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Posted: 10/23/2014 7:23:14 PM EDT
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Primary arms 1-6
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Posted: 10/23/2014 7:32:24 PM EDT
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FPNI, but they're like unobtainium.
My son has one. I've been waiting forever for them to come back in stock.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 9:54:48 PM EDT
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FPNI, but they're like unobtainium. My son has one. I've been waiting forever for them to come back in stock. Obtain http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1313 |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:49:06 AM EDT
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SWFA FFP MIL/MIL HD 1-6×24. Great glass, great scope. I have 3 of them. True 1x.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:54:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Primary arms 1-6 I personally prefer the combo and can tell you why if you want, but since you like bench shooting I probably wont change your mind.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 3:15:31 PM EDT
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OP your going to want a 1-4 or 1-6 if you plan to use for HD use. Or are you planning on pulling the scope off for HD use?
I personally played with the scope idea for a while sold my 2.5-7x to a friend with the mount and went back to my RDS setup and bought a magnifier couldn't be happier with the decision other than now I want another magnifier for my other AR. The downside IMO is the weight of the magnifier, otherwise i have not complaints. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 3:39:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP your going to want a 1-4 or 1-6 if you plan to use for HD use. Or are you planning on pulling the scope off for HD use? I personally played with the scope idea for a while sold my 2.5-7x to a friend with the mount and went back to my RDS setup and bought a magnifier couldn't be happier with the decision other than now I want another magnifier for my other AR. The downside IMO is the weight of the magnifier, otherwise i have not complaints. So if its from those two specific manufactures I consider it good weight.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:43:46 PM EDT
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I'm in the same situation with my newly assembled AR OP. I would like some magnification but I don't want to give up close quarters capability.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:47:46 PM EDT
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Pa 1-6 w aero mount.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:26:00 PM EDT
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I'd look for a 3-9x with long eye relief. 3x is completely usable at closer ranges with the 9x being ok for long ranges.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:14:14 PM EDT
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I'd look for a 3-9x with long eye relief. 3x is completely usable at closer ranges with the 9x being ok for long ranges. You are not using 3x with both eyes open. Many of us want 1x at the low end for this reason. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:33:33 PM EDT
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Primary arms 1-6 This...^. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:37:39 PM EDT
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Pa 1-6 w aero mount. <a href="http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/ducatiman1098s/media/2014-10/89700AD9-695A-4C82-B35D-5F2E83BE82F9_zpsefgmtmnp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p500/ducatiman1098s/2014-10/89700AD9-695A-4C82-B35D-5F2E83BE82F9_zpsefgmtmnp.jpg</a> Again...this ...^. I too have the Aero mount under my PA 1-6x. Hard to beat the Aero mounts for the price. Too bad they don't offer a QD but I heard that was in the works. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:46:01 PM EDT
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SWFA FFP MIL/MIL HD 1-6×24. Great glass, great scope. I have 3 of them. True 1x. Let me know when you find one for the under $250 budget the OP is requesting. Even if you find it for twice that, I'd still want one! 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 12:27:56 AM EDT
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Let me know when you find one for the under $250 budget the OP is requesting. Even if you find it for twice that, I'd still want one! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SWFA FFP MIL/MIL HD 1-6×24. Great glass, great scope. I have 3 of them. True 1x. Let me know when you find one for the under $250 budget the OP is requesting. Even if you find it for twice that, I'd still want one! In for that and all the other 1000.00 optics you know the OP cant afford. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 2:30:15 AM EDT
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You are not using 3x with both eyes open. Many of us want 1x at the low end for this reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd look for a 3-9x with long eye relief. 3x is completely usable at closer ranges with the 9x being ok for long ranges. You are not using 3x with both eyes open. Many of us want 1x at the low end for this reason. i can do it just fine, as long as the scope i'm using has a good amount of eye relief. acogs in 3 n 4x are usable just fine right? 25 yards n less you can even make hits on a torso sized target without iron sights, just keep your eyes straight down the flat top. my first shot or 2 are usually a bit high n then i know where i'm at n i can drop the other 28 rounds into the target without fail. is it the absolute most practical way of doing it? no but even with an acog i get similar results, which are acceptable at close ranges, and then when you want a longer shot it's 1 eye closed. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:14:34 AM EDT
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I hate to be "that guy", but I'm gonna.
Nothing in your price range has any business on a gun you're going to rely on for defensive purposes. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 12:12:17 PM EDT
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I hate to be "that guy", but I'm gonna. Nothing in your price range has any business on a gun you're going to rely on for defensive purposes. I disagree. He will be able to rely on it after he tests it thoroughly feels comfortable with it. would he go to Afghanistan with it? No. But it will be fine for the purposes listed. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 12:28:35 PM EDT
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I hate to be "that guy", but I'm gonna. Nothing in your price range has any business on a gun you're going to rely on for defensive purposes. For a brief HD situation it should be ok. For a end of world SHTF situation possibly not. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 12:51:14 PM EDT
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For a brief HD situation it should be ok. For a end of world SHTF situation possibly not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate to be "that guy", but I'm gonna. Nothing in your price range has any business on a gun you're going to rely on for defensive purposes. For a brief HD situation it should be ok. For a end of world SHTF situation possibly not. Pretty sure he stated that it was for hd, and general plinking.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 12:53:25 PM EDT
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I disagree. He will be able to rely on it after he tests it thoroughly feels comfortable with it. would he go to Afghanistan with it? No. But it will be fine for the purposes listed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate to be "that guy", but I'm gonna. Nothing in your price range has any business on a gun you're going to rely on for defensive purposes. I disagree. He will be able to rely on it after he tests it thoroughly feels comfortable with it. would he go to Afghanistan with it? No. But it will be fine for the purposes listed. That's cool, it's a "discussion" forum not a "everybody thinks the same thing" forum. 
IMHO, $250 would certainly get a mount I'd trust, and would probably get a few optics I'd trust, particularly if you shop a bit and find a deal. But it won't get both. 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 1:41:39 PM EDT
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Let me know when you find one for the under $250 budget the OP is requesting. Even if you find it for twice that, I'd still want one! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SWFA FFP MIL/MIL HD 1-6×24. Great glass, great scope. I have 3 of them. True 1x. Let me know when you find one for the under $250 budget the OP is requesting. Even if you find it for twice that, I'd still want one! My fuckup. Should have read OP more closely. Sorry bout that! |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 3:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's cool, it's a "discussion" forum not a "everybody thinks the same thing" forum. IMHO, $250 would certainly get a mount I'd trust, and would probably get a few optics I'd trust, particularly if you shop a bit and find a deal. But it won't get both. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hate to be "that guy", but I'm gonna. Nothing in your price range has any business on a gun you're going to rely on for defensive purposes. I disagree. He will be able to rely on it after he tests it thoroughly feels comfortable with it. would he go to Afghanistan with it? No. But it will be fine for the purposes listed. That's cool, it's a "discussion" forum not a "everybody thinks the same thing" forum. IMHO, $250 would certainly get a mount I'd trust, and would probably get a few optics I'd trust, particularly if you shop a bit and find a deal. But it won't get both. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:43:23 PM EDT
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Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'm considering both a 1-4or6x scope and now possibly a red dot with a magnifier. I know this throws a wrench in the scope only discussion, but do we have any other options you'd consider. Currently I can consistently hit a 4 inch target from 50 yards with iron sights (Magpul MBUS with the small rear aperture up). I guess that a red dot would only help this from that distance and closer (especially if it is co-witnessed with the irons). I would be using a magnifier for 50-100 yard shots. Keeping the same price point in mind and that I plan on using it for range plinking and (god forbid) home defense, do you have any suggestions?
I was pricing out a Bushnell TRS-25 with a UTG 0.83 mount for absolute co-witness with my MBUS. Figure this would be about 75-85 dollars. Add in a 3x, 4x, or 6x magnifier and what would I be looking at? Another 100-150 more? Any other suggestions? Any comparison between the Bushnell and something else like the Primary Arms MD-06L? Thanks, Mike |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:51:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'm considering both a 1-4or6x scope and now possibly a red dot with a magnifier. I know this throws a wrench in the scope only discussion, but do we have any other options you'd consider. Currently I can consistently hit a 4 inch target from 50 yards with iron sights (Magpul MBUS with the small rear aperture up). I guess that a red dot would only help this from that distance and closer (especially if it is co-witnessed with the irons). I would be using a magnifier for 50-100 yard shots. Keeping the same price point in mind and that I plan on using it for range plinking and (god forbid) home defense, do you have any suggestions? I was pricing out a Bushnell TRS-25 with a UTG 0.83 mount for absolute co-witness with my MBUS. Figure this would be about 75-85 dollars. Add in a 3x, 4x, or 6x magnifier and what would I be looking at? Another 100-150 more? Any other suggestions? Any comparison between the Bushnell and something else like the Primary Arms MD-06L? Thanks, Mike |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:39:49 PM EDT
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Since you threw out HD again I suggest you stick with irons and buy a Surefire P2X light. Then once that is setup you can save for an Eotech/Aimpoint. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'm considering both a 1-4or6x scope and now possibly a red dot with a magnifier. I know this throws a wrench in the scope only discussion, but do we have any other options you'd consider. Currently I can consistently hit a 4 inch target from 50 yards with iron sights (Magpul MBUS with the small rear aperture up). I guess that a red dot would only help this from that distance and closer (especially if it is co-witnessed with the irons). I would be using a magnifier for 50-100 yard shots. Keeping the same price point in mind and that I plan on using it for range plinking and (god forbid) home defense, do you have any suggestions? I was pricing out a Bushnell TRS-25 with a UTG 0.83 mount for absolute co-witness with my MBUS. Figure this would be about 75-85 dollars. Add in a 3x, 4x, or 6x magnifier and what would I be looking at? Another 100-150 more? Any other suggestions? Any comparison between the Bushnell and something else like the Primary Arms MD-06L? Thanks, Mike +1 to this. OP, get a weapon light first and then you can look at red dots. My personal recommendation for a budget red dot is the Primary Arms model. I really, really wanted to slap a nice variable on my AR but a red dot sight is the king of < 100 yard shooting. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:39:33 PM EDT
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http://www.primaryarms.com/Burris_MTAC_Rifle_Scope_30mm_Tube_1_4x_24mm_p/bu200437.htm
IMO Burris MTAC 1x4 is the Best bang -for-the-buck in an inexpensive solid scope with RDS quickness and easily capable of 300 yard torso hits |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 11:23:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://www.primaryarms.com/Burris_MTAC_Rifle_Scope_30mm_Tube_1_4x_24mm_p/bu200437.htm IMO Burris MTAC 1x4 is the Best bang -for-the-buck in an inexpensive solid scope with RDS quickness and easily capable of 300 yard torso hits |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:46:48 AM EDT
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I've owned my AR–15 for a little over a year, and I feel quite comfortable shooting on my Magpul MBUS iron sights. I enjoy close shooting at my range that maxes out at 25 yards, but I also go to the local state game lands and shoot either at a 50 or 100 yard target. My rifle is for both home defense and for plinking fun. I enjoy more benchtop shooting right now than indoor range shooting. I'm looking for suggestions on which magnification I should start out with for my first scope. I'd like a somewhat decent quality optic and I'd rather not spend more than 250 for the scope and mounts on my optics ready carbine. I'm not crazy about a red dot with a magnifier. I'd also like to keep the weight down. Any thoughts or examples of scope? Thanks in advance for the help. Mike It'll be a bit hard to find a new optic *and* mount/rings that you'll be happy with in that price range, even for plinking. "Somewhat decent quality" and "250 for scope and mount" simply don't go together for most types of optics. You mention home defense as well - in my opinion, for 250 you're not going to find anything more useful than iron sights and a weapon light without scoring an unusual deal. That's not something you want to use a plinker red dot for, and unless "home defense" for you means magnified long range shooting, then a traditional scope would make it pretty hard to use your AR for that purpose without some sort of QD mount that would really blow out your budget. If you just really want a scope for fun, I'd suggest something like the Primary Arms red dot, etc - whatever version gets generally positive reviews around here as of late - combined with a throw lever mount that lets you remove it when you're not out at the range. Remember, spending less on optics doesn't save you money if you blow through $100 of ammo zeroing and re-zeroing it, either due to optics problems or having to take non-QD mounts on and off. By the way - depending on where you're at in PA, you may have access to longer ranges. Some of those state game land ranges have 200 and 300 yard target stands. You should be able to hit targets out that far with your irons, and $250 worth of ammo makes for a pretty decent amount of practice... |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:15:32 PM EDT
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Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'm considering both a 1-4or6x scope and now possibly a red dot with a magnifier. I know this throws a wrench in the scope only discussion, but do we have any other options you'd consider. Currently I can consistently hit a 4 inch target from 50 yards with iron sights (Magpul MBUS with the small rear aperture up). I guess that a red dot would only help this from that distance and closer (especially if it is co-witnessed with the irons). I would be using a magnifier for 50-100 yard shots. Keeping the same price point in mind and that I plan on using it for range plinking and (god forbid) home defense, do you have any suggestions? I was pricing out a Bushnell TRS-25 with a UTG 0.83 mount for absolute co-witness with my MBUS. Figure this would be about 75-85 dollars. Add in a 3x, 4x, or 6x magnifier and what would I be looking at? Another 100-150 more? Any other suggestions? Any comparison between the Bushnell and something else like the Primary Arms MD-06L? Thanks, Mike Don't sell the red dot scope short. I'm in my 50's, not the best eyesight anymore, and I can shred the centers out of the little dessert paper plates @ 100 yards. With only a T1 or Aimpoint PRO (my favorite out of the two). My opinion on the red dots is still forming. I can get hits on a silhouette plate near 200 yards, but accuracy is poor. Take your time, but keep your eyes open for the PRO. Best red dot going. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 1:38:18 PM EDT
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Don't sell the red dot scope short. I'm in my 50's, not the best eyesight anymore, and I can shred the centers out of the little dessert paper plates @ 100 yards. With only a T1 or Aimpoint PRO (my favorite out of the two). My opinion on the red dots is still forming. I can get hits on a silhouette plate near 200 yards, but accuracy is poor. Take your time, but keep your eyes open for the PRO. Best red dot going. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'm considering both a 1-4or6x scope and now possibly a red dot with a magnifier. I know this throws a wrench in the scope only discussion, but do we have any other options you'd consider. Currently I can consistently hit a 4 inch target from 50 yards with iron sights (Magpul MBUS with the small rear aperture up). I guess that a red dot would only help this from that distance and closer (especially if it is co-witnessed with the irons). I would be using a magnifier for 50-100 yard shots. Keeping the same price point in mind and that I plan on using it for range plinking and (god forbid) home defense, do you have any suggestions? I was pricing out a Bushnell TRS-25 with a UTG 0.83 mount for absolute co-witness with my MBUS. Figure this would be about 75-85 dollars. Add in a 3x, 4x, or 6x magnifier and what would I be looking at? Another 100-150 more? Any other suggestions? Any comparison between the Bushnell and something else like the Primary Arms MD-06L? Thanks, Mike Don't sell the red dot scope short. I'm in my 50's, not the best eyesight anymore, and I can shred the centers out of the little dessert paper plates @ 100 yards. With only a T1 or Aimpoint PRO (my favorite out of the two). My opinion on the red dots is still forming. I can get hits on a silhouette plate near 200 yards, but accuracy is poor. Take your time, but keep your eyes open for the PRO. Best red dot going. +1 |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 2:51:32 PM EDT
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I'm going to go against the grain here and propose a 2-7x (yes, holy shit a non tactical optic). I have a Redfield Revolution (basically a rebranded Leupold VX1 for much less) and absolutely love it. Would I take it to Afghanistan, negative but would I feel bad having it it the big bad shtf apocalypse, nope. If it can take my abuse, it'd definitely last for that. Hell, if my PTR couldn't kill it before I sold it, it'll hold up to any AR.
Just ordered an Aero Precision mount for it to mount on my 12.5" so for just under $300, I'd think it'd be a very very solid choice.... at 2x, both eyes open is definitely a go and I'm just as fast as it as with a red dot but that's just me |
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