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Posted: 7/30/2015 2:12:16 PM EDT
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Get the Eotech G33. The Samson mount is HORRIBLE.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 3:43:16 PM EDT
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I thought samson made the g33 mount for eotech? I know it isn't their RAM mount but I thought I heard that somewhere. And just curious what is it you don't like about the samson mount?
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:30:46 PM EDT
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I thought samson made the g33 mount for eotech? I know it isn't their RAM mount but I thought I heard that somewhere. And just curious what is it you don't like about the samson mount? Thanks I think Samson made the FTS mount for the G23 and Eotech went with a new mount for the G33 |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:33:22 PM EDT
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I think Samson made the FTS mount for the G23 and Eotech went with a new mount for the G33 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought samson made the g33 mount for eotech? I know it isn't their RAM mount but I thought I heard that somewhere. And just curious what is it you don't like about the samson mount? Thanks I think Samson made the FTS mount for the G23 and Eotech went with a new mount for the G33 Gotcha. Thanks. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:52:01 PM EDT
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I am very pleased with my G33. I would trade it for a G45 when/if they come out...BUT that is only if FOV and weight are not compromised. The glass is bright, day or night, and with the T2, I can shoot 10-shot 2 MOA groups all day long with decent duty ammo (Ranger Bonded) at 100 yards.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 6:31:10 PM EDT
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The Samson mount violently and loudly thumps the magnifier to the side. The Eotech is smooth and discrete. The Samson mount has this tiny lever that is hard to get to with gloves or on the move. It is a horrible horrible mount. It feels cheap and it comes with shiny mounting screws that looks like they got at home depot. It is not just the mount. The G33 optics looked clearer to me.
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Posted: 7/31/2015 10:11:57 AM EDT
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I have the Samson and the mount is awesome, don't even have to remove the hands from the gun to flip to side, it is quick and positive. As a machinist, I can say the work is impressive. Everything is solid and tight. The QD system is flawless. If you need the discretion for some reason you can guide the flip with your hand.
The eye box is friendly due to the larger objective lens, edge to edge view is clear focused, distortion and aberration free. The body is solid, rugged and the diopter adjustment is tight and smooth. The screws that hold it to the mount are plenty strong and much less likely to strip out than tiny socket or torx head screws...if you know how to use a screw driver. They cost $269 on Amazon. |
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:46:10 AM EDT
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I have the Samson and the mount is awesome, don't even have to remove the hands from the gun to flip to side, it is quick and positive. As a machinist, I can say the work is impressive. Everything is solid and tight. The QD system is flawless. If you need the discretion for some reason you can guide the flip with your hand. The eye box is friendly due to the larger objective lens, edge to edge view is clear focused, distortion and aberration free. The body is solid, rugged and the diopter adjustment is tight and smooth. The screws that hold it to the mount are plenty strong and much less likely to strip out than tiny socket or torx head screws...if you know how to use a screw driver. They cost $269 on Amazon. Haha I like that... if you know how to use a screw driver lol. Yeah that's the one thing I'd heard people complain about. And yeah I saw them on amazon and that's one of the reasons it's so tempting. Especially considering eotechs price tag, if it doesn't really do anything better than the samson. .. |
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Posted: 7/31/2015 12:00:45 PM EDT
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I would go EoTech or Vortex
I couldnt justify the price point of the EoTech, so I went with the Vortex. No regrets |
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:28:45 PM EDT
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Best? Bombproof? EOTech > Samson
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Posted: 8/1/2015 8:04:58 AM EDT
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Best? Bombproof? EOTech > Samson What makes you say that? What is better about the eotech |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:23:48 AM EDT
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I would go EoTech or Vortex I couldnt justify the price point of the EoTech, so I went with the Vortex. No regrets I also did the same and couldn't be happier. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:49:41 AM EDT
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How compatable are different manufacturers height wise? Would a Vortex line up with an Aimpoint or Eotech?
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:25:17 AM EDT
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What makes you say that? What is better about the eotech Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Best? Bombproof? EOTech > Samson What makes you say that? What is better about the eotech The EOTech magnifier is used by the military and law enforcement, so I would assume it's more rugged. I also like the STS mount of the EOTech G33 more than the Larue, ADM, and others. But if you are looking for something cheaper, or a good value, the Vortex and Samson magnifiers should work. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:49:18 AM EDT
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how much you wanna spend
Eotech Vortex Primary Arms |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 1:41:32 PM EDT
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How compatable are different manufacturers height wise? Would a Vortex line up with an Aimpoint or Eotech? Yes the vortex comes with risers for the different heights |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:06:22 PM EDT
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how much you wanna spend Eotech Vortex Primary Arms Well that's the question lol. If it is worth it, I'll drop the monet for an eotech. It's one of those hard things to say, I want to spend money on the one that, will give me the most reliable performance, and the most durable. I don't have a problem spending the money on it if I know it isn't gonna be crap (I know eotech isn't crap), but if another magnifier will be just as durable it'd be nice to save 150 bucks... |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:09:27 PM EDT
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The EOTech magnifier is used by the military and law enforcement, so I would assume it's more rugged. I also like the STS mount of the EOTech G33 more than the Larue, ADM, and others. But if you are looking for something cheaper, or a good value, the Vortex and Samson magnifiers should work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Best? Bombproof? EOTech > Samson What makes you say that? What is better about the eotech The EOTech magnifier is used by the military and law enforcement, so I would assume it's more rugged. I also like the STS mount of the EOTech G33 more than the Larue, ADM, and others. But if you are looking for something cheaper, or a good value, the Vortex and Samson magnifiers should work. Yeah, that's my logic on it as well, was just curious if maybe there was other hard data out there someone knew about. But yes I tend to agree if it's in use by professionals, it's generally a good choice. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 4:51:30 PM EDT
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It sounds like you want an Eotech but don't wanna shovel out the coin.
In your case Id say get the Samson. If you truly want a "proven bombproof" magnifier get an Eotech or Aimpoint as they have been in use with the military for years. Also not sure what kind of hard data you are looking for?
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:51:20 AM EDT
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It sounds like you want an Eotech but don't wanna shovel out the coin. In your case Id say get the Samson. If you truly want a "proven bombproof" magnifier get an Eotech or Aimpoint as they have been in use with the military for years. Also not sure what kind of hard data you are looking for? Yeah, I think I will just go eotech. Idk really about the hard data, I guess just hoping for information from someone who knows more about them then I do. |
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Posted: 8/5/2015 1:40:29 AM EDT
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I love the Samson. The eyebox and eye-relief are the best of the bunch, and I don't mind the small flip-tab. Will it be as tough as the EO and AP? Not sure. For the price, and what little I'll put it through, it's a good bet/value. I've owned multiples of them all. I actually thought the eye-relief and eyebox was a bit better on the AP than the G33, but maybe that's just me.
The Samson shines with bigger optics (not the micros or RMRs). It lets in a lot of light and appears to be useable a bit longer in the evening than the g33. The only worry I have is that the centering screws seem awfully easy to turn. I wonder if they can vibrate loose and de-center the reticle. In 400rds, so far they've been fine. Since I only use the 3.5X on the gun like 10-20% of the time, I don't think I can justify spending a lot. That said. This idea of a G45 has me interested. |
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