST
Assuming that both lowers were built the same way, with the exact same profile, etc. Yes the 6061 is going not going to be as strong as 7075.

But billet lowers tend to be machined in such a way as to reinforce the lower, generally make them stronger than the standard profile.

In the real world, you're not going to break either one.

But if it helps you sleep better knowing that yours is made of 7075 T6, by all means, get the 7075...
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Posted: 10/26/2009 4:24:13 PM EST
I noticed yesterday that TNW had an industry page here on the site, so I posted up some questions, feel free to add your own to the thread. Still waiting on a response though.

Here's the thread in their section.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=367&t=180796

Yes, this thead is linked to the post, so don't bother clicking the link in the thread, figured I'd save ya that much.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:14:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By Desert__Punk:
How did they do the magwell? EDM?


Thats pretty much the only way to do it. Definately the cheapest way.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:45:11 PM EST
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I just went ahead and ordered 3 of them from Centerfire. At that price, there's not really much to lose. I can probably sell them locally for the same, or more money, if I decide I don't like 'em.

I'll post up some pics and try and make a decent and unbiased review of what they're all about. I've already got one of their billet uppers, and it appears to be pretty decent quality. I'm interested to see how tightly it fits the lower.

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to say that they're EDMed magwells either. I know TNW does a fair amount of broaching on some of their products, such as their MG53 receivers, etc. Broaching is not an expensive process, and they're already set up with the tools to do it, so it's hard to say.

Hard to say. I guess we'll see if I can tell, when they get here; hopefully next week.
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:52:59 PM EST
Yeah they could be broached, but the time is money factor comes in to play, and I would think EDM would be a lot faster once setup
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Posted: 10/26/2009 7:05:25 PM EST
You'll get no argument from me there. I'm just saying, these appear to be a brand-new product, and I don't know of anything that TNW has EDMed to date. It's very possible that they invested in an EDM machine to do magwells, but it's not a far shot to say that they may be using tooling that they already have, at least until they get into full-production swing on these lowers.

My guess is that the reason they're so cheap right now, is because it's a brand new product, and they want to build a reputation for good quality at a fair price. I don't think they'll stay this cheap for long, but again, it's all speculation. I'm trying to do as little of that as possible, until I've got them in my hands, but based on what I've seen from from these guys in the past, I'm expecting [hoping for] good things.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 4:34:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bretshooter:
"This stripped receiver has been CNC machined from solid 6061 T6 aluminum billet."
Not as strong as a 7075 T6 forging. Prettier, but not as strong.


maybe it is, maybe it is not. the material may not be as strong but the design could make it as strong or stronger.

another question to ask is.. does it matter which is stronger? if they are both at acceptible strength levels then who cares which one is stronger.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 4:58:06 AM EST
I'm not sure the cheap price is to get into the market, I think it's supply and demand. No one is buying the 100% lowers at the moment, the last 3 gun shows I went to in the Houston area many dealers had them stacked deep and high in all brands and the prices ranged from $99 and up.

After our last election people went into panic buying modes and prices shot up and supply dried up but the dealers keep ordering them on backorder, well most folks bought everything they ever thought they would need and supply started catching up and that's where we are today.

The $79 lowers look like one of the best deals I have seen and being billet just makes it even better but they are just trying to get a piece of a small market at the moment.

This last round of panic buying has almost killed the gun shows here, stuff's not selling and prices have dropped back a lot, even on the ammo.

If I knew what to do with any more lowers I might jump on this sale, I may however buy a few of the uppers.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 9:16:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By JimM44:
I'm not sure the cheap price is to get into the market, I think it's supply and demand. No one is buying the 100% lowers at the moment, the last 3 gun shows I went to in the Houston area many dealers had them stacked deep and high in all brands and the prices ranged from $99 and up.

After our last election people went into panic buying modes and prices shot up and supply dried up but the dealers keep ordering them on backorder, well most folks bought everything they ever thought they would need and supply started catching up and that's where we are today.

The $79 lowers look like one of the best deals I have seen and being billet just makes it even better but they are just trying to get a piece of a small market at the moment.

This last round of panic buying has almost killed the gun shows here, stuff's not selling and prices have dropped back a lot, even on the ammo.

If I knew what to do with any more lowers I might jump on this sale, I may however buy a few of the uppers.


Even in this market, $80 for a billet lower is a phenomenal price. Hell $80 for ANY lower is a pretty damn good price. No doubt, they would need to be priced competitively in this market, to sell. But I just sold 3 Doublestar lowers locally for $100 each, to fund this purchase of billet lowers.

There's definitely still a market out there, and I guarantee they could easily be getting $120+ for them. Methinks they'll be doing that soon enough, but at the early stages of a new product, in this particular market, you've gotta get a name for yourself. I think $80 lowers is probably the PERFECT way to do it. I'll bet they're selling them at close to cost, and will decide to make a price bump, once they've got a reputation worth a higher price tag. I'm just guessing though. Only time will tell if I'm correct in my guess.

What I don't get, is how people are still selling LPKs for $55-$80 each. I was in my local gun shop yesterday, and they were selling a crappy DPMS LPK for $75...

Ammo hasn't come down yet out here either.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:47:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By wrenchmonkey:
I just went ahead and ordered 3 of them from Centerfire. At that price, there's not really much to lose. I can probably sell them locally for the same, or more money, if I decide I don't like 'em.

I'll post up some pics and try and make a decent and unbiased review of what they're all about. I've already got one of their billet uppers, and it appears to be pretty decent quality. I'm interested to see how tightly it fits the lower.

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to say that they're EDMed magwells either. I know TNW does a fair amount of broaching on some of their products, such as their MG53 receivers, etc. Broaching is not an expensive process, and they're already set up with the tools to do it, so it's hard to say.

Hard to say. I guess we'll see if I can tell, when they get here; hopefully next week.


Been looking at these for a while, if u can please let me know how they look thanks
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:53:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wrenchmonkey:
I just went ahead and ordered 3 of them from Centerfire. At that price, there's not really much to lose. I can probably sell them locally for the same, or more money, if I decide I don't like 'em.

I'll post up some pics and try and make a decent and unbiased review of what they're all about. I've already got one of their billet uppers, and it appears to be pretty decent quality. I'm interested to see how tightly it fits the lower.

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to say that they're EDMed magwells either. I know TNW does a fair amount of broaching on some of their products, such as their MG53 receivers, etc. Broaching is not an expensive process, and they're already set up with the tools to do it, so it's hard to say.

Hard to say. I guess we'll see if I can tell, when they get here; hopefully next week.


Been looking at these for a while, if u can please let me know how they look thanks


I'll post pics, and a review. I have 2 M4 kits coming from Del-Ton this week, and 4 lightweight DPMS kits coming from JSE distributing early next week. I'll be building at least 1 kit on the Billet upper that I have that matches these lowers.

I'll probably creat a new thread with pics, and a review, when everything gets here. I'll update this thread with a link as well, for those who have tagged it.
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Posted: 10/27/2009 4:27:02 PM EST
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Posted: 10/27/2009 11:39:42 PM EST
I will be following this thread carefully. I shouldn't have opened it because I don't need a 3rd lower yet. I just finished up my first in 5.56 and am about ready to start the second in 5.45. I need to keep telling myself that I don't need to buy this lower to build a cheap .22lr setup...
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Posted: 10/28/2009 4:01:23 AM EST
"Vernonia, OR" When I'm home...they're close to it, maybe I'll check them out. If a TNW rep checks this site, if I stopped by (can I?), could you sell direct?
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Updates? Reviews?
Post your deals in the ARFCOM bargains thread (team members only):
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=75&t=843677
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