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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:09:12 AM EDT
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My order is arriving today. I'll try to take some pictures through NODs at the lower settings.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:35:03 AM EDT
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Agreed. The photo, if close to what the naked eye sees, clearly shows the brightness to be up at a ridiculous level, compared to the level I'd select. If that's what's happening: That's no good, either. Imagine having to execute a dynamic entry from bright daylight (think "sandbox") to a dimly-lit interior. Or the other way around. And before anybody says "What are you, some kinda operator or somethin'?" No, I most definitely am not  . But, just what market is this optic aimed at? Certainly not Joe Firearms Hobbyist (which is what I am--more or less).
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Posted: 6/24/2017 10:00:53 AM EDT
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"Feel better about it?" Why would it make me "feel better about it?" But, if that photo is an accurate rendition of how high you had that thing turned up, then, in my opinion, you had it turned up way beyond a reasonable level for the lighting conditions. Do you recall what setting that was? Based on member onebigbagostupid's comments it looks to have been at least 13. Interesting that onebigbagostupid's comments didn't mention multiple "ghost" reticles at all. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 10:08:34 AM EDT
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If that's what's happening: That's no good, either. Imagine having to execute a dynamic entry from bright daylight (think "sandbox") to a dimly-lit interior. Or the other way around.. While my only eotech experience was .mil and that's a few years back, I don't remember any of their optics getting this bright in their settings, i remember those optics at their brightest being at what would be 11 or 12 on the UH-1. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 10:33:19 AM EDT
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To get a better picture (of the reticle), the camera should be focused on something far away. Because it's a hologram, the reticle image is about 100 yards away. One of the nice things about holographic sights is the dot size. Unlike other technologies, dot size remains small even under magnification. A small center dot is preferred to offer the best possible POA. Increasing the brightness higher than necessary causes blooming in any sight. The blooming changes the effective dot size. In other words, if you purchased a $500 sight for the 1MOA center dot and turn it up too bright, the center dot will be much larger due to your eyes response.
What I like about the UH-1 is that it shows multiple reticles when the sight is too bright. Unlike the Eotech, you have a way to know if the dot size is accurate for the best possible POA. Therefore, you have a way to know if you are using your equipment properly. I should point out, the main reticle is much much brighter than the ghosts. The gohsts are probably less than 5% of the main reticle. Actually, when I make my Eotech brighter than it needs to be, it glows like a lamp! There is stray light coming out all over. Very distracting! |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 10:49:22 AM EDT
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I should point out, the main reticle is much much brighter than the ghosts. The gohsts are probably less than 5% of the main reticle. Actually, when I make my Eotech brighter than it needs to be, it glows like a lamp! There is stray light coming out all over. Very distracting! |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 12:08:07 PM EDT
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Does anyone else see dust/debris inside theirs?
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Posted: 6/24/2017 12:36:44 PM EDT
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Does anyone else see dust/debris inside theirs? |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 1:08:25 PM EDT
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It's hard to see any debris in mine. If I hold it at an angle, I can see a few specks of something? When I'm looking through the sight, at a target, I don't see it at all. With my 3x behind it, I still don't see it. More of an issue for a collector than user I think. I'm taking it to the range to see how it works.
I'll keep it if it - zeros easily, holds zero, and comes on and off the rail repeatably. When the brightness is set properly this reticle is super crisp. When I focus on the target with both eyes open, the "hood" disappears and I get a full field of view that seems nearly parallax free at 50 or so yards. I checked my trijicon MRO with higher than needed brightness, it looks like spaghetti dinner in there! |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 1:56:26 PM EDT
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Used it in the field this morning. Washed it in soap and water. Then snapped a few pictures of reticle with deifferent brightnesses. Ghosting is not an issue for me.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 2:14:01 PM EDT
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Used it in the field this morning. Washed it in soap and water. Then snapped a few pictures of reticle with deifferent brightnesses. Ghosting is not an issue for me. <iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/Frycoll2525/embed/slideshow/"></iframe> |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 2:22:38 PM EDT
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There is slight ghosting when looking for it, but it is so dim compared to the reticle that I don't even notice it if I'm looking at a target. Setting 10 worked great for bright outdoors and in a dark room.
Thankfully, I was worried over something that is very minor to my eye. I should be able to get night vision pics tonight. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 3:33:15 PM EDT
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Used it in the field this morning. Washed it in soap and water. Then snapped a few pictures of reticle with deifferent brightnesses. Ghosting is not an issue for me. http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o539/Frycoll2525/Enlight3_zps6hlxo61a.jpg How did it zero and hold zero? |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:01:57 PM EDT
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Question :
Does eotech use polycarbonate for their lenses as well? I know these are treated to be durable so I'd only use a lens pen and microfiber to clean, but I hope the coatings hold up. Polycarbonate scratches really easily when it's bare. I can't find a good source on what eotech uses. Edit : eotech manual says glass front laminated rear |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 4:35:32 PM EDT
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It's hard to see any debris in mine. If I hold it at an angle, I can see a few specks of something? When I'm looking through the sight, at a target, I don't see it at all. With my 3x behind it, I still don't see it. More of an issue for a collector than user I think. I'm taking it to the range to see how it works. I'll keep it if it - zeros easily, holds zero, and comes on and off the rail repeatably. When the brightness is set properly this reticle is super crisp. When I focus on the target with both eyes open, the "hood" disappears and I get a full field of view that seems nearly parallax free at 50 or so yards. I checked my trijicon MRO with higher than needed brightness, it looks like spaghetti dinner in there! |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:05:32 PM EDT
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None of the pictures used a magnifier. A magnified scope is the ultimate test for this type of optic. I've had Eotech sights that blurred under magnification.
If the reticle is far away - like 100 yards, the magnifier can be used to measure total parallax. In other words, if the entire field of view is captured by the lens and the image is sharp, parallax is almost zero. If the image is blurred, it suggests parallax. I need glasses to see a crisp image, through a holographic sight, because I can't see far away well. I didn't shoot in the field today, I went to the range. It was easy to zero. And held zero as well as my shaky trigger figer allowed. My rail is transmitting a lot of heat to the sight. The sight was actually warm when I finished. Need to find a new rail...... |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:09:48 PM EDT
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Eotech uses glass. The Vortex uses polycarbonate with a special scratch resistant coating. I'd use care when cleaning any polycarbonate. Soap and water work best. Pat dry, don't rub. Nice thing about polycarbonate is that it won't shatter - ever.....
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:39:36 PM EDT
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Eotech uses glass. The Vortex uses polycarbonate with a special scratch resistant coating. I'd use care when cleaning any polycarbonate. Soap and water work best. Pat dry, don't rub. Nice thing about polycarbonate is that it won't shatter - ever..... That being said vortex seems to have used a very tough scratch resistant coating. Neither a lens pen or microfiber left any kind of mark. My only concern is how well coatings of any kind hold up with time and hard use. So far so good though on that front. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 8:18:33 PM EDT
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I agree. They took a risk introducing this type of window. I bet we see them switch to a glass or a glass like replacement. The windows don't really do anything. And I bet they can replace the "hood" easily if it gets too scratched.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 10:01:19 PM EDT
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One of the interesting things about our design is that the windows have nothing to do with the hologram. You could completely bust them out and still use the sight. They really are only there to waterproof the internals.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 11:03:43 PM EDT
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One of the interesting things about our design is that the windows have nothing to do with the hologram. You could completely bust them out and still use the sight. They really are only there to waterproof the internals. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 10:19:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2017 10:25:47 AM EDT
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Well I got mine in today and threw it on my MPX to see how it was going to look, was afraid it was going to be too big, but I like the look of it on the MPX. Haven't took to the range yet, but so far I love it. http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s659/siraltitude71/Mobile%20Uploads/_20170624_214612_zps8lylzzwb.jpg My big plan for this sight is to put it on my Tavor (not its permanent residence, but for just this deal) and use it for a helecopter hog hunt in Texas! The MRO normally occupies my Tavor, and it is great, but the Eotech reticle is preferred for the helecopter hog hunts for quick aquisition at the distances they typically shoot. The compact maneuverability of the Tavor, combined with the UH-1 reticle, should be just the ticket! If I like it enough, I'll probably get another and stick it on an AR to serve as a back-up on the Heli-hunt. I'd love to see a pic of one on a Tavor. When I get mine, which might be a good while from Optics Planet, I'll get it on there and will post a pic. Don't hold your breath, though. Lots of people are in line in front of me. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 3:31:50 PM EDT
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Has anybody's noticed the reticle seeming "grainy" or pixelated? I've noticed it on different brightness settings. I'll try and get pics later today.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 3:53:51 PM EDT
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Has anybody's noticed the reticle seeming "grainy" or pixelated? I've noticed it on different brightness settings. I'll try and get pics later today. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 3:59:09 PM EDT
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Has anybody's noticed the reticle seeming "grainy" or pixelated? I've noticed it on different brightness settings. I'll try and get pics later today. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:02:20 PM EDT
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Has anybody's noticed the reticle seeming "grainy" or pixelated? I've noticed it on different brightness settings. I'll try and get pics later today. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:09:23 PM EDT
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I've never owned an Eotech nor do I own the Vortex but I did own the original Bushnell Gen 1 holo at one point. The reticle did appear grainy and pixelated as well. I believe it's really just something unique to holographic sights someone else more experienced can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:58:19 PM EDT
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Has anybody's noticed the reticle seeming "grainy" or pixelated? I've noticed it on different brightness settings. I'll try and get pics later today. Grainy laser |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 10:53:11 PM EDT
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That looks great! Let's see more pics on rifles! My big plan for this sight is to put it on my Tavor (not its permanent residence, but for just this deal) and use it for a helecopter hog hunt in Texas! The MRO normally occupies my Tavor, and it is great, but the Eotech reticle is preferred for the helecopter hog hunts for quick aquisition at the distances they typically shoot. The compact maneuverability of the Tavor, combined with the UH-1 reticle, should be just the ticket! If I like it enough, I'll probably get another and stick it on an AR to serve as a back-up on the Heli-hunt. I'd love to see a pic of one on a Tavor. When I get mine, which might be a good while from Optics Planet, I'll get it on there and will post a pic. Don't hold your breath, though. Lots of people are in line in front of me. 60W lightbulb on setting 10. 
NV on setting 1. (The reticle is crisp, the blur is from my camera.) 
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Posted: 6/25/2017 11:04:47 PM EDT
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The light from a laser is grainy as it bounces from a surface. Shine one On something and see if it's not the same texture. Grainy laser Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has anybody's noticed the reticle seeming "grainy" or pixelated? I've noticed it on different brightness settings. I'll try and get pics later today. Grainy laser The pattern speckle looks like it's moving because the photons are parallel but not exactly lined up so the patterns move around and there is some aliasing/downsampling by our nervous system because we can only process ~30 fps visually. If you focus on the target then you're not focusing on the reticle detail, hence the speckle disappears/is drastically reduced. (I had an eotech xps3-2 that I really tried to like but the speckle and my astigmatism eventually moved my to an aimpoint micro. BUT, I'm a Vortex fanboy and would like to get a chance to fondle one of these.) |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 2:30:24 AM EDT
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MY photography skills are lacking. 60W lightbulb on setting 10. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95412/P1020793-238990.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95412/P1020794-238991.jpg NV on setting 1. (The reticle is crisp, the blur is from my camera.) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95412/P1020802-238994.jpg I do like the sight picture though. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 2:34:08 AM EDT
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Turn up any other red dot to an inappropriately high brightness setting and it becomes unusable as well. What do you expect? Annoying yes. Unusable? No. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 5:20:00 AM EDT
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Has anybody's noticed the reticle seeming "grainy" or pixelated? I've noticed it on different brightness settings. I'll try and get pics later today. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 7:05:26 AM EDT
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I'm sorry but that looks like garbage to me. My $200 Holosun 503c is probably the crispest reticle I've seen. (Re: Holosun. Never thought I'd find myself doing this, but, yesterday I ordered an HS503GU and ADM QD mount to tide me over until somebody comes up with an optic I can like. Or at least find tolerable.) |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 8:48:09 AM EDT
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What was the reasoning for polycarbonate lenses and how durable are the scratch resistant coatings? There are other glasses that are very durable, such as sapphire, and others, but they are very expensive and would have added significant cost. It's something that we are considering for the future though. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 9:08:10 AM EDT
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For those of you who have gotten theirs , How does the UH-! line up for Co-Witnessing ? Absolute or lower 1/3rd ? Especially with a standard A2 front sight
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Posted: 6/26/2017 10:02:54 AM EDT
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For those of you who have gotten theirs , How does the UH-! line up for Co-Witnessing ? Absolute or lower 1/3rd ? Especially with a standard A2 front sight Thank you |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 11:54:39 AM EDT
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I'm sorry but that looks like garbage to me. My $200 Holosun 503c is probably the crispest reticle I've seen. I do like the sight picture though. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 12:48:47 PM EDT
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Are you serious? He's taking a photo against a dark background, the reticle is going to be blown out regardless of which sight you use. Others have stated that the reticle is fairly crisp, so these pictures are likely not representative of the actual sight picture. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:45:19 PM EDT
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I'm sorry but that looks like garbage to me. My $200 Holosun 503c is probably the crispest reticle I've seen. I do like the sight picture though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MY photography skills are lacking. 60W lightbulb on setting 10. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95412/P1020793-238990.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95412/P1020794-238991.jpg NV on setting 1. (The reticle is crisp, the blur is from my camera.) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95412/P1020802-238994.jpg I do like the sight picture though. The reticle is as sharp as an eotech. I haven't had time to go to the range, but so far I'm very pleased with it. My only disappointment was that it didn't come with a charging cable. I have all apple devices so I don't have any of the smaller USB cords. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 3:01:59 PM EDT
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If you use rechargeables how do you know if they are charged/charging?
Does the reticle blink/ flash? |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 3:07:03 PM EDT
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I received mine and fired it up. The reti le isnt going to play well with my astigmatism.
Too bad. I really wanted to like it. Put it on the EE. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 4:09:24 PM EDT
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I received mine and fired it up. The reti le isnt going to play well with my astigmatism.
Too bad. I really wanted to like it. Put it on the EE. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 4:26:50 PM EDT
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There are definitely trade offs between glass and poly-carbonate. The advantage with polycarb is that it is shatter resistant, but it will scratch more easily than glass. We did put a very scratch resistant coating on the lenses though, so that should help mitigate that. There are other glasses that are very durable, such as sapphire, and others, but they are very expensive and would have added significant cost. It's something that we are considering for the future though. As with any lower cost optic, it's always the lens that makes it low cost. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 6:17:44 PM EDT
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Why not just return it? |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 7:38:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2017 7:42:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2017 10:35:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe optic is built solid, mounts perfectly, and the field-of-view is amazing. The reticle is crisp and clear when you have it in the "perfect" brightness setting. However, as some people have mentioned, if you transition to lower light, even outside like aiming somewhere in the shade or a darker background, the setting now becomes too high and you have ghost (and blooming depending on the brightness setting). Can I tell which is the "real" reticle, yes. However, it is at least to me, very distracting and annoying. To those that say there is debris/dust in them. Yes, mine has just a tad and even what appears to be a quarter of someone's eyelash (not joking). However, the debris appears to have no impact on the optic itself and I do not find it bothersome, especially when looking through the optic. I'm only stating this for those that are concerned about it. I have perfect 20/20 vision and I had EOTech's, Micro's, and other Aimpoints but they never ghosted, bloomed/had multiple reticles. To be honest, I thought members were exaggerating about it and wasn't bothered by early reports. However, the sight is very unforgiving when transitioning backgrounds. Overall it is a great clear reticle but I feel that the constant up or down in settings to get rid of the ghost (or blooming) has been annoying thus far. The optic looks great on my rifle and I'm forcing myself to love it but I just.....can't. P.S. for those that are interested. My background is 13 years in the military with some time in Iraq. I consider myself a very hobby oriented shooter that loves his firearms and gear. I am not an operator or highspeed.....just a normal guy. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 10:52:20 PM EDT
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I wonder if any of the blooming issues are caused by using polycarbonate windows or any of the coatings. As to the debris, no it doesn't affect function but these should be assembled in clean rooms to avoid contamination. Mine keeps getting more specks on the inside of the windows. That can only mean there is more debris sealed inside and moving around. Again doesn't affect function but not great quality control either. I also do worry about the durability of using polycarbonate with scratch resistant coatings. Will they eventually degrade and look less transparent.
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