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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:21:44 AM EDT
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The massive recall on their optics really hurt their reputation.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 6:13:25 AM EDT
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Nope not really. Not as much as some people would hope anyways. They're still as popular as ever. I'm pretty sure someone here or another forum spoke directly with a rep from Eotech and they said the recalls haven't really effected sells or profits significantly at all. Lot of recent reviews on many distributor sites and even opticsplanet has been having a hard time keeping fully stocked.
As far as real world applications go its still being used by many law enforcement and government agencies. Its the most common ive seen here in Afghanistan, not only on our Rangers and ODA personnel, but German, Hungarian SF, and Polish. Kind of makes me think of a contrast from another lawsuit, that was actually a big deal. GM products were killing people for 13yrs while they knew about it and hid the fact. But Americans kept buying and still are. I wonder how many individuals here drive GM and Chevy vehicles but scream treason at Eotech. The firearms industry is pretty unforgiving. Add the bandwagon of eotech haters that were around years before the thermal drift lawsuit even began + the mighty influential power of the internet and you would think L3 would have had a instant catostrophic failure. Not the case, as usual in context to keyboards vs real life. This is why I dont follow whats trending on the internet when trying to find what works best for myself. You also have to take account for all the individuals that have had zero issues. If 5 people have an issue with a product you may here about it from 2000 different individuals. If 50 people have had zero issues you probably wont hear about it at all. 
I'm also willing to bet there are more Vortex and Holosuns being sold in the civilian market than MROs and Micros. And with the 512 as low as $260 I'd say the same for Eotech. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 6:27:35 AM EDT
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Fake news
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Posted: 8/4/2017 7:28:16 AM EDT
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I like my Eotechs
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Posted: 8/4/2017 7:39:04 AM EDT
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I have owned 5 eotechs. 1 would not maintain zero, 1 faded to the point the reticle was not visible in daylight, and another was basically dead everywhere except the center. The models were 512, 553, and XPS, respectively. I love the window, i love the reticle, but they have had too many problems for me to even consider them anymore. Maybe they will fix the issues but it will take years to rebuild that trust. The thread title is actually quite punny based on my personal experience
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Posted: 8/4/2017 8:03:40 AM EDT
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I often find myself searching for what the "in" optic is. where did your exhaustive search take you, all across the internet?? All electronic optics shift. no question but a lot like to overlook it. I like the reticle, I like eotechs, I also like smaller optics., If anything, cheaper more robust chinese optics have played part in mainstream optics demise and will continue to do so |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 10:24:04 AM EDT
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Topic Moved
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:07:47 PM EDT
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It's a thing so feelings don't and shouldn't enter into it.
If it didn't have verified issues I would run one because I like the reticle and viewing window. I would probably still have one for a plinking gun too but not at the asking price. Not for something so prone to shit. That's the problem. No trust worthy enough for a true HD gun (imo, for me), too expensive for a plinker. So Holosun it is. Cheap, same reticle. Seemingly robust. At least for civi use. I'll be the first in line to buy a new xps if/when they truly get fixed. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:24:03 PM EDT
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When shopping for optics for my AR's, I often find myself searching for what the "in" optic is. SNIP... As for me, I'm rocking a Meprolight M5, because I'm probably a closet-hipster at heart. I'm an Aimpoint guy. PRO, H1, etc. Love them but I can see the appeal of the Eotech. Respectfully, do your research, find what works the best for your budget, and get it...don't worry about what's "in" or you'll be changing optics a lot! With that said, I do believe that Eotech has a large hill to climb to regain market share but I give them props for offering the refunds that they did. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:29:13 PM EDT
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Thread title made me think this was a delamination thread.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:38:09 PM EDT
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It's a thing so feelings don't and shouldn't enter into it. If it didn't have verified issues I would run one because I like the reticle and viewing window. I would probably still have one for a plinking gun too but not at the asking price. Not for something so prone to shit. That's the problem. No trust worthy enough for a true HD gun (imo, for me), too expensive for a plinker. So Holosun it is. Cheap, same reticle. Seemingly robust. At least for civi use. I'll be the first in line to buy a new xps if/when they truly get fixed. Eotech is STILL trustworthy enough for thousands of US service members in combat but not trustworthy enough to sit on your nightstand next to your bed? But you would put your life on a holoson optic? Lol Thanks for your contribution |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:13:39 PM EDT
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Thread title made me think this was a delamination thread. 
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:22:54 PM EDT
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Thread title made me think this was a delamination thread. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:53:00 PM EDT
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They're unreliable and not worth it. LPVO's rule the day for a huge application. RDS seems to be Aimpoint and Triji's market for value and reputation (Aimpoint leads in my eyes).
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:04:42 PM EDT
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I see more and more people looking at magnified optics lately like a 1-6x or 1-8x. I think people like the best of dot and magnification.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:21:10 PM EDT
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I like mine, works well. My dad has my old 512 that was purchased on 09, lives on the 50 Beowulf with no issues.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:55:58 PM EDT
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I used many of them years ago, even when they first came out. But they are heavy and boxy, so I went in different directions starting in 2010 with micro optics like the Aimpoint H-1, T-1, and recently some Trijicon MROs, etc. Nothing against EOTech. I never had any issues with the later ones, just some of the older AA based ones that would lose connection when firing heavier calibers.
Another reason I went with Aimpoints and Trijicons is battery life. EOtechs have the worst battery life of most optics and at best will last 1-2000 hours, where even the crappiest Aimpoint will last 30,000 hours. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:06:12 PM EDT
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Was an EOTech fan. Now that the AMG UH-1 is here...no need for me to support a company that knowingly let faulty tech go out to our soldiers. Whether there were or weren't issues - they knew the potential for problems was there. And if civilians were having issues with thermal drift, I guarantee you there were several having issues on mil issued rifles as well.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:42:52 PM EDT
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I like the concept behind the EOTech, I just don't particularly like the EOTech itself. The battery drain issue and the fuzzy nature of the reticle have never endeared me to the EOTech. The issues with holding zero is another negative.
The optic that has really caught my eye in recent months is the Holosun 510C. 
This little optic is everything I wish my EOTech 512 had been. It is compact. The reticle is very nice and crisp. It doesn't look like a ring of fuzzy dots, as is the case with the EOTech. It also has multiple reticles which include a 2 MOA dot with 65 MOA circle, just the 2 MOA dot (which is the one I prefer) and a 65 MOA circle without a center dot. One CR2032 battery is supposed to be able to power this thing for 50,000 hours when using just the 2 MOA dot, or about 20,000 hours with the circle and dot. It seems to be just as sturdy as the EOTech. And it comes with a QD mount. And you can get it for right around $300. Give me the Holsosun 510C over the EOTech any day. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:53:53 PM EDT
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I like the concept behind the EOTech, I just don't particularly like the EOTech itself. The battery drain issue and the fuzzy nature of the reticle have never endeared me to the EOTech. The issues with holding zero is another negative. The optic that has really caught my eye in recent months is the Holosun 510C. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yJvc31f7UBk/maxresdefault.jpg This little optic is everything I wish my EOTech 512 had been. It is compact. The reticle is very nice and crisp. It doesn't look like a ring of fuzzy dots, as is the case with the EOTech. It also has multiple reticles which include a 2 MOA dot with 65 MOA circle, just the 2 MOA dot (which is the one I prefer) and a 65 MOA circle without a center dot. One CR2032 battery is supposed to be able to power this thing for 50,000 hours when using just the 2 MOA dot, or about 20,000 hours with the circle and dot. It seems to be just as sturdy as the EOTech. And it comes with a QD mount. And you can get it for right around $300. Give me the Holsosun 510C over the EOTech any day. $285 at optics planet with 5% off sale. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:59:13 PM EDT
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Eotechs are still the most widely used optic possibly. SF in USA, Russia, Germany, the Baltics, Ukraine, Italy ect still widely use them.
I will not give the Chinese shit industry a cent of my hard earned money. People who help prop up Chinese military Technology suck, sorry. I swear people would but ISIS brand if it was available and cheap and feel not even a little sorry for it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:59:55 PM EDT
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Eotechs are still the most widely used optic possibly. SF in USA, Russia, Germany, the Baltics, Ukraine, Italy ect still widely use them.
I will not give the Chinese shit industry a cent of my hard earned money. People who help prop up Chinese military Technology suck, sorry. I swear people would buy ISIS brand if it was available and cheap and feel not even a little sorry for it. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 1:58:09 AM EDT
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Carried mine through 2 deployments, wouldn't trade it for any other red dot. They did the repair and it's as bright as it was brand new. Love the things
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Posted: 8/5/2017 11:24:29 AM EDT
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1x red dot scopes, that are big like EOTechs/MROs/Aimports have to a large extend been lapped by either 1x4 or 6 scopes, or micro dots like RMR's and such.
If you want something for close encouters, the micro dots give you a dot to put on your target without the tube effect and clutter up less of your view. If you want something for a bit longer range then the 1x4 scopes work far better, and since they have a built in crosshair a dead optic isn't a unless sight. I had 3, sent one back for a refund, and upgraded to a Leo 1.25 x 4 scope. Still have 2 - they work fine, but I woudn't but them again for the above reasons. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 12:20:30 PM EDT
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Eotechs are still the most widely used optic possibly. SF in USA, Russia, Germany, the Baltics, Ukraine, Italy ect still widely use them. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 10:36:11 PM EDT
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Eotechs are still the most widely used optic possibly. SF in USA, Russia, Germany, the Baltics, Ukraine, Italy ect still widely use them. I will not give the Chinese shit industry a cent of my hard earned money. People who help prop up Chinese military Technology suck, sorry. I swear people would buy ISIS brand if it was available and cheap and feel not even a little sorry for it. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:49:40 PM EDT
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I ride no band wagons so I'll keep and buy another Eotech. Love my Aimpoints too, as for the LPV's only time will tell if this is just a fad or a true revolution. Run what you want and fuck everybody else and their bullshit opinions............ Every new product is the shit and must have here till it's not, stick around and you shall see the stupidity and blind leading the blind to have the next greatest thing.................
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Posted: 8/6/2017 10:19:34 PM EDT
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Eotechs are still the most widely used optic possibly. edit: That being said, honestly, I'd buy an EOTech in a heartbeat if they came up with a model that even had half of the battery life of an Aimpoint Micro. bonusedit: But, that being said, I'd buy an Aimpoint Micro or CompM4 with a circle-dot reticle, even if it cut the battery life in half. If China can do it in the Holosun 503G (with a BDC, no less), surely the Swedes should be able to figure it out. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 2:08:03 AM EDT
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I ride no band wagons so I'll keep and buy another Eotech. Love my Aimpoints too, as for the LPV's only time will tell if this is just a fad or a true revolution. Run what you want and fuck everybody else and their bullshit opinions............ Every new product is the shit and must have here till it's not, stick around and you shall see the stupidity and blind leading the blind to have the next greatest thing................. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 2:15:56 AM EDT
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I have a feeling that Aimpoint and Trijicon may beg to differ on that. There a lot of CompM-series and ACOG optics out there, after all. edit: That being said, honestly, I'd buy an EOTech in a heartbeat if they came up with a model that even had half of the battery life of an Aimpoint Micro. bonusedit: But, that being said, I'd buy an Aimpoint Micro or CompM4 with a circle-dot reticle, even if it cut the battery life in half. If China can do it in the Holosun 503G (with a BDC, no less), surely the Swedes should be able to figure it out. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:23:27 PM EDT
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Why would they bother? It's the legendary reliability and battery life that sell Aimpoints. Not the reticle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a feeling that Aimpoint and Trijicon may beg to differ on that. There a lot of CompM-series and ACOG optics out there, after all. edit: That being said, honestly, I'd buy an EOTech in a heartbeat if they came up with a model that even had half of the battery life of an Aimpoint Micro. bonusedit: But, that being said, I'd buy an Aimpoint Micro or CompM4 with a circle-dot reticle, even if it cut the battery life in half. If China can do it in the Holosun 503G (with a BDC, no less), surely the Swedes should be able to figure it out. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:37:13 PM EDT
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I have an Eotech RDS. No shift in point of impact or point of aim. I have fired it in 90 degree and 10 degree farhenheit temperatures.
Unfortunately, fads even hold sway among male gun enthusiasts. I don't think of AR's as barbie dolls and I don't jump on the "fashionable, cool new gear" bandwagon. I will continue to put Eotech on my AR's and Leupold variables on my hunting rifles. Why? Because they are proven to work. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:41:00 PM EDT
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Agree. I'm not sure either pay much attention to EoT. If they do, not sure it's warranted time given their market and how well their optics are doing |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:32:03 PM EDT
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I like Eotech's. After reading the thread about parallax and POI shift, it made me wonder about how much this really impacts downrange accuracy. The Eotech's were clearly the ones with this least amount of parallax shift over Aimpoints, Trijicon and the others. The Eotech's also work better for me with my eyesight.
Regardless of the groupthink folks had about the tempature shift, I always assumed that most electronic optics might demonstrate this problem. None of these electronic optic companies uses proprietary technology and the materials are almost all the same. Also, never believed in reality it caused any problems. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:34:20 PM EDT
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I recently got the itch for something else for my sbr (had an aimpoint pro on it) and picked up an EXPS3-0. Its a June 2017 model and claims to have all of the issues fixed and thermal drift mitigated to other optics levels. Haven't been able to put it through its paces yet, but I really like it so far. Only thing I dislike is the windage and elevation adjustments aren't tactile at all.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:36:22 PM EDT
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Why would they bother? It's the legendary reliability and battery life that sell Aimpoints. Not the reticle. Alone or combined with a 3X magnifier, a normal Aimpoint dot makes perfect sense for 0-300ish yard use. You get a very durable, true 1x optic with a simple, daylight-bright reticle that doesn't require a perfect cheekweld. With the magnifier, you need a better cheekweld and you have to deal with TA31ish eye relief, but it's there when you need it. However, Aimpoint's new 6x magnifier, which one would think is Aimpoint's way of competing with 1-6x variables, seems like it could potentially benefit from a new Aimpoint with a reticle that includes drops. If the battery life may be decreased (adding, say, 1 moa drops for 300, 400, and 500 yards) by half, to 4 years for a M4S-BDC and 2.5 years for a T2-BDC, that would still be spectacular. Anyway, I'm just saying that I would be interested in such a product. I don't expect such a thing to necessarily become a reality. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:41:54 PM EDT
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I guess I'm looking at it from the perspective that LPVs are taking up more and more of the market share, especially with how bright the reticles can get (ex: Razor, P4xi) and how close to true 1x they can get. Alone or combined with a 3X magnifier, a normal Aimpoint dot makes perfect sense for 0-300ish yard use. You get a very durable, true 1x optic with a simple, daylight-bright reticle that doesn't require a perfect cheekweld. With the magnifier, you need a better cheekweld and you have to deal with TA31ish eye relief, but it's there when you need it. However, Aimpoint's new 6x magnifier, which one would think is Aimpoint's way of competing with 1-6x variables, seems like it could potentially benefit from a new Aimpoint with a reticle that includes drops. If the battery life may be decreased (adding, say, 1 moa drops for 300, 400, and 500 yards) by half, to 4 years for a M4S-BDC and 2.5 years for a T2-BDC, that would still be spectacular. Anyway, I'm just saying that I would be interested in such a product. I don't expect such a thing to necessarily become a reality. Having said that, Holosun's ACSS + magnifier setup can be a very effective setup out to the same distances as a 1-4x scope, from my experience. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 9:22:01 PM EDT
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Eotechs are still the most widely used optic possibly. SF in USA, Russia, Germany, the Baltics, Ukraine, Italy ect still widely use them. I will not give the Chinese shit industry a cent of my hard earned money. People who help prop up Chinese military Technology suck, sorry. I swear people would but ISIS brand if it was available and cheap and feel not even a little sorry for it. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 9:24:40 PM EDT
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I ride no band wagons so I'll keep and buy another Eotech. Love my Aimpoints too, as for the LPV's only time will tell if this is just a fad or a true revolution. Run what you want and fuck everybody else and their bullshit opinions............ Every new product is the shit and must have here till it's not, stick around and you shall see the stupidity and blind leading the blind to have the next greatest thing................. Welcome to the now. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 9:59:38 PM EDT
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As soon as I get my EOTech bucks back from the lawsuit I'll be buying a new one. I want the shorter model that uses a single 123 battery and has the controls mounted on the side where they belong. I had four, so I guess I'm downsizing. They owe me $90.00 ($22.50 X 4) and another $2100.00. Finding one on sale and having $90.00 to help reduce the costs makes my decision an easy one.
I like their sights, the window size kills the competition. If the do something constructive about battery life and the fuzzy reticle I'll probably buy a lot more. |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 7:52:11 AM EDT
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Not sure they can do something different for the reticle for a holographic sight. I wish it was crisper too.
No matter where the reticle is in the window, that's the POI. Great for pew pew on the move. I have an EXPS and Vudu, working just fine. |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 10:00:25 AM EDT
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An end users actual performance needs should be what drives equipment, not internet trends.
In regard to EOTech, I have used them in competition, hunting, LE training, and LE patrol use. They have worked well for these uses and I'll continue to use them because nothing else I am aware of in the market is their equal, IMHO. Right now, I am finding that they work very well as a passive NV setup (the huge window/light transmission makes them we suited for this role). |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 9:33:36 PM EDT
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They're unreliable and not worth it. LPVO's rule the day for a huge application. RDS seems to be Aimpoint and Triji's market for value and reputation (Aimpoint leads in my eyes). Not to mention British SAS, Belgian SF who use it on their SCAR-L/H, Australian SF, etc. I mean I could go on and on about EOtech users. |
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Posted: 8/13/2017 2:04:46 AM EDT
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Delta and NSWDG still use EOtech EXPS-3s. Not to mention British SAS, Belgian SF who use it on their SCAR-L/H, Australian SF, etc. I mean I could go on and on about EOtech users. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're unreliable and not worth it. LPVO's rule the day for a huge application. RDS seems to be Aimpoint and Triji's market for value and reputation (Aimpoint leads in my eyes). Not to mention British SAS, Belgian SF who use it on their SCAR-L/H, Australian SF, etc. I mean I could go on and on about EOtech users. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 1:10:23 PM EDT
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An end users actual performance needs should be what drives equipment, not internet trends. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:40:36 AM EDT
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Not sure if EOtech are falling away but they may have lost some mindshare during that whole recall/POI shift issue.
FWIW, for red dots I've got an EOtech 512 and Mepro RDS currently (and have experience with Aimpoint PRO and CompM2) and I prefer the Mepro RDS hands down to all of the others. Mepro RDS has a bigger FOV, clearer dot, long battery life, incorporated QD mount, NV compatible without an increased price, no zero shift, cheaper overall price, etc. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:53:19 AM EDT
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Delta and NSWDG still use EOtech EXPS-3s. Not to mention British SAS, Belgian SF who use it on their SCAR-L/H, Australian SF, etc. I mean I could go on and on about EOtech users. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're unreliable and not worth it. LPVO's rule the day for a huge application. RDS seems to be Aimpoint and Triji's market for value and reputation (Aimpoint leads in my eyes). Not to mention British SAS, Belgian SF who use it on their SCAR-L/H, Australian SF, etc. I mean I could go on and on about EOtech users. Personally I really like the MRO because I can leave it on all the time, and it always being there is one of the main draws. More battery than eotech, Better view than a aimpoint micro, lighter than a pro/m4s, etc. The chinese stuff doesn't rate in this discussion. I have had PA and holosun dots and am mostly happy with them, but they aren't of the same quality. I would never pay 300 bucks for a high end holosun. At around 100 or less, they have there place. For sure. Got one of my holosuns for like 40 bucks before they really started advertising for themself. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 2:02:15 AM EDT
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They're designed to fail, and they knew it.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 2:15:08 AM EDT
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Everywhere I have been including seeing the Hungarian defense forces....
we like the EOTECH. Aimpoints are nice but EOTECH seemed easier to get. |
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