Originally Posted By ARMY30YEARSPLUS: That is an awesome weapon system. Thanks for sharing the photos. Do you know the power output of the laser? It reasons that if it is a military laser that the output may exceed what is normally available. I know the ones we have here in SWA are very powerful rated as high as 175mw IR output. Thanks again for your post. The Army Owns the Night God bless America Very Respectfully, David South West Asia

ARMY30YEARSPLUS,

I have no idea of the specs for this unit. And that really bugs me. I took Lanny's word on the units ability. When it showed up without any documentation I asked Lanny and he didn't recieve any info with them. I usually love knowing all about the stuff I own, but in this case I have to just be satisfied with the performance. Hell I don't even know what to call it to order another one.

BTW and most importantly thank you for your service! Wish I had more info for you.
Take care,
JWL

ElmerFudd,
You posted in this thread that someone sold you a two piece unit for your Corsak laser. Where can I get one and who makes it?

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=20&t=235434

Thanks for any help. I am stuck with a barrel mount and want a rail mount.

Bob

BTW- I am now a naturalized Texan and live near Austin. I really need to get hooked up with places to shoot at night. Can anyone make and recommendations?

Thanks! Freddy

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Originally Posted By ARMY30YEARSPLUS: What Generation intensifier tube does your D760 have. I have been so spoiled by PVS 7D tubes that I don't know if I can go back to anything of less quality in my civilian side of life. If you have any pictures that you can post it would add to the string we have been working on. The Army Owns the Night God bless America Very Respectfully David South West Asia

I don't think Fred will mind if I answer for him? I know for a fact all the
D-760's/740's I supply are ALL Gen III units. Suffice to say, I've not seen a Delta unit out there out perform one of our D-760's or 740's. NOT to say ther isn't a unit out there of course...BUT, when units such as these have tube specs such as a signal to noise of close to 30, photo reponses in the 2400-2700's range, these are VERY high performance tubes and it's hard to get much better. You can look on page 6 of this thread and also here.
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=209&t=148586

Just because you also asked, I'll save you some time. Here some incredible shots of the D-760.


1X PVS-14


6X D-760


'To get back on topic a bit here of illumination, here is the same shot BUT with a D-740 (4X). I used the IR Troch to light up a telephone pole transformer and some plam trees. Bout 250M. This is the FIRSt time I am showing this pic here. I WAS saving it, but since we were talking about illuminators I thought I would show it.


Btw, all these pics shown here were NOT taken with the help of the moon AND/OR starlight to that extent. It was a VERY hazy overcast evening.

Originally Posted By TX_Rancher: When I use the IR Illuminator on my ATN 6900, I noticed the wildlife often responded as if they saw the light. To check it out, I walked out ~60 yards and noticed I could see the illuminator. I moved out to 80 yards and could still see it. Have any of you gone down range to see if your IR illuminators are visible? I was looking into buying an ELR IR eliminator, but if it's visible, I might as well stay with my ATN. If the ELR is visible, are there any other options worth looking into? The majority of my shots are within 200 yards, and the 450 mW ATN works fine except for being visible to the wildlife.

I have not found any long range illuminator that is not visible (dim low red light) from the target end. I have played with almost a dozen different IR LED's that do not show any light but they are not ready for prime time. Focus is the main problem I have had.

With that being said, when I am looking around at night at wild game, I use my ITT 6015 to find the game in passive mode. I then illuminate to confirm the target, and then take the shot. If done carefully you can avoid spooking the game.

The unit from Lanny Leonard looks like a triangle made of three very small red lights down range but that little light is good out to hundreds of yards. It is an amazing little illuminator.

Bob

Bob:
Thanks for the feedback. I use a dual system for hunting, a MiNi 14 to spot the varmint, and then switch to my ATN Crusader (Gen 2) for the shot. Sometimes the IR doesn’t spook them, so I get plenty of time to place the shot.
I’ve also noticed, at least with wild hogs, if the light is coming from above ground it doesn’t seem to bother them much. When I’m in a tree blind, the illuminator doesn’t attract their attention, at least not much, and occasionally one will look up for a few seconds, then go back to whatever it was doing.
But if I’m on the ground, prone or sitting, it will get their attention just about every time. By the way, with my ATN prone is not a good position when using the IR, it tends to bloom the scope with the reflection from the ground/grass.
Dumping the Crusader and shifting to a D-740/760 would probably solve the issue for me. By far, the majority of my shots are in open fields just outside the tree line. I very rarely take shots into the woods. From the pictures I’ve seen posted of the D-740/760 scopes, I wouldn’t need the IR, where with my Crusader I need it whenever the moons not out (unless the shot is within ~50 yards, then starlight seems to be enough).
Having a momentary switch on the IR would be very helpful. My ATN is turned on by two pushbuttons on top of the illuminator. This adds ~ 1 ½ sec to making the shot. Not much in most cases, but if the animal spooks right away, it’s enough to spoil the shot.
Do you have a link with some information on the Lanny Leonard illuminator?


Victor:
I’m very interested in how your research into 940 nm turns out. My ATN illuminator puts out considerably more then a faint red glow, at least in my opinion. I may still try the ELR and see if it gives off less visible light.
When do you think you will have your results and a product on the market? Do you have any idea what the price would be?
What type of scope will your Alaska customer be using to test your prototype illuminator? I assume Gen 3 or above…

Originally Posted By TX_Rancher: Dumping the Crusader and shifting to a D-740/760 would probably solve the issue for me. By far, the majority of my shots are in open fields just outside the tree line. I very rarely take shots into the woods. From the pictures I’ve seen posted of the D-740/760 scopes, I wouldn’t need the IR, where with my Crusader I need it whenever the moons not out (unless the shot is within ~50 yards, then starlight seems to be enough). Victor: I’m very interested in how your research into 940 nm turns out. My ATN illuminator puts out considerably more then a faint red glow, at least in my opinion. I may still try the ELR and see if it gives off less visible light. When do you think you will have your results and a product on the market? Do you have any idea what the price would be? What type of scope will your Alaska customer be using to test your prototype illuminator? I assume Gen 3 or above…

You're correct about the D760's and 740's very rarely do I need any type of illumination.

The 940 I am testing it still VERY early in the development stage. No time frame if and when it will be produced. A 2 deg model is also being looked at with a range of 500+ thus far.

The Alaska customer is using a hand-select MUM for his game testing and is using my regular ELR (Da-Torch) Illuminator for his work, not the 940.

This weekend and next I will be conducting a very good comparison of 4 different illumininators out in the general market. They will consist of the following,

Surefire M1
Pentagon
ATN
ELR, (Da-Torch)

I would have conducted this test several months back if it were not for the 2 month wait for the PEntagon light. I will be posting the results on my industry forum. ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=2&f=209 Of course, lots of pics will follow the reviews. Hope this helps,

Vic

IMHO, The PAQ4 series just aint enough juice - it is fine for aiming -- but does not put out a lot to indicate tgts's -- for work I consider the PEQ-2 series to be th emin.

Ideally something with IR Laser and Illumin/flood plus a vis laser the IS 7500 version of the PEQ-2A I had was ideal for that -- now I want something in a Attila size with a vis light too....


Vic -- ordered - we shall see....

Okay, I'm the Alaskan guy Vic has referred to. I just purchased a MUM from Vic along with a few other items including (Da Torch) which I will comment on here as it seems to be Da Place to do it.
First off I want to thank Vic for all his advise and support which has been tops..
I've been out several times this last week testing out the equipment. Set Da Torch up on my Bushmaster last week and did a few small patrols with the NV gear up the valley I live in.. Terrain is a mix of spruce forest with occasional gravel bars along a river bed with a few nice open area's to call in.. First night out it was snowing pretty good. Hit Da Torch from a high bank and scanned river bed and opposite banks..50-200m range.. Da Torch totally penetrates da snow falling. I will say it is almost to bright for close in work but you already new that.. I wonder if a flip up IR hood could be used over Da Torch for close in stuff.. I also have an OTAL laser on my AR and by itself it really blooms with nightvision but if I hit Da Torch it knocks the blooming down significantly..
On second outing I did a little calling and spotted some eye's out around 200m in the brush but could not get more of a response than that. I have an EoTech and I'm finding its really only effective out to about 100m.. At this point I started feeling like I maybe should have purchased pvs-14 with a 3X magnifier for night hunting and game observation.. Courts still out on that.
A couple days later I drove out to a frozen lake in the mountains and set up a few targets at various ranges from 50m out to 300m. With Eo Tech and MUM I was nailing milk jugs every round out to 100m and from there it got sketchy.. Same thing with laser and MUM... with MUM, laser and Da Torch increased range a little but did notice that when the laser hit a piece of firewood I had put out at 150m it would reflect a little and was able to get some hits on that target but not consistant. Hooked the MUM and Da Torch up to my Leoupold spotting scope on 12X and with the laser I could easily engage targets with consistant hits out to 300m.. It was a little tricky as I had to keep readjusting the spotting scope to new targets but I think I could have easily hit a milk jug size target out to 400m.. Without Da Torch I was loosing so much light through the scope that I couldn't even see the targets out to 200m.. With Da Torch it wasn't even fair.. It would be fun to put the D-760 through a work out with Da Torch. Someday...
Sorry to be so long winded. Hope this gives some useful info for someone.. I'm new to nightvision and all the stuff that goes along with it but am excited to begin working with it.

Originally Posted By alaskasteve: Okay, I'm the Alaskan guy Vic has referred to. I just purchased a MUM from Vic along with a few other items including (Da Torch) which I will comment on here as it seems to be Da Place to do it. First off I want to thank Vic for all his advise and support which has been tops.. I've been out several times this last week testing out the equipment. Set Da Torch up on my Bushmaster last week and did a few small patrols with the NV gear up the valley I live in.. Terrain is a mix of spruce forest with occasional gravel bars along a river bed with a few nice open area's to call in.. First night out it was snowing pretty good. Hit Da Torch from a high bank and scanned river bed and opposite banks..50-200m range.. Da Torch totally penetrates da snow falling. I will say it is almost to bright for close in work but you already new that.. I wonder if a flip up IR hood could be used over Da Torch for close in stuff.. I also have an OTAL laser on my AR and by itself it really blooms with nightvision but if I hit Da Torch it knocks the blooming down significantly.. On second outing I did a little calling and spotted some eye's out around 200m in the brush but could not get more of a response than that. I have an EoTech and I'm finding its really only effective out to about 100m.. At this point I started feeling like I maybe should have purchased pvs-14 with a 3X magnifier for night hunting and game observation.. Courts still out on that. A couple days later I drove out to a frozen lake in the mountains and set up a few targets at various ranges from 50m out to 300m. With Eo Tech and MUM I was nailing milk jugs every round out to 100m and from there it got sketchy.. Same thing with laser and MUM... with MUM, laser and Da Torch increased range a little but did notice that when the laser hit a piece of firewood I had put out at 150m it would reflect a little and was able to get some hits on that target but not consistant. Hooked the MUM and Da Torch up to my Leoupold spotting scope on 12X and with the laser I could easily engage targets with consistant hits out to 300m.. It was a little tricky as I had to keep readjusting the spotting scope to new targets but I think I could have easily hit a milk jug size target out to 400m.. Without Da Torch I was loosing so much light through the scope that I couldn't even see the targets out to 200m.. With Da Torch it wasn't even fair.. It would be fun to put the D-760 through a work out with Da Torch. Someday... Sorry to be so long winded. Hope this gives some useful info for someone.. I'm new to nightvision and all the stuff that goes along with it but am excited to begin working with it.

Steve,

Thanks for the in-depth review. You have brought up so many important points to consider. The through the day optic light loss is substantial at high mag and indeed "Da-Torch" works extremely well to help this loss of precious light. Your synopsis on all this verifies for those who can afford it, a dedicated NV rifle scope pays high dividends!

The OTAL blooming is not suprising at all. I have a call into the laser dev. folks to confirm if they have a diffuser or a Optical Attenuator as they do for their IR systems.

Nice shooting btw, VERY nice in the dead of night!