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FanoftheBlackRifle AKA FOTBR Team Member Joined: Jul 2001  MO, USA Posts: 4504 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post

Posted: 12/22/2004 9:35:21 PM Originally Posted By budam: OK. Here is the quote from the ttb.gov website at www.ttb.gov/fet/faet_gunsmiths.htm 3. If my customer is considered the manufacturer, when is he or she liable for FAET? The customer is liable for FAET if: • He or she sells the firearm before using it; or • He or she uses the firearm in the operation of his or her business. You must use the gun outside of business for it to be a personal gun before you sell it... Ihope this clears up the confusion about not knowing the regulations. mark Still doesn't say that you can't sell it without using it. Just means that if you do so, you have to pay the excise tax. Couldn't find anything that said you had to have an FFL to pay the tax either (doesn't mean its not true though...the treasury and batfe have done stupider things before) But what the hell, I don't feel like arguing, so if you wanna clame victory and insist you're right, have at it.

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Gator Member Joined: Nov 2000  USA Posts: 200 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post	Posted: 1/5/2005 7:44:42 PM Err... I'm confused. "• He or she sells the firearm before using it; or" If those are the ATF's words, then that sounds like you have to use it...
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Gator Member Joined: Nov 2000  USA Posts: 201 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post	Posted: 1/5/2005 8:01:10 PM EEK! The cheapest milling machine at harborfreight $400 www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42976 Cheaper ones out there?
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Javak This Space Intentionally Left Blank Team Member Joined: Jun 2001  CA, USA Posts: 2066 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post

Posted: 1/17/2005 8:30:50 PM Originally Posted By Gator: EEK! The cheapest milling machine at harborfreight $400 www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42976 Cheaper ones out there? I went to a local Harbor Freight store today. There was an even cheaper one at $295, but the turn wheels are made of plastic, they all look flimsy (including one linked above) and they are all made in China (surprise surprise). I have hard time believing these are capable of precision works. Better I save more money and buy a Grizzley.

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pogo Member Joined: Nov 2000  AK, USA Posts: 2023 Feedback: 100% (12) Link To This Post

Posted: 2/5/2005 12:57:06 AM Originally Posted By BB: Originally Posted By QCMGR: The following tools are required to build the KT Ordnance KT-15 lower receiver assembly. 1. A Drill Press; (A cheap drill press will do. A $50 or $60 drill press is perfectly adequate) 2. A small milling machine; (One can use a drill press and an X-Y table in lieu of the milling machine. However, special care is needed. This will be explained in the section entitled: “Magazine Catch Slot Machining”.) I would think that if you had a mill, you wouldn't need a drill press. The drill press would be helpful for chasing the buffer tube threads and some of the vertical drilling operations. Some of those operations are tight on space on a full sized Bridgeport.

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w_houle Member Joined: Feb 2005  KS, USA Posts: 4 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post

Posted: 2/15/2005 3:30:13 PM [Last Edit: 2/15/2005 4:30:05 PM by w_houle] Originally Posted By QCMGR: Chapter 4: Drilling the Receiver holes: With the buffer tube hole tapped, you are now ready to drill the receiver holes. There are a few important things to keep in mind. 1. The quality of your work depends heavily on your tools. Do not use cheap Chinese drill bits. You must acquire the best drill bits available. The bits available from MSC are first class and you should consider ordering them if you cannot easily find proper drill bits. Do not buy cheap, common drill bits at your local hardware store! I made this mistake with my first build. From now on, I only use top quality US-made drill bits. 2. Before drilling anything, make sure that your drill press spins truly. Inspect the press to see if the spinning drill bit wobbles. You should get a new drill press if your press is a “wobbler”. 3. Do not even think of using a hand drill to finish your receiver. It can be done, but trust me---it is generally a very bad idea to forego a drill press. 4. If you plan to use your drill press to mill the magazine slot, make sure to drill your receiver holes first. The importance of this step cannot be overstated. With the above caveats out of the way, let’s discuss the drilling. Ensure that the jig is clamped inside a drill press vise. The vise is orientated so that the drill bit can enter the pilot holes located on the side of the jig. Drill the selector hole with a 3’8” bit. Drill slowly and carefully; use lots of cutting oil. You must drill through both sides of the receiver. The drill should operate at slow to medium speed. The hammer-pin and trigger-pin holes are both drilled with a 5/32” drill bit. The front and rear takedown pin holes are both drilled with a ¼” drill bit. With all of these holes, you must drill through both sides of the receiver. I say again: Use lots of cutting oil. The final hole to be drilled is the rear trigger-guard-pin hole. This hole is drilled with a 1/8” drill bit. Drill this hole through both sides of the receiver. Be careful! Do not apply excess force; if you do so, damage can result to the trigger guard area. Do not drill the left front of the trigger guard area! The front of the trigger guard only has one hole; this hole is located on the right side of the receiver. In summary: 1. Make sure that the jig screws are tight before the drilling begins. Make sure that the jig is still perfectly aligned. Do not remove the receiver from the jig once drilling has begun. 2. Use a drill press to drill the holes. 3. Inspect your drill press to ensure that it spins truly. 4. Do not use a hand drill. 5. Use lots of cutting oil. 6. The drill should operate at slow to medium speed. 7. Use only quality drill bits. 8. If you must use the drill press to mill the magazine release slot, make sure that you drill the receiver holes first. 9. Work carefully and slowly. Once the drilling is done, the receiver is almost complete. OK not trying to nit pick here but are you calling for a 3’8” drill bit or a 3/8" drill bit because I have nothing to accomidate an almost 4 foot drill bit

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Harlow Member Joined: Jan 2005  UT, USA Posts: 1 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post

Posted: 2/17/2005 2:09:10 AM I have a pretty simple question for you all. I am pretty excited to build my own AR-15. Plus I have never built my own rifle before. I looked at the KT-15 from KT Ordinance and then looked at the price. So let me get this straight The KT-15 is $200. I was looking on Bushmasters web site and found Bushmasters XM15 E2S Stripped Lower Receiver for $184 Suggested Retail and The Bushmaster XM15 E2S Complete Lower Receiver for $259. It seems that it would be cheaper to buy the Bushmaster Reciever and not have to finish it your self. Or am I missing the point here? Would there be any benifits by using the KT-15? Thanks It is good to be apart of this group. Harlow

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BB Recovering Gunaholic Team Member Joined: Feb 2001  USA Posts: 1145 Feedback: 100% (40) Link To This Post	Posted: 2/17/2005 7:39:55 AM No. Get a lower from DSA, $25. More steps involved since it's not an 80% lower, but hey, if youve got a mill you might as well.
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Harlow Member Joined: Jan 2005  UT, USA Posts: 2 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 2/19/2005 3:54:57 PM Thanks for the reply BB , I will have to Check out the DSA's, thats a good point. I have an access to a mill at work plus they also do anodizing. All in all it should not be to hard. Plus there is also the tannery shop I have been looking at. Thanks for the info I will look it up right now. Harlow
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brian_martin Member Joined: Mar 2005  MD, USA Posts: 2 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post

Posted: 3/16/2005 10:32:36 AM cncgunsmithing not only offers a very reasonably priced receiver jig, but they also document (with photos) the production of a receiver from a solid block. In conjunction with the tutorial, above, the cncgunsmithing documentation should provide you with sufficient information to allow you to turn a DSA casting into a complete lower receiver. http://www.cncgunsmithing.com/projects/ar15lower.html

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Dace Member Joined: Feb 2005  AZ, USA Posts: 701 Feedback: 100% (14) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/21/2005 9:12:09 PM www.cncgunsmithing.com/projects/ar15lower.html
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ar15club Member Joined: Aug 2005  FL, USA Posts: 2 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/26/2005 2:09:56 AM I gues i had some extra time and i PDFed Building the KT-15 - By Secret Gunsmith for viewing use adobe acrobat reader (FREE) from ADOBE.com documents are .ZIPed you can use UnZIPping tools from here or use WinRAR or WinACE Building The KT-15 By Secret Gunsmith Mujahadeen AR-15
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cwickgo9 Member Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 38 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post

Posted: 11/25/2005 1:01:19 PM Originally Posted By Harlow: I have a pretty simple question for you all. I am pretty excited to build my own AR-15. Plus I have never built my own rifle before. I looked at the KT-15 from KT Ordinance and then looked at the price. So let me get this straight The KT-15 is $200. I was looking on Bushmasters web site and found Bushmasters XM15 E2S Stripped Lower Receiver for $184 Suggested Retail and The Bushmaster XM15 E2S Complete Lower Receiver for $259. It seems that it would be cheaper to buy the Bushmaster Reciever and not have to finish it your self. Or am I missing the point here? Would there be any benifits by using the KT-15? Thanks It is good to be apart of this group. Harlow To me, the benefits are many: satisfaction from doing it yourself, learning more about the fit and function of the firearm, builds technical skills, increases hand-eye coordination, gives you a project you and your child can work on together, gets you out of the house, and best of all NO FREAKIN NAME AND SERIAL NUMBER ON SOME #*&%$# FEDERAL FORM

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Sudo Member Team Member Joined: Jun 2006  OR, USA Posts: 147 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 10/26/2007 10:41:28 PM can you SBR an 80% lower?
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yoteslaya Member Joined: Oct 2007  IN, USA Posts: 517 Feedback: 100% (12) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/2/2007 8:50:35 PM Where can you buy the receivers?
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wyoboy Member Joined: Aug 2007  WY, USA Posts: 27 Feedback: 100% (27) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/9/2007 11:25:19 PM you can't any more, atf took them to court and they can't, won't sell untill court decides. this is going on 2 yrs I think. go to their site and read about it. You can get 80% receivers other places though, just not the bolt together. those were
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G21NE Member Joined: Jul 2001  NE, USA Posts: 4 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 2/4/2008 5:34:29 PM I just saw the site and pics of the bolt-together lower-as I understand it you still had to drill the trigger and hammer pin holes, correct? And on the regular 80% lowers, it looked like the holes were located and center-punched or at least marked-is that what got them in hot water with BATFE?
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G21NE Member Joined: Jul 2001  NE, USA Posts: 14 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 5/29/2008 12:48:11 PM Any updates? I would be money ahead by just getting a stripped lower thru an FFL, but there is the attraction of building it myself...
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Maryland_Shooter Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2008  MD, USA Posts: 2582 Feedback: 100% (259) Link To This Post	Posted: 11/8/2008 8:11:47 PM Originally Posted By DefenderofLiberty: KT Ordnance is a good source for "80% recievers" to build your own KT15 (AR15), 1911, KT228 (Sig P228), etc. I own all 3 of these. Check out his website, and if you decide to order something from him, tell him Defender of Liberty told you about it. No AR forgings at the site.
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dump Member Joined: Sep 2002  OH, USA Posts: 12 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post

Posted: 11/18/2008 2:37:30 PM Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter: Originally Posted By DefenderofLiberty: KT Ordnance is a good source for "80% recievers" to build your own KT15 (AR15), 1911, KT228 (Sig P228), etc. I own all 3 of these. Check out his website, and if you decide to order something from him, tell him Defender of Liberty told you about it. No AR forgings at the site. follow link click on 60% firearm kits click on product scroll down till you see the link for the cnc gunsmithing mini set-up jig click it the page that comes up has everything that you need for finishing and getting a lower.

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blainet Member Joined: Jan 2009  MI, USA Posts: 6 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 3/6/2009 11:38:37 PM 80% are available here now
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