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Posted: 5/27/2006 11:41:37 AM
It is totally due to the frequency of the light rays. The closer that you get to the visible spectrum the more likely that there will be bleed through of some visible light . Although power is also a factor in what you will see, be very careful because you may see a faint dot with a near visible laser that is pumping out so much energy that just the reflection off of the wall can damage your unprotected eyes.
We have lasers that go well above 5 watts in use on some large weapon systems that you would not see if you looked right into it but you would feel your eyes burning out. This type of laser was described as being used by the Soviets against the Afghani people back in the Soviet occupation. We issue laser safe goggles to our Soldiers to protect against the 50-150mW power level common on the battlefield. A 100mW aiming laser looks like a light saber out to several miles on a dark night through a PVS 14. All in all use extreme caution when using IR lasers since the chance of being flashed by one is so great because without NV you will not see it scanning toward you. I am so glad that we have this technology because it gives our Soldiers the edge over the enemy. And with their use we provide lots of training. If you really want to use these a lot please email me and i will hook you up with a recruiter. The Army Owns the Night God bless America Very Respectfully, David, South West Asia |
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Posted: 5/27/2006 12:32:52 PM
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David, now that is a GREAT recruiting pitch!!  It would also make a great Army recruitment comercial with 150mW light sabers slicing through the battlefiled sky!  Be safe out there!Vic  |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 9:29:12 PM
What if Im active Army and want to buy one? |
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Posted: 7/3/2006 1:18:28 PM
Good luck. I'm an LEO and would like to purchase a DBAL A2 to use on duty but due to Laser Devices policies I have not had any luck in purchasing one from a dealer. Apparently they are agency purchase only. It seems Laser Devices and their dealers are missing out on a lot of business by excluding individual officer purchase.
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Posted: 7/3/2006 2:10:11 PM
Drop me a line or email.... |
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Posted: 7/15/2006 12:28:52 PM
I love the pics of all your exotic equipment. Some systems look like they need a small trailer to pull through the woods. But ironically wouldn't it be sad if some gang banger with a .22 rifle and iron sights got in a lucky shot while we're trying to unlimber our $4,000.00 rigs and 5,000 rounds of exotic ammo? Such is the real possibility.
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Posted: 8/17/2006 8:44:52 AM
Awesome thread, guys. Thanks for everyone's effort putting it together.
Unfortunately, I believe the info we've seen thus far assumes a good bit of existing knowledge, which civilians in particular (like myself) may not have. I'll throw out what I've learned so far, but can those of you that know this stuff please critique or add? I'll go back and edit this post as appropriate.... Terminology: OTAL = "Offset Tactical Aiming Laser" The OTAL mounts behind the front sight on M-16 or M-4 style rifles and the laser is offset to project around the front sight. ITAL = "Inline Tactical Aiming Laser" The ITAL mounts on flat top rifles or on a barrel mounted rail and the laser aligns with the center of the barrel. MOLAD = "Multi-Operational Aiming Laser Device" Typically a tactical flashlight/IR illuminator combined with visible and infrared aiming lasers. D-LAP = Dual Laser (typically combination of IR/visible) S-LAP = Single Laser Models: (admittedly, I'm focusing on the civilian-obtainable ones here) AN/PAQ-4C (in EE for $1,200) PAQ-4C (clones for $275 on eBay) D-LAP Dual Aiming Laser (Vis & IR) clone ($500 on eBay) S-LAP IR Laser clone ($275 on eBay) LAM 10M (EE for $700) ** I'll add some specs and advantages/disadvantages as I get time and input ** Considerations: Type: Obviously inline or closer to the bore is best, as any angle introduced between the barrel and laser will be aggravated by distance. I'm still trying to figure out which models would work around suppressors, too. Power: Military articles often call for more power for leaders (1000 mW?) with the squad using typical PAQ4-level devices. One would think PAQ4-level (1 to 3 mW?) power would suffice for individuals. Supportability: It has been pointed out that current issue gear is going to be more supportable (parts and expertise to repair) than a rarer model. I would also contend that it will be more likely viewed as stolen, too, so a legit owner will want to maintain paper trail. I will note that I am leaning towards purchasing a few clones on eBay at the moment. I understand there are some weaknesses, and am planning to swap out adjustment screws for example. I am also interested in anyone that has a lead on how to mount one of these systems to an MP5 with a suppressor. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 9:08:57 AM
This is from the night vision forum.I thought it belonged here too:
I have had good luck with the L.D. knock offs once I make a few mods. First replace the mount with a Larue 17s replacement( you will need to drill another hole in the mount) Second, you will need to replace the turrents with a stud, nut and locking washer.To do so, remove the turrent protectors(use a razor blade to lift them off, as they are glued on)Then unscrew the keeper plates.Remove the turrent and bolt.Replace the bolt with a stud(metric from a REAL hardware store)followed by a locking washer and finally the nut.Reinstall the keeper plates. To adjust, slightly loosing nut, adjust stud, and retighten nut.I will post pics tomorrw.   |
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Posted: 9/18/2006 12:55:46 AM
Here is a picture of my ISM by Insight Technology. In the low power mode, the IR laser and IR illuminator work fine for CQB work and there is very little blumming with my MUM Gen. III. When in a room that has no windows the defuser on the illuminator works great and floods the room with IR light so that the MUM sees clear in the room. The only down side is the front sight will shadow and you will see the shadow of the front sight off to your right front. When wearing a gas mask the visible red laser works great.
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Posted: 9/18/2006 5:16:25 PM
very nice , any more pics?
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Posted: 9/18/2006 8:35:25 PM
This is the only other picture that I have. I will try to take some photos using the lasers and looking through my MUM.
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Posted: 9/19/2006 11:17:43 PM
Here are a few pictures of my MUM and my PEQ-2A before I got my ISM.
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Posted: 9/27/2006 5:55:12 PM
Nice pics....Did ARMSs start selling 40's in tan? Gosh I'm behind the times I guess!
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Posted: 9/27/2006 9:27:44 PM
[Last Edit: 11/15/2006 3:38:09 PM by wes1]
Wow, very nice.
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Posted: 11/15/2006 2:44:28 PM
tag for info o the VITAL-2 and the PAC-4C
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Posted: 11/27/2006 11:37:48 PM
I am totally new to lasers and IR's so I have a question I hope someone can help me with. On the OTAL with the 635nM laser, I take it this is a visible type laser? I mean, do you see a red dot sitting on your target and nothing else (like my Glock tactical light and laser) or do you see a red beam of light all the way out to the target? I hope this isnt a stupid question, but I just don't know this stuff. Thanks.
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Posted: 11/28/2006 2:58:13 AM
Not a stupid question. A (visible spectrum) laser is the same as white light. You will see a beam if there is smoke, fog, etc. along it's path. Otherwise, no, you won't see the beam. And yes, 635nm is visible spectrum. |
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Posted: 11/28/2006 7:28:24 AM
[Last Edit: 12/3/2006 4:43:27 PM by Victor]
Adding to the visible beam question...Besides seeing the beam in foggy or smoke conditions, you will also see the beam very well with night vision equipment without any smoke or fog. Hope this helps.
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Posted: 11/28/2006 12:55:35 PM
Steven1513 and Victor, thanks very much as that helps greatly!
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Posted: 12/1/2006 10:58:05 PM
The paddle switch of the PAQ-4C works just fine [momentary position] on a DD handguard when mounted at the 12 o'clock position, even with Mapul low profile rail covers in place. In fact, it activates even when the laser is mounted far enough back where the paddle is over the handguard attachment nut [I prefer a magwell grip versus VFG or horizontal handguard hold]. The lead for the remote switch is indeed waaaay long to be particularly useful. As far as the "benefit" of the constant on switch position, it would only be useful in the handheld mode, as the unit would have to be mounted upside down for the switch to rotate that far when mounted on anything in a conventional fashion.  |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 12:59:49 PM
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Posted: 1/24/2007 11:59:04 PM
Hello all, great thread! I was wondering how much do you guys think it would cost to purchase an Atilla-200 new?
Is it legal to buy/sell one from/to an individual who has one? |
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Posted: 1/25/2007 11:54:27 AM
It's my understanding the ATILLAs are VERY rare in the civi market,it would command a premium price.(Well over $2,000) I would verify it's not stolen millitary equipment. |
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Posted: 1/25/2007 5:29:54 PM
[Last Edit: 1/25/2007 5:47:11 PM by fordfreek]
How would I verify it's not stolen? ETA: Did they ever sell them to the public? |
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