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Bronsonbull
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Posted: 11/12/2008 10:15:11 AM
Okay,

So I'm one of those guys that thinks the color filled in markings on an AR lower look pretty cool.

I've read many posted on how people use a grease pencil or crayola crayon to do this. Is that the way it's done? I would have to believe that if the lower was heated, the wax would melt right? Even in the hot sun at the range that could get messy.

Are there any more permanent products on the market used for this. Like a fine tipped paint pen or something?

Or, do crayons simply work with no issues? I know guys that did this on their pistol slides and had issued when they got too hot. I know that a lower probably would never get that hot, but it would seem weird to use my daugther's crayons on my $1500 AR :)
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Posted: 11/12/2008 10:30:36 AM
Actualy crayons work pretty good but I use paint pens when I do a color fill. It dries harder and more permanant.

Just rub it into the engraving and then take a cloth with some Gun Scrubber / Brake Clean and wipe over the top to take the excess off.

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Posted: 11/12/2008 10:40:02 AM
China White pencils at an art store.

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Posted: 11/12/2008 10:42:06 AM
i wouldnt recomend the crayons or grease because they look horrible after a little use. The proven best way to do it is to use testors model car paint. mix it up with some thinner and then use a tiny micro brush or something simular to put it into the rollmark and let the paint flow throw the roll mark itself. next mix put 1 drop of thinner and 1 drop of clp on a shotgun pad and lightly buff over the roll marks to remove any excess paint. looks professin when your all done...

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Posted: 11/12/2008 10:47:39 AM
I use acrylic paint.

Just wipe down the area with some alcohol to clean.

I use a toothpickpick to "paint" the acrylic into the area I want.

Fill up the markings pretty good and evenly.

Do each color at time and it doesnt take long for the acrylic to dry.

Then carefully (I use a q-tip and tissue, gently) clean around the markings with Acrylic Thinner. It will wipe off excess paint better than cleaner or alcohol.

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Posted: 11/12/2008 10:48:14 AM
I've used Crayon, Testors model paint, and nail polish.

Yes, I said nail polish.

Believe it or not, I've found that the nail polish actually works pretty damn well for a "permanent" color fill, since it really isnt affected by heat or the solvents most of us use to clean - but it can still be removed with acetone based nail polish remover and a little elbow grease if you want to get it out.

Testors is nice because it flows well and is easy to put on...but the caveat is that gun solvents will remove it pretty quickly if you're not careful. The paint has to have had a couple of FULL days to really dry/cure before it becomes durable...but after that, it works pretty well.

They also make lacquer paint stick that you can use for this purpose, though I've never been able to find it locally and since I've had sucess with other easier to obtain methods, I've never really felt compelled to pay $7 shipping for a $3 paint stick.

I started with white crayon on my XD40, then later switched to nail polish because it was melting and made a mess. Sold that gun as it was - the buyer really liked it with the white accents.

My AR right now is currrently a hybrid of all three methods, lol...The rollmarks are white crayon, the SAFE mark is testors paint, and the FIRE mark is red nail polish. I will tell you that white crayon in deep rollmarks like AA logo turns out BRIGHT white, it really pops. Some like that, some dont. I'm toying with the idea of taking the crayon out completely and going with Testors again.

I'll take a pic later and post it.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 11:04:04 AM
That's the info I was looking for. Thanks! I'll try the testors at first.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 12:34:52 PM
Originally Posted By Bronsonbull:
That's the info I was looking for. Thanks! I'll try the testors at first.


Alright, if thats the route you are going to go, be messy with it. Make sure you get it down into all the areas you want it, and then put some extra on...it has a tendancy to "sink" as it dries (nail polish does the same thing). Like I said above, let it dry thorooughly...at least a day or two, BEFORE trying to remove the excess. If you try to remove it before it's cured, you'll take almost all of the paint out of the rollmarks and have to start over.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 12:46:40 PM
Originally Posted By Gunner23:
Originally Posted By Bronsonbull:
That's the info I was looking for. Thanks! I'll try the testors at first.


Alright, if thats the route you are going to go, be messy with it. Make sure you get it down into all the areas you want it, and then put some extra on...it has a tendancy to "sink" as it dries (nail polish does the same thing). Like I said above, let it dry thorooughly...at least a day or two, BEFORE trying to remove the excess. If you try to remove it before it's cured, you'll take almost all of the paint out of the rollmarks and have to start over.



true, let it sit for atleast 5 mins before buffing the excess off...

Isn't nail polish a little thick? or is it thick enough to move around with the toothpick fairly easily or what? seems like it would be tough
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Posted: 11/12/2008 1:03:23 PM
Well, I get a color called "french manicure white" (I stole the first bottle from my wife actually, which is why I know about this...I swear )

Anyway, with the french manicure version, it comes with a slanted brush, so it's easier to apply to the rollmarks. Yes, it's VERY thick. I usually apply one coat, then go over it with an exacto knife and pop any little air bubbles I see. Let it dry for a half hour or so, then come back and add a second coat. Remeber, this stuff REALLY likes to sink as it dries, so two coats at a minimum will be needed. After the second coat is applied, I usually let that dry for about a half hour more, then take a patch with acetone nail polish remover on it and start working my way around the rollmarks.

For some people, the nail polish will "stain" the reciever around the rollmarks. This happend to me on my AA lower...it's not very apparent, but in bright light you might notice a little ghosting around the areas that were color filled. This WILL go away, it just takes time and several wipedowns with solvent or cleaner or whatever you use during your cleanings. When all the ghosting is gone, you're left with very attractive mostly-permanent color filled rollmarks.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 1:41:35 PM
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hmm. sounds like testors paint with some thinner added is the way to go as far as application goes. I never had a problem with it and it's going on about a year old now and the color is still 80% or better. Im satisfied.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 2:28:20 PM
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Testors paint? Mixxing? Thats too much work! go to wal mart in their craft section and buy your self Elmers "Painters" its a paint pen. Comes in a lot of colors and a fine piont. Used it on several lowers and have never had a problem. Just open shake and fill the rols. Let dry then wet a cloth and rub with your finger. Done Here is the lastest I did like an hour ago. Dont like the blue safe so I will change to another color soon.

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Posted: 11/12/2008 3:20:09 PM
so how durable is this paint pen paint? will it come off easily with CLP after it is dry? let us know... might be the best idea I have heard yet for rollmarks
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Posted: 11/14/2008 9:43:14 PM
I just bought some black red and white testors tonight for this very reason. Ill post before and after shots when I am finished. Flat black works great to fix any errant nicks you might have made while pounding in the trigger guard roll pin Has anyone ever whited in the stag on the lower? Im debating whether or not I want to do it.

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Posted: 11/14/2008 9:50:06 PM
tag for future ref. Those look great.
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Posted: 11/14/2008 10:47:00 PM
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tag for future ref. Those look great.



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Posted: 11/15/2008 1:19:48 AM
I'm using this method tomorrow.

http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/Painting-rollmarks-t21008.html
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Posted: 11/15/2008 5:09:09 AM
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Originally Posted By 8mmDale:
I just bought some black red and white testors tonight for this very reason. Ill post before and after shots when I am finished. Flat black works great to fix any errant nicks you might have made while pounding in the trigger guard roll pin Has anyone ever whited in the stag on the lower? Im debating whether or not I want to do it.

Dale


DO IT! THEN POST A PIC!

I have a Stag lower as well, and I want to know what it will look like! I think I am going to go with FDE parts,so I was thinking of filling in the stag with TAN, but I can't find Testor Paint locally.
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Posted: 11/15/2008 11:17:18 AM
Originally Posted By kjk200:
Originally Posted By 8mmDale:
I just bought some black red and white testors tonight for this very reason. Ill post before and after shots when I am finished. Flat black works great to fix any errant nicks you might have made while pounding in the trigger guard roll pin Has anyone ever whited in the stag on the lower? Im debating whether or not I want to do it.

Dale


DO IT! THEN POST A PIC!

I have a Stag lower as well, and I want to know what it will look like! I think I am going to go with FDE parts,so I was thinking of filling in the stag with TAN, but I can't find Testor Paint locally.


Testor paint is available pretty much any where that sells models. I got this stuff at Michaels crafts. Ill post as soon as I get it done.
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Posted: 11/15/2008 12:39:17 PM
I used the Elmers Paint Pens myself, turned out greatm would post a pic but I cant seem to get it done right.
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Posted: 11/15/2008 5:26:05 PM
After viewing this thread I went out to Walyworld and picked up a pair of the Elmer's pens. Very easy to use and worked like a charm. I love the new look. Here are a couple of pics after the touch up. I just filled in the roll marks let it sit for fifteen minutes then wiped off the excess with a rag and a dab of bore cleaner. Then wiped the lower down with a little gun conditioner to get the shine. There is alittle excess on there I now see on the pictures looks like I need to wipe it down again.

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Posted: 11/15/2008 6:58:56 PM
Where in Walmart did you find the paint pins?
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Posted: 11/15/2008 7:51:36 PM
I found 'em right where they mentioned above in the crafts section. Each pen is about $3.30 they have several colors too.
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Posted: 11/16/2008 5:59:10 PM
Originally Posted By 8mmDale:
I just bought some black red and white testors tonight for this very reason. Ill post before and after shots when I am finished. Flat black works great to fix any errant nicks you might have made while pounding in the trigger guard roll pin Has anyone ever whited in the stag on the lower? Im debating whether or not I want to do it.

Dale



I just did the stag with a white paint pen-filled it in-let dry for 15 min. and wiped excess off.Looks great-sorry don't know how to do pics.
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Posted: 11/16/2008 10:33:04 PM
The paint pens worked great for me.[/img], this is one I did for a friend
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Posted: 11/16/2008 10:47:51 PM
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This is a great thread!!!!

If you painted your lower, I'd like to see what you used and how it looks. Please attach a pic

THANKS!
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