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Posted: 4/28/2007 9:15:30 PM
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I would like to know is anybody made a 5.45x39 AR barrel or do I have to get a custom one
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Posted: 4/28/2007 9:17:09 PM
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Posted: 4/28/2007 10:08:50 PM
Try to contact alexander arms. At one time they had a 5.45 upper. They may still have some barrels around or can make another run. I would love one also. Considering the price of the ammo right now.
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Posted: 4/29/2007 4:30:29 PM
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Posted: 4/29/2007 4:31:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Jazzemt:
Try to contact alexander arms. At one time they had a 5.45 upper. They may still have some barrels around or can make another run. I would love one also. Considering the price of the ammo right now.

+1 Email me if you guys want to do a group buy. I bet a lot of us would like a couple.
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Posted: 4/29/2007 8:22:59 PM
I'm also interested in picking one up, what other modifications need to be made besides the barrel/chamber change out... I know mags will work, the complete lower should work, would I need a new bolt or are the dimensions of the case the same?
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Posted: 4/29/2007 10:55:44 PM
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Posted: 4/30/2007 2:54:51 AM
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KKF says they can do 5.45 barrels, look a the bottom of the page.

http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/catalog/item/29585/1132.htm

I've kind of been thinking about this idea too. I haven't called to see what kind of cash it will take to get the barrel yet.
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Posted: 4/30/2007 12:11:52 PM
I think it said something like 300 or some for a barrel and he can open up the bolt face to accept the bigger case
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Posted: 5/1/2007 6:39:39 PM


So figure 300 for the barrel, 40 for the bolt face work, and 260 for the rest of the upper parts fro $600 total?
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Posted: 5/1/2007 6:43:32 PM

Originally Posted By coctailer:

Originally Posted By CA_TX-Cop:
I'm also interested in picking one up, what other modifications need to be made besides the barrel/chamber change out... I know mags will work, the complete lower should work, would I need a new bolt or are the dimensions of the case the same?

Aw crap!!!! I forgot about the bolt. I'll do some digging.

isn't 5.45x39 just a necked down 7.62x39 case? If that's so why wouldn't a 7.62x39 bolt work?
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Posted: 5/1/2007 10:40:10 PM
I don't think the width of the cases at the base are the same. 7.62 is a little bigger.

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Posted: 5/2/2007 10:37:37 PM
Working on it, guys. Email me if you are seriously interested. Feel free to pool resources
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Posted: 5/2/2007 11:43:12 PM
Man w/ 5.45 so cheap it would be sweet. You'd have to clean your AR more carefully as most 5.45 (the cheap stuff anyways) is corrosive somewhat. Also 5.45 really does some damage and it is a very flat shooting caliber!

I'd be interested to see what it does in a 18" FF'd HBAR. I bet it would be a nice tack driver. Question...what twist would be ideal?
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Posted: 5/3/2007 9:40:07 AM
Thought they were calling this thing: "221 Ghengis" or something when its in the AR platform. TTI might have made one too. Certain ammo is supposed to be devestating yet still a FMJ design. What about magazines?
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Posted: 5/3/2007 9:32:25 PM

Originally Posted By CBR900:
Thought they were calling this thing: "221 Ghengis" or something when its in the AR platform. TTI might have made one too. Certain ammo is supposed to be devestating yet still a FMJ design. What about magazines?


6.8 SPC mags should work just fine ...
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Posted: 5/18/2007 12:35:13 PM
Anyone find out anything about the whole group buy possibility?
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Posted: 5/18/2007 1:52:56 PM
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Originally Posted By CA_TX-Cop:
Anyone find out anything about the whole group buy possibility?


Shoot MartytW a PM. I've been speaking with him personally about a Lothar Walther barrel in 5.45x39. Maybe he could discount the price a bit if enough of us were interested
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Posted: 5/18/2007 3:13:42 PM
I'm definitely interested in a barrel and bolt for 5.45x39. I've got an MGI upper on its way to Marty from MSI right now to open the ejection port up so I can later add a 458 SOCOM barrel. So maybe I can just have him add the 5.45x39 bolt & barrel while he has it.

The only reason I hadn't pursued it earlier was that I thought I'd have to wait for MGI to develope a new mag well for AK74 mags. If 6.8 mags will work in a regular AR15 lower mag well, then I'm good to go.

Of course, I'll still want an MGI mag well for AK74 mags as soon as they become available.
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Posted: 5/19/2007 9:15:36 AM
I am very interested in:

* a barrel
* a bolt
* and magazines

i would prefer the barrel to be a chromelined barrel but that maybe pretty hard to get done... if we can't get chromelined i'd like to see a SS barrel done...

Add me on the list :D
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Posted: 5/19/2007 10:52:02 AM

Originally Posted By MartytW:
Working on it, guys. Email me if you are seriously interested. Feel free to pool resources

E-mail sent.
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Posted: 5/20/2007 7:13:46 AM
some additional thoughts:

i believe that Alexander Arms actually just had replacement followers for M16 mags that allowed the use of the 5.45x39...

also... I think if we are going to make this worth it... it would be HIGHLY advised to get a chrome-lined barrel done...

AK74's have chrome-lined barrels for good reason... the ammo available in 5.45mm is not the cleanest... and the round its self isn't an accuracy whore... and I feel that most of us want a 5.45mm for ammo availability reasons...

So at this point I have my doubts that we can get this project done... between getting bolts (hopefully MP tested), chrome-lined barrels, and very reliable magazines I have my doubts... But I'm a pessimist so what do i know :D

Also, what gives you the thought that 6.8 Mags will work with 5.45x39?

I do have a dream though... if we were able to get all three hurdles jumped over perfectly...

1) chrome-lined barrel
2) Bolts (hopefully MP tested)
3) Mags

having an AR with the same relative accuracy as the M4, LESS RECOIL, and the price of ammo as such that it would pay for its self over time...

the only negatives I can see with switching to 5.45x39 once we get the three issues solved is local ammo availability is somewhat limited... but so is 556 now a days :(... and that problem can be over came by just buying and stocking up....

also, the lack of match / high quality ammo... and the step backwards in terminal ballistics... but a hit through the vitals is a hit through the vitals... we all can't shoot .308 AMAX bullets every time we pull the trigger either... and since the cost factor of being able to shoot more for less will allow for one to be able to shoot their weapon more... they'll become better shots with it...

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Posted: 5/22/2007 9:57:57 AM
I just finished building a 14.5 and a 10.5 using Lothar Walther SS Polygonal units. For bolts I used 5.56 bolts which I opened up the faces on. I'm using our short stroke piston system on these. I test fired 60 rounds through each this morning without any issues. As far as mags are concerned USGI 5.56 nor CP 6.8 or 5.56 mags don't work past 10 rounds. HK 5.56 mags work without any issue even when loaded to 30 rounds.
Hope this helps.
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Posted: 5/22/2007 11:47:09 AM
Interesting. Thanks Jesse!
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Posted: 5/22/2007 3:49:50 PM
Interesting. I would like a 5.45 upper myself.
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Posted: 5/22/2007 3:52:31 PM
Count me in if you get a group buy going I could always use another 5.45x39 upper.
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