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Link Posted: 4/11/2016 9:46:52 AM EDT
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The only complaint that people have made and I have "experienced" is the red glare.  I put experienced in quotes because I have to work to replicate it.  With my eyes and my particular MRO, the only time I get a red glare is if I am indoors, next to a window with my back to it, sun shining in and me looking through the optic into a room.  Other than that I cannot replicate the red glare in any other combination of lighting conditions.  And for me personally the red glare is a non issue.  It in no way obscures my vision or target identification, it does not affect the dot, and unless I'm consciously paying attention to it I don't really notice it.  Even if the red glare presented itself for me more frequently, I don't think it would be something that would prevent me from continuing to run the optic.  Low light, rain, snow, and other shooting conditions or awkward positions affect my shooting more than a slight red glare.  It definitely isn't work me spending $200 more for a micro Aimpoint (without a mount) than what I paid for the MRO with a 1/3 co-witness ADM mount installed.  Its all relative.  I can get a micro red dot with a long battery life and deal with some slight "issues", or I can spend significantly more for another that may eliminate the issues.  Again these are my personal feelings and if someone feels the $200 is worth it then rock on and do whatever floats your boat, because its your rifle and money not mine.
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Under the same conditions I get the glare.  Do you see the red line that runs diagonal from 8 to 1 o'clock?   That's the glare I see with bright light behind me looking into a room.  The dot is still clear in the center.
Link Posted: 4/11/2016 9:53:08 PM EDT
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S/N <500 and I'm not about to whine about a red coloring inside my red dot sight.
Love the MRO in its Larue mount. Hell of an optic.
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 8:02:37 PM EDT
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Anyone have a factory mount they're not using and want to offload cheap?
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 3:07:29 AM EDT
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As stated in another thread, mine is shipping to the factory tomorrow. Reticle is a small bundle of jagged lines. Very disappointing, but i'm hoping it can be fixed.
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 4:24:35 PM EDT
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As stated in another thread, mine is shipping to the factory tomorrow. Reticle is a small bundle of jagged lines. Very disappointing, but i'm hoping it can be fixed.
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I sent mine back as well.  Instead of a . it looks like a \ and is worse with magnification.
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 7:22:15 PM EDT
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Trijicon MRO Review and comparison against the Aimpoint T2

http://i.imgur.com/RnhMiyP.jpg

The Trijicon MRO or miniature rifle optic is the latest offering into the world of micro red-dot optics. Aimpoint has long been king in this arena, but Trijicon’s MRO is a strong contender to take the throne.

Known for the nearly indestructible ACOG line of magnified optics, Trijicon is no stranger to quality products. This time around they’ve decided to shake things up a bit and possibly take over as leader in bombproof micro red-dot optics.

http://i.imgur.com/0CrXNdd.jpg

Enter the MRO. The MRO is a newly designed micro red-dot that boasts an impressive list of features. To start with the MRO measures up at 2.6” long, 1.7”  wide, and  2.0”  high as compared to AImpoint’s T2 which comes in at 2.7 in long, 1.6”  wide, and 1.4”  high. The MRO weighs in at 4.1 oz with the battery installed and no mount and the T2 tips the scales at 3.4 oz with no mount and no battery installed.

http://i.imgur.com/TRTyulG.jpg

I can see! The objective lens of the MRO is one area where things start to get exciting. Trijicon made a huge improvement here, 5mm to be exact. The MRO has an objective lens of 25mm while the T2 objective is only 20mm. When dealing with micro optics, that’s a big improvement, especially when considering both optics are roughly the same size. This increase in size helps to reduce any “tunneling” effect felt while looking through the optic. I can tell you first hand it feels as though peripheral vision has been increased exponentially.

http://i.imgur.com/jeKtjMb.jpg

The glass itself on the MRO is superbly clear, as with all Trijicon optics, and was void of any noticeable tint or hue. Both optics have excellent glass, but I felt the image downrange to be sharper when looking through the MRO as compared to the T2.

http://i.imgur.com/bc9uZy6.jpg

Turn it on! Trijicon was smart when they decided on placement of the on/off, brightness adjustment knob. Having it on top allows the shooter to increase or decrease the brightness or switch to NV modes with either hand. This was a welcome change from the T2. I shoot left handed and if I transition the rifle to my weak hand, it is difficult to increase/decrease brightness, while staying ready on the gun. Having the adjustment up top makes it far less cumbersome to make any changes.

http://i.imgur.com/yQsAjzN.jpg

I also appreciate having a mid-position on/off setting on the MRO. To turn the optic on or off just turn the rotary knob half the amount of clicks from your last setting versus having to dial it all the way back down. Fast on/fast off, a welcome addition. Both optics had very tactile clicks while adjusting brightness. That being said I feel the MRO had more positive clicks and the T2 exhibited a small amount of mushiness noticed while indexing between adjustments.

http://i.imgur.com/Xzse8U4.jpg

Adjustment for days. The windage and elevation adjusters on the MRO are flush to the optic itself eliminating any chance of inadvertent changes of your mechanical zero during rough handling. I cannot express enough how much I hate having to take caps off in order to adjust my zero. The MRO changed the game here, no more caps to take off before I can change my zero. In addition to that the T2 relies on a rubber O ring to prevent water from entering the adjustment towers. Rubber O rings degrade over time raising the possibility of water entering the optic.

http://i.imgur.com/WExOwgc.jpg

The flush, sealed turrets on the MRO are easily adjusted with a flat head screwdriver or coin. The T2 relies on a special 2 pronged adjustment tool or if you don’t have that in your range bag, you can use the windage cap as it has that 2 pronged tool built into it. Think about that for a second; if I want to adjust the elevation on my T2 and don’t have the Aimpoint tool, I have to now take off both caps in order to adjust just the elevation. By the way you’re still going to need either a flat head screw driver or coin to remove the slotted cap on the elevation adjustment cap just to get the 2 pronged tool in there.

The MRO has a total adjustment range of 70 moa and the T2 has…..I’m not really sure. I couldn’t find that information in any of Aimpoint’s literature. Not on the website or in the instruction booklet.

http://i.imgur.com/1I74p5w.jpg

The dot. The dot itself on the MRO appeared to be just that; a sharp and crisp round dot. Even when I placed my Eotech 3X magnifier behind the MRO the dot didn’t morph into some other shape. This allows for precise hits on target, with or without a magnifier. The dot on the T2 appeared more oblong in my experience.
The MRO has 8 total settings; 6 are daytime brightness settings and 2 are NV compatible (hi and low). The T2 has 12 total settings; 8 are daytime and 4 are NV compatible. I was amazed that even during the brightest daylight the dot on the MRO was still readily visible. I didn’t have to hunt for the dot against any backgrounds. The T2 performed equally as well.

http://i.imgur.com/1jBPyO7.jpg

Battery life. Both optics use a 3V lithium CR2032 type battery. Until now the Aimpoint line-up has long been the king of battery life. The T2 is no different boasting a 5 year run time when the optic is set to position 8 of 12 and drops to 10 months when set to position 10 of 12. Trijicon has risen to the challenge, the MRO has a 5 year battery life when set to position 3 of 8.

Mounts. Trijicon includes 3 mounts with each MRO. A low mount, a full co-witness mount and a lower 1/3 co-witness mount, albeit none of which are quick detach. The T2 comes with their proprietary LRP mount which is in fact quick detach. After market support is ramping up and company’s such as ADM, Larue, Midwest Industries, etc are all working on mounts for the MRO. While these are not currently available I expect them to be available for purchase within the next coming week/s.

http://i.imgur.com/4G5shsJ.jpg

Build quality.  The MRO is made from forged 7075 aircraft grade aluminum and is fully sealed against the elements. It is also waterproof to 30 meters or 100 feet. Aimpoint states the T2 is made of “extruded high strength aluminum” but gives no exact specs. The adjustment towers are protected via rubber O rings placed at the base of each tower and is waterproof to 25 meters or 80 feet. The MRO allows you another 20 feet to operate operationally whilst under water.

http://i.imgur.com/5IKXyJF.jpg

Conclusion. I have been using various red-dot optics for a number of years. I have used them in multiple roles as well; some are used as a primary optic while others have been used offset to a primary magnified optic. I have had the PRO, T1, and now the T2. While all of the Aimpoint’s are quality optics I feel the Trijicon MRO is the evolution of what a micro red-dot should be. Bombproof, a larger objective lens and FOV, battery life rivaling that of Aimpoint, completely sealed and weather resistant and with better ergonomics. In my opinion….All hail the new King!

http://i.imgur.com/WAXky8g.jpg

Trijicon MRO MSRP $579.00
Aimpoint T2 MSRP $846.00



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Thank you! Nice review.


How much is the Eotech Magnifier? If it's a lot, what is a cheaper, quality alternative?
Link Posted: 4/15/2016 10:39:40 PM EDT
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Instead of a . it looks like a \ and is worse with magnification.
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I noticed that, but I thought the cause was the slight astigmatism I have.
Link Posted: 4/15/2016 10:56:58 PM EDT
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Thank you! Nice review.


How much is the Eotech Magnifier? If it's a lot, what is a cheaper, quality alternative?
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Trijicon MRO Review and comparison against the Aimpoint T2

http://i.imgur.com/RnhMiyP.jpg

The Trijicon MRO or miniature rifle optic is the latest offering into the world of micro red-dot optics. Aimpoint has long been king in this arena, but Trijicon’s MRO is a strong contender to take the throne.

Known for the nearly indestructible ACOG line of magnified optics, Trijicon is no stranger to quality products. This time around they’ve decided to shake things up a bit and possibly take over as leader in bombproof micro red-dot optics.

http://i.imgur.com/0CrXNdd.jpg

Enter the MRO. The MRO is a newly designed micro red-dot that boasts an impressive list of features. To start with the MRO measures up at 2.6” long, 1.7”  wide, and  2.0”  high as compared to AImpoint’s T2 which comes in at 2.7 in long, 1.6”  wide, and 1.4”  high. The MRO weighs in at 4.1 oz with the battery installed and no mount and the T2 tips the scales at 3.4 oz with no mount and no battery installed.

http://i.imgur.com/TRTyulG.jpg

I can see! The objective lens of the MRO is one area where things start to get exciting. Trijicon made a huge improvement here, 5mm to be exact. The MRO has an objective lens of 25mm while the T2 objective is only 20mm. When dealing with micro optics, that’s a big improvement, especially when considering both optics are roughly the same size. This increase in size helps to reduce any “tunneling” effect felt while looking through the optic. I can tell you first hand it feels as though peripheral vision has been increased exponentially.

http://i.imgur.com/jeKtjMb.jpg

The glass itself on the MRO is superbly clear, as with all Trijicon optics, and was void of any noticeable tint or hue. Both optics have excellent glass, but I felt the image downrange to be sharper when looking through the MRO as compared to the T2.

http://i.imgur.com/bc9uZy6.jpg

Turn it on! Trijicon was smart when they decided on placement of the on/off, brightness adjustment knob. Having it on top allows the shooter to increase or decrease the brightness or switch to NV modes with either hand. This was a welcome change from the T2. I shoot left handed and if I transition the rifle to my weak hand, it is difficult to increase/decrease brightness, while staying ready on the gun. Having the adjustment up top makes it far less cumbersome to make any changes.

http://i.imgur.com/yQsAjzN.jpg

I also appreciate having a mid-position on/off setting on the MRO. To turn the optic on or off just turn the rotary knob half the amount of clicks from your last setting versus having to dial it all the way back down. Fast on/fast off, a welcome addition. Both optics had very tactile clicks while adjusting brightness. That being said I feel the MRO had more positive clicks and the T2 exhibited a small amount of mushiness noticed while indexing between adjustments.

http://i.imgur.com/Xzse8U4.jpg

Adjustment for days. The windage and elevation adjusters on the MRO are flush to the optic itself eliminating any chance of inadvertent changes of your mechanical zero during rough handling. I cannot express enough how much I hate having to take caps off in order to adjust my zero. The MRO changed the game here, no more caps to take off before I can change my zero. In addition to that the T2 relies on a rubber O ring to prevent water from entering the adjustment towers. Rubber O rings degrade over time raising the possibility of water entering the optic.

http://i.imgur.com/WExOwgc.jpg

The flush, sealed turrets on the MRO are easily adjusted with a flat head screwdriver or coin. The T2 relies on a special 2 pronged adjustment tool or if you don’t have that in your range bag, you can use the windage cap as it has that 2 pronged tool built into it. Think about that for a second; if I want to adjust the elevation on my T2 and don’t have the Aimpoint tool, I have to now take off both caps in order to adjust just the elevation. By the way you’re still going to need either a flat head screw driver or coin to remove the slotted cap on the elevation adjustment cap just to get the 2 pronged tool in there.

The MRO has a total adjustment range of 70 moa and the T2 has…..I’m not really sure. I couldn’t find that information in any of Aimpoint’s literature. Not on the website or in the instruction booklet.

http://i.imgur.com/1I74p5w.jpg

The dot. The dot itself on the MRO appeared to be just that; a sharp and crisp round dot. Even when I placed my Eotech 3X magnifier behind the MRO the dot didn’t morph into some other shape. This allows for precise hits on target, with or without a magnifier. The dot on the T2 appeared more oblong in my experience.
The MRO has 8 total settings; 6 are daytime brightness settings and 2 are NV compatible (hi and low). The T2 has 12 total settings; 8 are daytime and 4 are NV compatible. I was amazed that even during the brightest daylight the dot on the MRO was still readily visible. I didn’t have to hunt for the dot against any backgrounds. The T2 performed equally as well.

http://i.imgur.com/1jBPyO7.jpg

Battery life. Both optics use a 3V lithium CR2032 type battery. Until now the Aimpoint line-up has long been the king of battery life. The T2 is no different boasting a 5 year run time when the optic is set to position 8 of 12 and drops to 10 months when set to position 10 of 12. Trijicon has risen to the challenge, the MRO has a 5 year battery life when set to position 3 of 8.

Mounts. Trijicon includes 3 mounts with each MRO. A low mount, a full co-witness mount and a lower 1/3 co-witness mount, albeit none of which are quick detach. The T2 comes with their proprietary LRP mount which is in fact quick detach. After market support is ramping up and company’s such as ADM, Larue, Midwest Industries, etc are all working on mounts for the MRO. While these are not currently available I expect them to be available for purchase within the next coming week/s.

http://i.imgur.com/4G5shsJ.jpg

Build quality.  The MRO is made from forged 7075 aircraft grade aluminum and is fully sealed against the elements. It is also waterproof to 30 meters or 100 feet. Aimpoint states the T2 is made of “extruded high strength aluminum” but gives no exact specs. The adjustment towers are protected via rubber O rings placed at the base of each tower and is waterproof to 25 meters or 80 feet. The MRO allows you another 20 feet to operate operationally whilst under water.

http://i.imgur.com/5IKXyJF.jpg

Conclusion. I have been using various red-dot optics for a number of years. I have used them in multiple roles as well; some are used as a primary optic while others have been used offset to a primary magnified optic. I have had the PRO, T1, and now the T2. While all of the Aimpoint’s are quality optics I feel the Trijicon MRO is the evolution of what a micro red-dot should be. Bombproof, a larger objective lens and FOV, battery life rivaling that of Aimpoint, completely sealed and weather resistant and with better ergonomics. In my opinion….All hail the new King!

http://i.imgur.com/WAXky8g.jpg

Trijicon MRO MSRP $579.00
Aimpoint T2 MSRP $846.00



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You, LORD, keep my lamp burning; my God turns my darkness into light





Thank you! Nice review.


How much is the Eotech Magnifier? If it's a lot, what is a cheaper, quality alternative?


The G33 runs in the $400-$425 range for good condition in the second hand market. I sold .one and went with a Samson and am very happy with it
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 2:49:52 PM EDT
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I've got mine mounted up in a SLR mount now. Serial is 28xxx and the glass is less blue than the t1 I had, nice and clear with no glare. The only glare I can produce inside is if I stand with a light source directly behind me, and even then, the dot is still clearly visible. I have just a tiny bit magnification going on. It's miniscule enough that you only notice it if you really take your time and try to nitpick it indoors.

I'm really happy with the MRO. Glad I skipped the t2.

It's lightweight, not $700 lol, and it functions perfectly.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 7:45:32 PM EDT
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Shot mine today

Really wanted to like it but there was noticeable magnification, it made it very difficult to focus with both eyes open

I had my aimpoint pro with too and liked that much better

Are all of them that noticeable or can trijicon fix that?
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 10:09:32 PM EDT
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Shot mine today

Really wanted to like it but there was noticeable magnification, it made it very difficult to focus with both eyes open

I had my aimpoint pro with too and liked that much better

Are all of them that noticeable or can trijicon fix that?
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I suppose it's going to be based on your eyes. I only notice the magnification when I really look for it and have no issue whatsoever when it comes to focusing with both eyes open.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 10:55:21 PM EDT
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I shot in an indoor range with mine today. I noticed that with multiple targets at different ranges the slight magnification made what ever target I put my dot on stand out just a bit from the others. It actually helps me. I shoot quite a bit better with the MRO versus the EOTech I used for years. The small size also helps as the sight just disappears and all I see is the dot and and target.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 12:48:19 AM EDT
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I'm really happy with the MRO. Glad I skipped the t2.



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Exactly. I got the MRO/SLR mount/Samson 3.5 for $712... I'm glad I chose this setup over the T2 or another T1. $700 is crazy a micro sight.



 
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 6:40:31 AM EDT
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I shot in an indoor range with mine today. I noticed that with multiple targets at different ranges the slight magnification made what ever target I put my dot on stand out just a bit from the others. It actually helps me. I shoot quite a bit better with the MRO versus the EOTech I used for years. The small size also helps as the sight just disappears and all I see is the dot and and target.
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This is what I was hoping for but it didn't work for me

Guess I might end up selling it and taking a loss
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 2:30:05 PM EDT
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This is what I was hoping for but it didn't work for me

Guess I might end up selling it and taking a loss
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I shot in an indoor range with mine today. I noticed that with multiple targets at different ranges the slight magnification made what ever target I put my dot on stand out just a bit from the others. It actually helps me. I shoot quite a bit better with the MRO versus the EOTech I used for years. The small size also helps as the sight just disappears and all I see is the dot and and target.


This is what I was hoping for but it didn't work for me

Guess I might end up selling it and taking a loss

Yea it's hit or miss with different people. You shouldn't take too big of a hit on it.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 4:03:10 PM EDT
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Exactly. I got the MRO/SLR mount/Samson 3.5 for $712... I'm glad I chose this setup over the T2 or another T1. $700 is crazy a micro sight.
 
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I'm really happy with the MRO. Glad I skipped the t2.

It's lightweight, not $700 lol, and it functions perfectly.

Exactly. I got the MRO/SLR mount/Samson 3.5 for $712... I'm glad I chose this setup over the T2 or another T1. $700 is crazy a micro sight.
 

I paid $585 shipped for my most recent T2.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:24:36 PM EDT
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I paid $585 shipped for my most recent T2.
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I'm really happy with the MRO. Glad I skipped the t2.

It's lightweight, not $700 lol, and it functions perfectly.

Exactly. I got the MRO/SLR mount/Samson 3.5 for $712... I'm glad I chose this setup over the T2 or another T1. $700 is crazy a micro sight.
 

I paid $585 shipped for my most recent T2.


With an slr mount?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 2:37:43 AM EDT
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I just received my MRO from Trijicon through the Firearms Instructor Program that they offer (34,XXX SN).  I've read all the bad things about the MRO from start to now and IMO, everything bad that I have read, I have so far experienced.  I just got it today, mounted it to my duty rifle and tried it on setting 3 inside and outside, with a wide variety of lighting and am pretty disappointing with it. The red glare is very noticeable indoors on setting 3 and depending on where the sun is outside, it has the same effect.  Holding the MRO in hand, the magnification is noticeable but very workable.  The moment I mounted it onto my rifle, no matter where it was mounted, it was very noticeable and distracting.  There is also a blue tint to the glass that is comparable to the H1/T1.  No changes have been made to the battery tabs.

Positives are that it is VERY easy to adjust.  The adjustments are flush and don't catch on anything.  It can easily be adjusted with just a fingernail, which kind worries me, in-case Murphy decides to fcuk with me, but time will tell.  Setting 3 is bright enough for my eyes in sunlight and the dot is very crisp and easy to pick up. I don't get a tunnel effect with the Aimpoints, so I obviously don't get it with the MRO.  It's very hard to beat the price on the MRO for the quality.  It is built like a tank and I think it will withhold a lot of abuse .  I also love the scripture engraved on the optic.

So far my initial thoughts on the MRO aren't too great.  I will be teaching my department at our monthly range next week and will run a few drills with it, so I'll know if the magnification will really affect me.  I am currently running the factory absolute co-witness mount on it and have an ADM mount on order, which should get to me before next weeks range days.  I wish LaRue made an absolute co-witness mount.....

I'm praying it doesn't suck after I shoot with it....

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:00:25 AM EDT
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I just received my MRO from Trijicon through the Firearms Instructor Program that they offer (31,XXX SN).  I've read all the bad things about the MRO from start to now and IMO, everything bad that I have read, I have so far experienced.  I just got it today, mounted it to my duty rifle and tried it on setting 3 inside and outside, with a wide variety of lighting and am pretty disappointing with it. The red glare is very noticeable indoors on setting 3 and depending on where the sun is outside, it has the same effect.  Holding the MRO in hand, the magnification is noticeable but very workable.  The moment I mounted it onto my rifle, no matter where it was mounted, it was very noticeable and distracting.  There is also a blue tint to the glass that is comparable to the H1/T1.  No changes have been made to the battery tabs.

Positives are that it is VERY easy to adjust.  The adjustments are flush and don't catch on anything.  It can easily be adjusted with just a fingernail, which kind worries me, in-case Murphy decides to fcuk with me, but time will tell.  Setting 3 is bright enough for my eyes in sunlight and the dot is very crisp and easy to pick up. I don't get a tunnel effect with the Aimpoints, so I obviously don't get it with the MRO.  It's very hard to beat the price on the MRO for the quality.  It is built like a tank and I think it will withhold a lot of abuse .  I also love the scripture engraved on the optic.

So far my initial thoughts on the MRO aren't too great.  I will be teaching my department at our monthly range next week and will run a few drills with it, so I'll know if the magnification will really affect me.  I am currently running the factory absolute co-witness mount on it and have an ADM mount on order, which should get to me before next weeks range days.  I wish LaRue made an absolute co-witness mount.....

I'm praying it doesn't suck after I shoot with it....

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I hope it works out for you. Keep us posted. So far I really like mine
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 12:51:57 PM EDT
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Just placed an order for the Larue package last night. Says it's back ordered for 3-4 weeks, but I'm going to keep the order in.

I can get Trijicon optics below MSRP with a pro-deal, but combined with the Larue mount it would be cheaper to buy it all from them.

Excited to get this little guy and see how it works. My only other optic experience is with EOTech which I am a fan of but I wanted to switch it up.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 1:08:59 PM EDT
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Did you guys see Supersets video,  Addresses allot of the 45 pages of this thread.

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 1:18:50 PM EDT
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I hope it works out for you. Keep us posted. So far I really like mine
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I just received my MRO from Trijicon through the Firearms Instructor Program that they offer (31,XXX SN).  I've read all the bad things about the MRO from start to now and IMO, everything bad that I have read, I have so far experienced.  I just got it today, mounted it to my duty rifle and tried it on setting 3 inside and outside, with a wide variety of lighting and am pretty disappointing with it. The red glare is very noticeable indoors on setting 3 and depending on where the sun is outside, it has the same effect.  Holding the MRO in hand, the magnification is noticeable but very workable.  The moment I mounted it onto my rifle, no matter where it was mounted, it was very noticeable and distracting.  There is also a blue tint to the glass that is comparable to the H1/T1.  No changes have been made to the battery tabs.

Positives are that it is VERY easy to adjust.  The adjustments are flush and don't catch on anything.  It can easily be adjusted with just a fingernail, which kind worries me, in-case Murphy decides to fcuk with me, but time will tell.  Setting 3 is bright enough for my eyes in sunlight and the dot is very crisp and easy to pick up. I don't get a tunnel effect with the Aimpoints, so I obviously don't get it with the MRO.  It's very hard to beat the price on the MRO for the quality.  It is built like a tank and I think it will withhold a lot of abuse .  I also love the scripture engraved on the optic.

So far my initial thoughts on the MRO aren't too great.  I will be teaching my department at our monthly range next week and will run a few drills with it, so I'll know if the magnification will really affect me.  I am currently running the factory absolute co-witness mount on it and have an ADM mount on order, which should get to me before next weeks range days.  I wish LaRue made an absolute co-witness mount.....

I'm praying it doesn't suck after I shoot with it....



I hope it works out for you. Keep us posted. So far I really like mine


Me too.  I edited my original post.  It is a 34k serial number, not a 31k.  
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Never seen this guy, great, well produced video that is informative.

As iv'e mentioned before I'm happy with the sight, slight glare, but don't notice the magnification and the glare is not bad to me.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 2:19:16 PM EDT
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That was a great video and addresses all the things that I experienced with mine.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 2:34:21 PM EDT
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His Video's are well done,  His aimpoint vs eotech is a good one too.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 4:56:46 PM EDT
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Arms unlimited has it onsale for $499 shipped with the standard LaRue qd mount. Good deal
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 6:59:51 PM EDT
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Got my objective lens cover today. Butler creek #17. Fits like a glove. I chose to have it open downwards as to not change my field of view. I wanted zero obstructions visually. Also included a pic of the package.









Link Posted: 4/23/2016 2:01:11 PM EDT
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For those of you who have purchased the MRO from larue, do the optics come properly attached to the mount with blue thread lock or did you have to mount them yourselves?
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 4:25:11 PM EDT
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I just picked up a few, I hope they are good to go. If they are I'll have to pick up a few more.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 4:36:50 PM EDT
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I'm not here to stir the pot.  Honest.

I was at a gun shop today and they had an mro in a locked glass case.  It was powered on and at eye level.  Light was coming in the front door of the building behind me and when I was looking through the case into the optic there was an overpowering red glare throughout the whole optic.

I didn't ask to take it out of the case to look at it better.  Is that red glare normal?  Maybe they had the brightness too high so people can see the dot?  I don't know but it sure was overpowering.




Link Posted: 4/23/2016 6:06:54 PM EDT
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I'm not here to stir the pot.  Honest.

I was at a gun shop today and they had an mro in a locked glass case.  It was powered on and at eye level.  Light was coming in the front door of the building behind me and when I was looking through the case into the optic there was an overpowering red glare throughout the whole optic.

I didn't ask to take it out of the case to look at it better.  Is that red glare normal?  Maybe they had the brightness too high so people can see the dot?  I don't know but it sure was overpowering.
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I'm not here to stir the pot.  Honest.

I was at a gun shop today and they had an mro in a locked glass case.  It was powered on and at eye level.  Light was coming in the front door of the building behind me and when I was looking through the case into the optic there was an overpowering red glare throughout the whole optic.

I didn't ask to take it out of the case to look at it better.  Is that red glare normal?  Maybe they had the brightness too high so people can see the dot?  I don't know but it sure was overpowering.

Word on the street -- e.g. in all of the reviews that I've read and watched, is yes, that is apparently considered "normal" by Trijicon.

They even specifically address the issue in their MRO FAQ:

Why do I see a red glint when looking through the MRO®?

Like every reflex-style optic, the Trijicon MRO® will exhibit some glint from the optical lens coatings when the user's eye is not directly behind the optic and the dot is not centered in the field-of-view (off-axis viewing). While the amount of glint will vary depending on the orientation of the optic relative to external light sources, the MRO® exhibits less of this effect than competitive optics. This phenomenon does not affect usability or performance of the optic, even in non-standard shooting positions.


Not sure why they said what they said in the bolded section, because pretty much everything I've read and heard about the issue indicates that it's far worse than any Aimpoint.

Nevertheless, LaRue's price of $493 with the mount has really been tempting me and making me think I could live with some of the supposed shortcomings of this optic.  I'm gonna hold off for a while and see how things pan out from here.  I give it better than 50% odds that I'll end up picking one up by the end of the year.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 6:10:42 PM EDT
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No everything came packaged separately and I had to install them.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 6:11:25 PM EDT
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Comes like this
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Word on the street -- e.g. in all of the reviews that I've read and watched, is yes, that is apparently considered "normal" by Trijicon.

They even specifically address the issue in their MRO FAQ:



Not sure why they said what they said in the bolded section, because pretty much everything I've read and heard about the issue indicates that it's far worse than any Aimpoint.

Nevertheless, LaRue's price of $493 with the mount has really been tempting me and making me think I could live with some of the supposed shortcomings of this optic.  I'm gonna hold off for a while and see how things pan out from here.  I give it better than 50% odds that I'll end up picking one up by the end of the year.
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I'm not here to stir the pot.  Honest.

I was at a gun shop today and they had an mro in a locked glass case.  It was powered on and at eye level.  Light was coming in the front door of the building behind me and when I was looking through the case into the optic there was an overpowering red glare throughout the whole optic.

I didn't ask to take it out of the case to look at it better.  Is that red glare normal?  Maybe they had the brightness too high so people can see the dot?  I don't know but it sure was overpowering.

Word on the street -- e.g. in all of the reviews that I've read and watched, is yes, that is apparently considered "normal" by Trijicon.

They even specifically address the issue in their MRO FAQ:

Why do I see a red glint when looking through the MRO®?

Like every reflex-style optic, the Trijicon MRO® will exhibit some glint from the optical lens coatings when the user's eye is not directly behind the optic and the dot is not centered in the field-of-view (off-axis viewing). While the amount of glint will vary depending on the orientation of the optic relative to external light sources, the MRO® exhibits less of this effect than competitive optics. This phenomenon does not affect usability or performance of the optic, even in non-standard shooting positions.


Not sure why they said what they said in the bolded section, because pretty much everything I've read and heard about the issue indicates that it's far worse than any Aimpoint.

Nevertheless, LaRue's price of $493 with the mount has really been tempting me and making me think I could live with some of the supposed shortcomings of this optic.  I'm gonna hold off for a while and see how things pan out from here.  I give it better than 50% odds that I'll end up picking one up by the end of the year.



Have you viewed one in person yet?  I'd do that if possible before you spend money.

I will admit that after reading thier FAQ you posted, I agree with them.  When first looking thru it the red glare was insane.  When I got my eyes better aligned behind it, it was less glare but still worse than I'd like.  However,  the shop might have had the dot brightness cranked way up.  I know my other dots get a little red glare when the brightness is turned up too high.

That is a great price with mount.  This shop wanted $553 and I'm not sure if that included a mount.

Link Posted: 4/23/2016 6:36:00 PM EDT
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Word on the street -- e.g. in all of the reviews that I've read and watched, is yes, that is apparently considered "normal" by Trijicon.

They even specifically address the issue in their MRO FAQ:



Not sure why they said what they said in the bolded section, because pretty much everything I've read and heard about the issue indicates that it's far worse than any Aimpoint.

Nevertheless, LaRue's price of $493 with the mount has really been tempting me and making me think I could live with some of the supposed shortcomings of this optic.  I'm gonna hold off for a while and see how things pan out from here.  I give it better than 50% odds that I'll end up picking one up by the end of the year.
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I'm not here to stir the pot.  Honest.

I was at a gun shop today and they had an mro in a locked glass case.  It was powered on and at eye level.  Light was coming in the front door of the building behind me and when I was looking through the case into the optic there was an overpowering red glare throughout the whole optic.

I didn't ask to take it out of the case to look at it better.  Is that red glare normal?  Maybe they had the brightness too high so people can see the dot?  I don't know but it sure was overpowering.

Word on the street -- e.g. in all of the reviews that I've read and watched, is yes, that is apparently considered "normal" by Trijicon.

They even specifically address the issue in their MRO FAQ:

Why do I see a red glint when looking through the MRO®?

Like every reflex-style optic, the Trijicon MRO® will exhibit some glint from the optical lens coatings when the user's eye is not directly behind the optic and the dot is not centered in the field-of-view (off-axis viewing). While the amount of glint will vary depending on the orientation of the optic relative to external light sources, the MRO® exhibits less of this effect than competitive optics. This phenomenon does not affect usability or performance of the optic, even in non-standard shooting positions.


Not sure why they said what they said in the bolded section, because pretty much everything I've read and heard about the issue indicates that it's far worse than any Aimpoint.

Nevertheless, LaRue's price of $493 with the mount has really been tempting me and making me think I could live with some of the supposed shortcomings of this optic.  I'm gonna hold off for a while and see how things pan out from here.  I give it better than 50% odds that I'll end up picking one up by the end of the year.


I could live with everything other than the double image with both eyes open for the price.  It's the double image that killed it for me.  
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 7:31:04 PM EDT
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I'm not here to stir the pot.  Honest.

I was at a gun shop today and they had an mro in a locked glass case.  It was powered on and at eye level.  Light was coming in the front door of the building behind me and when I was looking through the case into the optic there was an overpowering red glare throughout the whole optic.

I didn't ask to take it out of the case to look at it better.  Is that red glare normal?  Maybe they had the brightness too high so people can see the dot?  I don't know but it sure was overpowering.


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Looking at the red dot not mounted on anything inside a glass cabinet while having to look through the the glass is pretty much the worse opinion you could on a optic.
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Looking at the red dot not mounted on anything inside a glass cabinet while having to look through the the glass is pretty much the worse opinion you could on a optic.
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I'm not here to stir the pot.  Honest.

I was at a gun shop today and they had an mro in a locked glass case.  It was powered on and at eye level.  Light was coming in the front door of the building behind me and when I was looking through the case into the optic there was an overpowering red glare throughout the whole optic.

I didn't ask to take it out of the case to look at it better.  Is that red glare normal?  Maybe they had the brightness too high so people can see the dot?  I don't know but it sure was overpowering.




Looking at the red dot not mounted on anything inside a glass cabinet while having to look through the the glass is pretty much the worse opinion you could on a optic.



I got mine today and the red glare is significant.  The blue tint and magnification, not so much.

$385 shipped from kygunco, if anyone's shopping for one.

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I got mine today and the red glare is significant.  The blue tint and magnification, not so much.

$385 shipped from kygunco, if anyone's shopping for one.

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I'm not here to stir the pot.  Honest.

I was at a gun shop today and they had an mro in a locked glass case.  It was powered on and at eye level.  Light was coming in the front door of the building behind me and when I was looking through the case into the optic there was an overpowering red glare throughout the whole optic.

I didn't ask to take it out of the case to look at it better.  Is that red glare normal?  Maybe they had the brightness too high so people can see the dot?  I don't know but it sure was overpowering.




Looking at the red dot not mounted on anything inside a glass cabinet while having to look through the the glass is pretty much the worse opinion you could on a optic.



I got mine today and the red glare is significant.  The blue tint and magnification, not so much.

$385 shipped from kygunco, if anyone's shopping for one.



Significant in what way? Is the optic mounted on a gun? If you ordered from
Ky I assume you have no mount. So an optic turned up high up to your eye will give you glare. Mount the optic correctly on a weapon and the glare is gone.

Again all these people complaining haven't even actually used the optic let alone mounted on a weapon. I hear a lot of tacticool test walking around inside the house with no gun? What exactly does that show? Nothing. When the optic is mounted correctly glare is almost non existent. Can glare be found in certain situations. Of course. But you actually have to work to make it happen, and it's far from significant when it does happen.

No glare on mine actually mounted up. Unless I have it on setting 6 and have my eye up against the optic. Which isn't the correct usage. When using 3-5 setting with my current distance from optic to eye I have zero glare issues. Neither have the 4 other people to try my set up so far. Again if I really try to creat a condition for glare sure I can make it happen. But under real world usage there isn't a problem. That's assuming you have good eye sight without visual impairments.




Link Posted: 4/24/2016 2:15:17 AM EDT
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I just received my MRO from Trijicon through the Firearms Instructor Program that they offer (34,XXX SN).  I've read all the bad things about the MRO from start to now and IMO, everything bad that I have read, I have so far experienced.  I just got it today, mounted it to my duty rifle and tried it on setting 3 inside and outside, with a wide variety of lighting and am pretty disappointing with it. The red glare is very noticeable indoors on setting 3 and depending on where the sun is outside, it has the same effect.  Holding the MRO in hand, the magnification is noticeable but very workable.  The moment I mounted it onto my rifle, no matter where it was mounted, it was very noticeable and distracting.  There is also a blue tint to the glass that is comparable to the H1/T1.  No changes have been made to the battery tabs.

Positives are that it is VERY easy to adjust.  The adjustments are flush and don't catch on anything.  It can easily be adjusted with just a fingernail, which kind worries me, in-case Murphy decides to fcuk with me, but time will tell.  Setting 3 is bright enough for my eyes in sunlight and the dot is very crisp and easy to pick up. I don't get a tunnel effect with the Aimpoints, so I obviously don't get it with the MRO.  It's very hard to beat the price on the MRO for the quality.  It is built like a tank and I think it will withhold a lot of abuse .  I also love the scripture engraved on the optic.

So far my initial thoughts on the MRO aren't too great.  I will be teaching my department at our monthly range next week and will run a few drills with it, so I'll know if the magnification will really affect me.  I am currently running the factory absolute co-witness mount on it and have an ADM mount on order, which should get to me before next weeks range days.  I wish LaRue made an absolute co-witness mount.....

I'm praying it doesn't suck after I shoot with it....

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After a few days of playing with it indoors and outdoors, I took it off my duty gun and it's going up for sale.  The .05 magnification hurts my eyes and is very noticeable.  I'm actually pretty disappointed because I really really really wanted it to work out. I just can't do it, after doing some transition drills and holding at a target for a long time (like I would if I was on perimeter etc.), it gave me a headache.  My department doesn't allow EOtech's, hence the reason I have an MRO now, so I'll be going to an Aimpoint.
Link Posted: 4/24/2016 7:40:38 AM EDT
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The other thing that concerns me about this optic is the brightness settings.  I believe the 5-year battery life is based on setting 3 out of 6?  However, I've read / heard that in daylight conditions it pretty much needs to be set on 4 or 5?  If that's the case, then is it really fair to claim the battery life is 5 years?  Seems to me that in order to realistically achieve that, one would need to run the optic at exclusively night on 3 or lower?

It's just something I think about when comparing to my Aimpoint Micros.  In all fairness, I always had to run the 2 MOA T-1's on 9 or 10 when outdoors on bright sunny days.  I found the 4 MOA H-1's to be the best since their dot is slightly larger, it appears brighter, plus it doesn't have the nightvision settings eating into its brightness settings.  I can run the 4 MOA H-1's on setting 8 (which is the max setting for the 5-year bat life estimate) in outdoor conditions and see the dot fine.  That gives me the confidence that I'd actually get close to the 5-year battery life if push ever really came to shove.
Link Posted: 4/24/2016 9:13:51 AM EDT
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^^^^^

I'm not sure that less than claimed battery life would be much of a concern to me.  Batteries are cheap.  Just replace them every year.

However,  the red glare does concern me.  Heck, the cheap PA red dots have less red glare.


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I'm not sure that less than claimed battery life would be much of a concern to me.  Batteries are cheap.  Just replace them every year.

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yep, this is my biggest gripe.
It looks like light is coming in and reflecting off the area around the emitter module.
It's worst when the light source is around 3-5 o'clock
Link Posted: 4/24/2016 3:42:15 PM EDT
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The other thing that concerns me about this optic is the brightness settings.  I believe the 5-year battery life is based on setting 3 out of 6?  However, I've read / heard that in daylight conditions it pretty much needs to be set on 4 or 5?  If that's the case, then is it really fair to claim the battery life is 5 years?  Seems to me that in order to realistically achieve that, one would need to run the optic at exclusively night on 3 or lower?

It's just something I think about when comparing to my Aimpoint Micros.  In all fairness, I always had to run the 2 MOA T-1's on 9 or 10 when outdoors on bright sunny days.  I found the 4 MOA H-1's to be the best since their dot is slightly larger, it appears brighter, plus it doesn't have the nightvision settings eating into its brightness settings.  I can run the 4 MOA H-1's on setting 8 (which is the max setting for the 5-year bat life estimate) in outdoor conditions and see the dot fine.  That gives me the confidence that I'd actually get close to the 5-year battery life if push ever really came to shove.
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IIRC, it's 50K hrs at '3' (lowlight for me), appx 12K hrs at '4' (most daytime use for me), appx 3K hrs at '5' (bright daytime use for me) and 600hrs at nuclear-bright '6' (haven't run into or can envision a situation where I'd need '6', but it's always nice to have options).
Anyone know the appx hr ratings for the Micros at their various settings? Thx!...
Tomac
Link Posted: 4/24/2016 5:49:43 PM EDT
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I use 4 for outdoor use. I usually set it at 2 or off when I store it.



The LED technology doesnt use alot of energy. setting illumination  higher to shoot isn't a big deal... Just turn it down or off when indoors or storing. Simple.
Link Posted: 4/25/2016 5:44:34 PM EDT
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I wonder if thiswould work as it should fit 1.6-1.8
Link Posted: 4/25/2016 11:02:47 PM EDT
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After this thread, I really can't make up my mind. I really want to try this optic out. I really dig the way it looks and I like Trijicon as a company. But there's a lot of negativity here towards the MRO. I can't tell if it's all BS'ing to a degree or what. I might just save and get a t1. But I really want to get this thing and like it.
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After this thread, I really can't make up my mind. I really want to try this optic out. I really dig the way it looks and I like Trijicon as a company. But there's a lot of negativity here towards the MRO. I can't tell if it's all BS'ing to a degree or what. I might just save and get a t1. But I really want to get this thing and like it.
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Amazon has a great return policy so that's an option for you.
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After this thread, I really can't make up my mind. I really want to try this optic out. I really dig the way it looks and I like Trijicon as a company. But there's a lot of negativity here towards the MRO. I can't tell if it's all BS'ing to a degree or what. I might just save and get a t1. But I really want to get this thing and like it.




Amazon has a great return policy so that's an option for you.


All the big retailers will give you a no questions return, if you dont like it... alot of the complaints are extremely gassed IMO. you get the "if I'm gonna pay $xxxx it better be perfect" people. so, its expected. I've had and used a fair amount of RDS and i like this one the best.



All in all you have to rely on your assessment after using it, rather than the forum. Just pick one up.



 
Link Posted: 4/26/2016 12:37:44 AM EDT
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Several of the optics retailers that I've dealt with have a return policy that only allows returns on non-mounted optics.
That's the reason I mention Amazon as they allow 30 day returns, mounted or not.
Link Posted: 4/26/2016 7:12:37 AM EDT
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I recently picked up two MROs and so far really like them. One of them has more of a bluish tint than the other and even that is comparable to my T1. I have had no red glare issues when the optic is actually mounted on a firearm and in use. The dots on both are nice and crisp and easy to use. On a sunny day "4" is ideal for me at the range.

My one complaint is the adjustment knobs. While they are flush to the body and it would be hard to knock them around, it was a bit disconcerting being able to just press down on them with my finger and adjust them with that kind of pressure. In my mind they should be more firm and require more force to manipulate if they are going to be that exposed.

It's pretty amazing to compare the size to a PRO. Side-by-side they are pretty drastically different and that adds to the positive aspect of the MRO being so small while maintaining that wide lens.

I got mine on sale at KYGUNCO.COM and have been very happy with them and would recommend them to anyone who asks. I would assume that Trijicon is going to further address some of the complaints as time goes on but I think they have a good product so far.
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