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Posted: 6/20/2012 5:55:19 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I am looking to mount it on my DD Omega X midlength rail. One issue I have with this rail is the front screws near the muzzle that secure the two halves together. My larue offset is set on the 3 O'clock rail and angled upward (as opposed to downward toward the bottom of the rail) and I activate the light with my support hand thumb as I grasp the left side of the rail and my thumb rests over the top rail. Because the Inforce WML is not offset in anyway and has a much lower profile, I'm not sure I'll be able to reach it on the right hand side with my thumb. This doesn't really matter, I'll figure that out if/when I get it. My concern is the front screws of the DD rail. With my Larue mount, the cross bar that runs through the mount to prevent any fore and aft movement, will not slide into the picatinny notch because the screw does not screw in deep enough. This has been a problem with all of my DD 2-peice rails. If you look at pictures of the rail, the screw is oriented in the 3rd picatinny notch from the muzzle end of the rail; essentially rendering it a useless mounting point. So my larue mount won't sit flush to the end of the rail. I either have to bring it back 1 notch and have the light just a little too far back for my liking, or mount it 1 notch forward and have half of the mount hanging off the front of the rail. How many spaces does the WML cover, total? Also, of those spaces, which notch does the crossbar sit into? Example: It looks to cover 6 notches and the cross bar sits in the 3rd notch from the front (if that makes sense). Would I be able to mount the WML flush to the front of the rail or will the crossbar line up with the damn screw head and force me into another situation of moving it forward or back a notch? Honestly, because I'm getting tired of this issue with these screw heads, I may even get a new rail. I like the Omega X rails for the QD cups but I may just get a Lite rail and buy a mount with QD cup. Thanks for your help to a long-winded question that is probably confusing. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:15:05 AM
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ShadowAngel
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:23:43 AM
I'll look when I get home from work and let you know.
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NUCdt04
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:32:34 AM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 9:33:02 AM by NUCdt04]
Originally Posted By sturmjr:
How many spaces does the WML cover, total? - 8 of the "bars" - what I mean is, from the front of my DD Omega (not X) rail- the back of the light sits ON the 8th bar - so 7 notches Also, of those spaces, which notch does the crossbar sit into? Example: It looks to cover 6 notches and the cross bar sits in the 3rd notch from the front (if that makes sense). the crossbar is in the 3rd notch from the front (light side)
Would I be able to mount the WML flush to the front of the rail or will the crossbar line up with the damn screw head and force me into another situation of moving it forward or back a notch? I'll need to look at the rail - hold on while I find a pic
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NUCdt04
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:37:58 AM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 9:42:33 AM by NUCdt04]
screw it - you get a pic - it's easier.....
where it sits on my rifle
 and, sitting one slot up - with the cross bar over the screwhead
 soon as my tablet uploads them
it looks like the X rail has the screw 3 spaces back instead of 2 like I have..... my light does sit over the notch with the screw fwiw - I don't know how far down yours sits (screw head) but mine is recessed enough that it's no problem
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sturmjr
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:28:16 PM
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
screw it - you get a pic - it's easier..... where it sits on my rifle and, sitting one slot up - with the cross bar over the screwhead soon as my tablet uploads them it looks like the X rail has the screw 3 spaces back instead of 2 like I have..... my light does sit over the notch with the screw fwiw - I don't know how far down yours sits (screw head) but mine is recessed enough that it's no problem Brother.......I could kiss you 
Thanks a metric F load for all of that work. I really appreciate it. Today is like my WML happy day. I woke up and had a sticky note on my computer screen; my wife had ordered the WML this morning as a birthday gift from my MIL. Then, I got a PM from Matt at Inforce with help. Now, I got your first post which was clear as day, then those pictures just in case I was totally Derp'd. Thanks a lot, man. That helps a ton. I'm very excited to get mine next week.  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:48:47 PM
Originally Posted By sturmjr: Originally Posted By NUCdt04: screw it - you get a pic - it's easier..... where it sits on my rifle
and, sitting one slot up - with the cross bar over the screwhead
soon as my tablet uploads them
it looks like the X rail has the screw 3 spaces back instead of 2 like I have..... my light does sit over the notch with the screw fwiw - I don't know how far down yours sits (screw head) but mine is recessed enough that it's no problem Brother.......I could kiss you Thanks a metric F load for all of that work. I really appreciate it. Today is like my WML happy day. I woke up and had a sticky note on my computer screen; my wife had ordered the WML this morning as a birthday gift from my MIL. Then, I got a PM from Matt at Inforce with help. Now, I got your first post which was clear as day, then those pictures just in case I was totally Derp'd. Thanks a lot, man. That helps a ton. I'm very excited to get mine next week. my pleasure it's a great little light.... enjoy! |
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sturmjr
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:58:12 PM
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
Originally Posted By sturmjr:
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
screw it - you get a pic - it's easier..... where it sits on my rifle and, sitting one slot up - with the cross bar over the screwhead soon as my tablet uploads them it looks like the X rail has the screw 3 spaces back instead of 2 like I have..... my light does sit over the notch with the screw fwiw - I don't know how far down yours sits (screw head) but mine is recessed enough that it's no problem Brother.......I could kiss you
Thanks a metric F load for all of that work. I really appreciate it. Today is like my WML happy day. I woke up and had a sticky note on my computer screen; my wife had ordered the WML this morning as a birthday gift from my MIL. Then, I got a PM from Matt at Inforce with help. Now, I got your first post which was clear as day, then those pictures just in case I was totally Derp'd. Thanks a lot, man. That helps a ton. I'm very excited to get mine next week. my pleasure it's a great little light.... enjoy! I'm excited. I like it's features and design. I think it will be a much better set up over a big mount and full size flash light. Thanks again for taking all of that time......I really do appreciate it. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:58:08 AM
Impact Weapons Components has been running a WML for a few weeks for R&D.
I really like the light. Stay tuned for updates! MOUNT-N-SLOT |
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sturmjr
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Posted: 6/23/2012 4:22:42 PM
Originally Posted By MOUNT-N-SLOT:
Impact Weapons Components has been running a WML for a few weeks for R&D. I really like the light. Stay tuned for updates! MOUNT-N-SLOT Awesome! Can't wait to hear your results. Mine comes Tuesday |
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sturmjr
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Posted: 6/23/2012 4:29:13 PM
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
my pleasure it's a great little light.... enjoy! Hey, I noticed your member day is coming up next month (my birthday month). Please don't renew between now and next Monday. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 10:33:37 PM
Which mOdel did you order? The IR?
The wml is an awesome little light. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:49:42 PM
I have one of these with the momentary switch back-ordered from Brownells. I wish they'd hurry up, I'm anxious to get this thing because I think it's going to be the best 'cheap' solution for my MRP CQB setup.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:30:25 PM
I'm torn between one of these and a vampire... With only a 25 vis lumen difference it's hard to not take the plunge... In my role it's IR power is great for cqb I'm just freakin torn!!! Anyone have some insight?
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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:33:19 PM
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Your not going to notice the 25 lumens, the wml uses one battery versus 2, it weighs less than the m300, and it's Ir capability is awesome. You will not have buyers remorse!
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sturmjr
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Posted: 6/27/2012 7:12:10 PM
Originally Posted By sgwlower:
Which mOdel did you order? The IR? The wml is an awesome little light. Yea I got the one with the IR. I don't have, and probably never will own NV unless I win the lotto. But.....for an extra $20, WTF not? It really is an awesome little light. So much lighter than my Larue mount and Elzetta light. Not brighter but certainly lighter. The features are also great. I never liked having to cycle through high/low or low/high with my SF E2D but that's the beauty of this light; you don't have to go into low if you don't want to. The integral, toolless mount is a great plus. There's not really anything else you could ask for. IR if you want, not if you don't. High/low/strobe without having to cycle between them all. I just have to get used to the double click and click within 2 seconds because sometimes when I attempt to go into low, I hit it too fast and go into strobe. It is amazing to me that they're able to "program?" the lights to have them work based on clicks and timing.....pretty slick. Plus it looks cool. |
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sturmjr
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Posted: 6/27/2012 7:19:42 PM
Originally Posted By sgwlower:
Your not going to notice te 25 lumens, the wml uses o be bar versus 2, it weighs less than the m300, and it's Ir capability is awesome. You will not have buyers remorse! None! And the weight is key. I don't even notice it on there. I'd keep my Larue mount and Elzetta on at all times during storage just to be ready, but I'd take them off every time I went to shoot and they weren't needed. The WML is less than half the weight. My wife's food scale is usually pretty dead on with mfg listed weights of gun related items. The Larue offset and Elzetta (which is a fantastic combo....just heavy) was at 7.9oz with batteries. The WML with batterY is 3.1oz. It's a pretty significant difference. When I first started my AR building, weight wasn't a factor; it just had to be the coolest shit. It didn't take too long to evolve out of that mentality. |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 10:17:27 PM
Originally Posted By sturmjr:
I just have to get used to the double click and click within 2 seconds because sometimes when I attempt to go into low, I hit it too fast and go into strobe. That's exactly why I'm getting the one with just the single mode and momentary switch...no worries about mode, just on or off. |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 10:31:17 PM
See I like the strobe that's really the only thing stopping me from buying one. I don't want low power I want full power on and strobe. Almost tlr1s ish where two quick bumps gives the strobe that I can hold in momentary mode.
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sturmjr
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:35:16 PM
Originally Posted By tuffcop07:
See I like the strobe that's really the only thing stopping me from buying one. I don't want low power I want full power on and strobe. Almost tlr1s ish where two quick bumps gives the strobe that I can hold in momentary mode. That's the tailcap option that I have for my Elzetta. What I like about their tailcaps over my SF E2D is that you either have it tightened all the way and it is ALWAYS on high, or you twist counter clockwise just 1/4 turn and it is always strobe (or low depending on the tailcap). I have 3 Elzettas (2 high/low and 1 high/strobe) and they are fantastic. They feel so much sturdier than my SF. Actually, about 20 minutes ago, I picked one of them up and dropped it onto the wood frame of my bed, perfectly flat, face down. I didn't even think twice as I picked it up. I still have them scratch free but have no concern about them breaking from impact; especially after watching the videos of them being shot with birdshot, smashed against a steel hatch cover, and used to pound in nails.
Anyway, that's getting off topic from the thread. I understand completely what you mean. I wouldn't doubt in the future that Inforce makes other models with high/strobe only function. I guarantee I would buy it. I don't need a low mode on my AR as it's either bright for identification or strobe for disorientation; I don't need low for navigation. But for now, it's kind of an all or none thing. The features are great and it is VERY versatile. Yes, I would also prefer to not have to worry about accidental activation of another mode. It also makes it complicated to operate and makes you need much repetitive training to get the memory down on hitting that switch just right for your intended mode. It's a little much for just a light that's being utilized on a rifle as it's the last thing you want to worry about at the time you are using it. Still, I have found its advantages over strapping a 'full size' (funny how small our considered full size lights are) 2-cell CR123 FL, outweigh its setbacks. Hope you find what works best for you. We all know that is an individual choice and always so hard to determine with so many options out there.  |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:36:20 PM
[Last Edit: 6/28/2012 9:37:21 PM by sturmjr]
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
it's a great little light.... enjoy! Hey.....thanks again for the help, you sexy son of a bitch.  |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:09:12 PM
Originally Posted By sturmjr: Originally Posted By NUCdt04: it's a great little light.... enjoy! Hey.....thanks again for the help, you sexy son of a bitch. you sir, are both a gentleman and a scholar If you ever get this far east (philly) let me know....... drinks and dinner are on me
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sturmjr
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Posted: 6/29/2012 5:34:56 PM
[Last Edit: 6/29/2012 8:07:17 PM by sturmjr]
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
Originally Posted By sturmjr:
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
it's a great little light.... enjoy! Hey.....thanks again for the help, you sexy son of a bitch. you sir, are both a gentleman and a scholar If you ever get this far east (philly) let me know....... drinks and dinner are on me
I appreciate it. But it was the time and effort you put in that was gentlemanly. Thanks again! ETA: If you play your cards right, I'll send you some pics of my own.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 5:44:56 PM
This thread is fabulous!
Seriously though, it's set in stone I'm getting a WML. |
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Posted: 7/3/2012 4:56:53 AM
Wish Inforce would make one that tucked in between the rails at 10:30/1:30 with a flat switch. I've heard the angled switch can be finicky to activate.
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Posted: 7/3/2012 6:57:13 AM
Originally Posted By bigkracka:
Wish Inforce would make one that tucked in between the rails at 10:30/1:30 with a flat switch. I've heard the angled switch can be finicky to activate. Who you heard it from had wierd hands then. I have activated mine using my thumb at 9 and 12, middle finger under the rail at 3, and knuckle at 6 o'clock. Unless you have burger king small hands the light is exceptionally easy to use. |
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