Originally Posted By E__WOK:


How exactly are individual soldiers less trained than groups of soldiers???

Originally Posted By dhs_hsi:

I gave you concrete examples of why reasonable people think the lasers should be restricted. You gave me zero reasons of why they should, throwing out "plenty of legitimate uses" without actually giving any, just as how you know of "plenty of LE agencies that have sold their lasers" to civilians without any facts to back up your claims. Give me a few of these legitimate applications that could not be done just as well with something cheaper and more practical. So far I'm not convinced.

Originally Posted By dhs_hsi: Why is it not illegal to be in the US illegally? (the law does not make being in the U.S. without status illegal but makes entering the country via a port of entry without valid documentation illegal).

Originally Posted By wyager:


1. Self Defense. It's a lot easier to put a dot on someone than to line up ironsights when you're freaking out and someone is trying to kill you.
2. Easier target acquisition in general (for pest control especially). Same as above.
3. Shooting in the dark.
4. Because we want them. A Ferrari is more dangerous than a Hyundai, for example. But because we, as Americans, want to own them, we are allowed to. The government does not have the right to tell us we can't.


I don't believe the reasons you gave are enough. I already explained that more powerful lasers are available to anyone who wants them for a fraction of the cost, so most of your arguments are meaningless.

Originally Posted By Aceecaus:


You obviously aren't legacy INS as there are MANY other ways to be illegally in this country simply without simple non-entry through a POE without valid docs. This, on top of your other "arguments," don't lend too much credence to your reasoning behind ownership of Class III lasers.

Just because the FDA, who regulates and doesn't enforce, says one thing is bad for you doesn't make it scripture.

Originally Posted By dhs_hsi:


No, I am not legacy INS. Obviously there are other ways to be in violation such as overstaying a visa but I was not going to get into every aspect of the INA. I used the most common violation which is hopping across the border without valid documentation.

I'm not sure why people are intent on trying to convince me that the FDA shouldn't have the authority to regulate these lasers. Like I previously stated, I only care about stolen Government property. The current situation is that 99.9% of military lasers in the civilian market are stolen, end of story.

Originally Posted By Mr_Psmith:
Special Agent Wu,

Although I disagree with the regulatory restrictions placed on these products, I appreciate your argument that the units in question are likely stolen. Thank you for dropping by to comment in an official capacity.

Regards
Mr. Psmith
(the P is silent)

Originally Posted By dhs_hsi:
You are welcome. I recall in the eighties and nineties that I had questions about the import of Airsoft guns and mock suppressors and always wished that I could get a response from the ATF or U.S. Customs to authoritatively state what I needed to do to import the items legally. Some people said red paint on the barrel, some people said that wasn't required because it's not a toy but a BB gun. Some people said trademarks had to be destroyed, others said putty or taping over the trademarks would work. The point is, it was a mess. I see the same confusion with military lasers and felt that since I actually know the situation first hand it would benefit the community by letting people know what is legal and what isn't. Eventually I hope to reach a point in which the majority of people interested in lasers know that military lasers are practically certain to be stolen.
For those who would still like an IR laser, the class I DBAL is perfectly legal.

Also, while off topic, please spread the word that military items like range finders, lasers, riflescopes, weapon mounts, night vision and thermal devices, radios, etc. are ITAR controlled and cannot be exported without a State Department Approved export license. I still see people every day selling our military superiority to our enemies abroad. NOT.COOL.

Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids:


no the one i saw was a real no shit CCI item. you could buy a car for what it sold for

Originally Posted By 18E3V:
Soooo, it's been more than a week and still no answer on that unit on GB? I guess if someone was pulled over and a police officer saw one of these evil laser devices, then what, he can't even check to see if it 's stolen or not in a timely manner..... I mean really?

I am still of the belief that most of these units on EE and GB are either private contractors selling these things or people finding ways to buy them in say Canada and just driving them across the border.

My main reason for that: I count EVERY G0* D@>< SERIAL-NUMBERED ITEM IN MY COMPANY, EVERY G0* D@>< WEEK OR SO! How any friggin' soldier/sailor/airman/marine could possibly get away with dozens and dozens of these 3000$ units is not even something that I could imagine. I did a little check, and there are on average 12 or so sold per month on EE?? Really, CID / NCIS / FBI ain't that incompetent??