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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:57:02 AM EDT
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Tape a mini chemlight to it.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:18:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tape a mini chemlight to it. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:19:49 AM EDT
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Does it have the fiber optic thingy?
I would try taping a few tritium vials to it. Couldn't hurt. Search Candlepowerforums there used to be some people who sold tritium illuminators and the prices weren't bad. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:27:14 AM EDT
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I have the green fiber optic rod on the ACOG. So now I have more questions...
Where do you position the chem light on the rod? What kind of tape and exactly how do tape it in there meaning are you laying the light parallel to the rod? What color would be best? The. Tritium are interesting given that it's a more permanent solution. I'd like to have a way to have them on there all the time so no matter when or what conditions I'm in, the ACOG is at full potential illumination-wise. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:41:43 AM EDT
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I'd go with green chemlights, and I'd just use electrical tape. It's worked for me during deployments. Alternatively, you could use some bicycle inner tube
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:24:47 PM EDT
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I'd go with green chemlights, and I'd just use electrical tape. It's worked for me during deployments. Alternatively, you could use some bicycle inner tube So do you just place the chem light parallel? Does the tape end up covering the fiber rod.? I guess I just need to see a pic of how this is done. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:28:50 PM EDT
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This is what I use www.amazon.com/Cyalume-ChemLight-Military-Chemical-Duration/dp/B0052ZAKXU , althought I don't know if the green color is best.
I place them along the fiber-optic, held down and covered by "ranger-bands" (strips of bicycle inner-tube tire). |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:31:28 PM EDT
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This is what I use www.amazon.com/Cyalume-ChemLight-Military-Chemical-Duration/dp/B0052ZAKXU , althought I don't know if the green color is best. I place them along the fiber-optic, held down and covered by "ranger-bands" (strips of bicycle inner-tube tire). So how many of the 1.5" chem lights do you affix to the ACOG? When you tape them, does it have to cover the rod? I'm trying to figure out a way that if I need to grab my rifle, I don't have to fiddly-fuck around with this and find tape and what not. So, if you can just chem light... or maybe a permanent tritium rod and rig some sort of permanent holder for them, I think that would be ideal. Obviously, you don't want a chem light glowing brightly while you're tucked away, but if you only use one chem light or tritium rod, perhaps you could engineer up some sort of permanent rig that you would just activate the light and slide it on your ACOG using that rod holder somehow. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:25:02 PM EDT
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+1 it is a known issue and the chemlight taped to the fiber optic is the solution for it for many. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tape a mini chemlight to it. These 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:16:28 PM EDT
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I leave the ranger bands on the ACOG all the time, but so that they do not cover the fiber-optic and interfere with its normal illumination of the reticle. At night, I pull the ranger bands over the fiber-optic, "break-open" a single mini-chem-stick and slide it underneath the ranger bands next to the fiber-optic.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:23:17 PM EDT
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I leave the ranger bands on the ACOG all the time, but so that they do not cover the fiber-optic and interfere with its normal illumination of the reticle. At night, I pull the ranger bands over the fiber-optic, "break-open" a single mini-chem-stick and slide it underneath the ranger bands next to the fiber-optic. Is there anyway you could post a pic? That'd help a lot. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:09:37 PM EDT
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Some people have built a small device to illuminate the fiber by using a small LED keychain light, or rigging up their own device. I don't have plans, but they usually affixed them with hook-and-loop strips, which also covered the top of the LED, and prevented leakage of the illumination outward from the device.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 5:15:27 AM EDT
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Wow, I forgot about this shortcoming with the ACOG when the shooter is is low light and the target is in a light environment. I couldn't imagine having to tape/Velcro/keychain light, etc then have to resort to using tape, ranger bands, etc to trying to attaching the said light source to the optic (and then trying to do so in a hurry) just so you can see the reticule. Andthen trying to find a way that keeps that light hidden except to the fiberoptic tube. And all that for a $1000-$1200 optic that degrades in 15 years...
Don't get me wrong, I have and love my NSNTA01but I also like my 1-4x with a illuminated reticule. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 5:38:20 AM EDT
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Wow, I forgot about this shortcoming with the ACOG when the shooter is is low light and the target is in a light environment. I couldn't imagine having to tape/Velcro/keychain light, etc then have to resort to using tape, ranger bands, etc to trying to attaching the said light source to the optic (and then trying to do so in a hurry) just so you can see the reticule. Andthen trying to find a way that keeps that light hidden except to the fiberoptic tube. And all that for a $1000-$1200 optic that degrades in 15 years... Don't get me wrong, I have and love my NSNTA01but I also like my 1-4x with a illuminated reticule. Yeah....I get what you're saying... I didn't really fully appreciate the significance of the issue until the other day at the indoor range I've since sat in my house yesterday looking outside through the scope to the bright outside....which in my mind if anything would be the most likely scenario wherei I'd be engaged with my rifle in a serious situation... The ret would simply disappear as you went scanned across backgrounds. I was under the impression that the tritium would take over in the this scenario, but no... It doesn't work that way. So now I really want to creat some sort of permanent mounting for a light source. Pathetic considering the cost of an ACOG. I The problem is I'm not nearly clever enough to figure stuff like that out. I have steal everyone else's ideas. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 6:31:19 AM EDT
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Why re-invent the wheel?
Look at the battery powered ACOG. TA02. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 7:41:57 AM EDT
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If you have a EO Tech model 512 and a front rail, just slap the eotech on the front rail. I do that with my ta01nsn model when I'm indoors. The acog and eotech lines up perfectly. Works pretty well for me.
It looks somewhat similar to this setup: 
It allows you to illuminate no matter the condition. My ta31ecos model works well indoors or out no matter the target's illumination due to the BAC. Not sure if years later it'll go down the shitter but for now it works well indoors or out. Otherwise, as other said you need to tape some sort of light source onto the acog. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 7:50:37 AM EDT
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That is shitty now I am glad I bought two 512's instead ofone ACOG.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 7:54:45 AM EDT
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That is shitty now I am glad I bought two 512's instead ofone ACOG. It's an interesting setup though. I did it purely by accident one day. I had a eotech, and bought a acog and figured, "Hey, why not use both?" Then I started researching it and found that it's actually a technique used in the military to illuminate targets with the ta01 models since they don't have daytime illumination. Overall you can't knock on acog. Matter of fact, I read that L3, after seeing this similar setup, decided to make the 3x multiplier since the acog and eotech basically functions similarly. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:10:14 AM EDT
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It's an interesting setup though. I did it purely by accident one day. I had a eotech, and bought a acog and figured, "Hey, why not use both?" Then I started researching it and found that it's actually a technique used in the military to illuminate targets with the ta01 models since they don't have daytime illumination. Overall you can't knock on acog. Matter of fact, I read that L3, after seeing this similar setup, decided to make the 3x multiplier since the acog and eotech basically functions similarly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is shitty now I am glad I bought two 512's instead ofone ACOG. It's an interesting setup though. I did it purely by accident one day. I had a eotech, and bought a acog and figured, "Hey, why not use both?" Then I started researching it and found that it's actually a technique used in the military to illuminate targets with the ta01 models since they don't have daytime illumination. Overall you can't knock on acog. Matter of fact, I read that L3, after seeing this similar setup, decided to make the 3x multiplier since the acog and eotech basically functions similarly. No doubt ACOGS are tough as shit and are nice optics the low light thing is crap on the Tritium models but I do not think they are worth the asking price. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 9:10:04 AM EDT
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Meh...I can still see the black chevron reticle of an ACOG..YMMV.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:51:13 PM EDT
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Well... I don't want to buy an Eotech, or get rid of my ACOG and get something else. I like the size, weight, and magnification I get. I'm okay with rigging something up to light up the fiber rod, I just don't want some mickey-mouse bullsh*t on rifle though. I just want something solid that'll work, that I don't have to f with every time.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 5:38:22 PM EDT
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where is this new range being built?
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Posted: 7/26/2014 6:23:32 PM EDT
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where is this new range being built? Tarpon Springs on US19 http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/massive-indoor-gun-range-planned-for-tarpon-springs-site/2167991 It's going to be pretty awesome. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 5:55:03 AM EDT
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Can someone tell me how many of the small chem lights I'd need? Is one enough? What about tritium rods? I'm still trying to determine the best route. Also, which color is best? I have the green horseshoe if it matters.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 6:59:47 AM EDT
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One small chem light would do you just fine. Color of the chem light doesn't really matter that much in my experience.
They last for a few hours at a time. Kind of a clunky solution to your issue, the way I see it. That's just my opinion. For me, and my type of shooting, the standard dual illumination ACOG works perfectly . If I were in your shoes with your particular range conditions, I would consider the battery operated ACOG. You can adjust the reticle brightness to suit your conditions. Much 'cleaner' solution than taping a chem light to your optic every time you want to go to the range. I'm pretty sure you could 'horse trade' yours for a TA02, and not be out of pocket any $. Again, my $.02. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 11:58:38 AM EDT
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This is why I like he cross hair models. More reticle to work with when it blacks out.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No doubt ACOGS are tough as shit and are nice optics the low light thing is crap on the Tritium models but I do not think they are worth the asking price. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is shitty now I am glad I bought two 512's instead ofone ACOG. It's an interesting setup though. I did it purely by accident one day. I had a eotech, and bought a acog and figured, "Hey, why not use both?" Then I started researching it and found that it's actually a technique used in the military to illuminate targets with the ta01 models since they don't have daytime illumination. Overall you can't knock on acog. Matter of fact, I read that L3, after seeing this similar setup, decided to make the 3x multiplier since the acog and eotech basically functions similarly. No doubt ACOGS are tough as shit and are nice optics the low light thing is crap on the Tritium models but I do not think they are worth the asking price. After 2 deployments, the only optic I'm interested in on my M-4 is an ACOG.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 7:49:35 PM EDT
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Good grief, by a couple chem lights and figure it out. It's not fucking calculus.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:18:06 AM EDT
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Good grief, by a couple chem lights and figure it out. It's not fucking calculus. lols |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:40:16 PM EDT
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I'm fortunate that I have two new nice higher end indoor ranges come online just recently. One right by my office and a huge 60,000 sq ft facility being built 10 min from my house. I'll definatley be shooting more. A couple of us took a three hour lunch and went shooting yesterday. It was the first time I shot my SBR indoors. I have a TA33 with a green horseshoe ret. shooting from a dark booth out to a lighted range section, it was very difficult to pick up the ret on the black target. I have bad eyesight, but the others had lots of difficulty as well when they tried...I thought it was just me. In my mind, this is a major issue and weakness for various reasons. Is there a way to improve dark to light shooting performance on an ACOG. any tips, advice would be appreciated. Thanks. ACOG TA02 LED |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:27:17 AM EDT
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Or use a little kydex so it can snap on and off easily. This was made for night time spot light shooting. For daytime shooting, leave more light tube exposed.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:20:18 AM EDT
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Does anyone make something similiar to an S&S vlite with a replaceable battery?
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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:23:16 PM EDT
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Good rubber band?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:23:29 PM EDT
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Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to play around with some different solutions that are quick deploy and work well. I've got some good ideas now. If I come with anything earth shaking to the ACOG world, I'll post it up here.
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