is there still a manual on button as a fail-safe to the auto-on not working?

Same here, I will be using it this Saturday.

Ordered. Will see.

This is certainly a new one to me.  I'll be looking.

How durable is it?  I love the look, the size, and the price as well as the battery hours, but if I drop it and it break - if you get where I am going with this.

How about an option for ABSOLUTE co-witness...???  Thats all I need to pull the trigger on a few of these.

I think what the boss is trying to tell you is it is pretty durable and suitable for home defense, range work, hunting, maybe even a carbine class but not for use
in a combat environment like Afghanistan....

For "moderate" use this is well suited for extreme use it is not....

A person could speculate and say that if on an imaginary 'hard use' scale of 1 to 10....an Aimpoint T-1 in a Bobro mount breaks at 8.75 but a Primary Arms dot breaks at 5.75

So if you want yours to last just make sure you don't take it over 5.0

Of course this is purely speculative on my part.

T1 base compatible would be awesome.

Not sure why the manufacturer didn't think of this. He would've sold a lot more units if that were the case.

Marshall, I think he's wanting to know if it'll withstand drops/bumps, accidental falls from a weapon maybe falling out of a truck. Heck anything. Could be getting out of a truck and accidentally hit it on a door, enter a building and hit it. I think he's just meaning rough use in general.

I'm going to order one to try out, but I do have the same concerns. If the optic is used and gets knocked around or hit on things (Not on purpose of course) will it keep on trucking, or will it just stop running?

While I agree with you guys and am a die hard Larue QD mount user, you have to consider that the mount needed might need to be slightly different due to the battery being below. The existing mounts don't have the space required. But with that said, you're also saving weight. The Holosun with AR base is lighter than, going with the example earlier, a t1 with Larue LT660. Though other mounts that aren't QD may be close to the holosun weight. (I don't know the weights but Seekins, DD, etc...)

ah yes, didn't think about the battery compartment on the bottom. That nixxed the whole aimpoint mounting idea. I hope he comes out with a solid return to zero qd option at a later date though.

I agree, however most mounts will get pretty close as long as you repeat the same steps each time you mount the optic. ie, making sure to push the mount forward against the same rail slots.

And with that said, just placed an order for one of these sights. I'll be one of the brave few and give it a shot.

My thoughts after reading everything: What everyone wants to know is... Is it an aimpoint durable optic can I drop it run through the woods banging it on every other tree along the way. Which it probably is not at that price point.
A 2 MOA dot is nice to see for a budget priced optic. I think we all dislike the auto 8 hr shutoff feature because we all want to leave it on (why not with a 50,000 hour battery life). I think we could all agree we all want a killflash.

It is always on, for all intents and purposes. Grab your rifle and it turns on automatically. Just gives more life to the LED. Don't see a problem with that.

FYI - Received my Holosun Red Dot today. HS400BAR. Ordered Saturday and received today. Awesome packaging. Complete with CR123Abattery, two Allen wrenches to mount. Knobs to zero sight and laser. Auto shut off after 8 hours. Push button for brightness setting. Beautiful design quality. Mounted on 300 Blackout. Zeroed in five shots. Zeroed laser in three shots. Parallax free. Quick release lever. Submersible to 100 feet. 50,000 hour battery life. 2 MOA Red Dot. Mounted in seconds to Picatinny rail.  Plan to mount 3X magnifier with flip out mount. Let me know if any questions.

Has anyone received the HS403 (T1 style) yet?

Yep. Works like a t-1 and looks better to my astigmatism. Time will tell. zeroed with a few clicks.

How clear is the glass?

More tint than a t-1 in bright sunlight not noticable in indoor range. other than that, no distortion at all.

Got mine today. Seems nice so far once I figured out the battery install. Will give a range report soon. What do you guys want pictures of?

The mount, battery compartment, adjustment knobs, brightness settings, and glass tint if possible. Showing how the optic sits in regards to the irons when looking through the tube would be nice, too.

I sent our friend MrGunsnGear a request on YT. If he picks one up, we'll know for certain if it's any good.

...Tell y'all right now, if it's as good as the rest of Primary Arms stuff, I'll be getting several. I've recently decided on an AK and needed to get a nice, low profile optic, anyway.

Any creative dremel- holics (or even real machinists) may want to try modding a T-1 mount to fit these. Could be interesting.

Got mine today, and the glass is way clearer than my Bushnell T25.   When the auto on comes on, it is at a low setting, so in bright daylight, one will have to turn up the brightness, at the highest setting, there is some reflection inside, but I doubt any body will need the highest setting.   It is really light, even with the mount and there is an extra base, if you use that one, you can get a UTG medium riser mount and it will be co-witness, instead of 1/3.   The battery it comes with is a Sony, so it's a good battery, also comes with cleaning cloth, bikini cover and Allen and torque wrenches.   Will see how it does on my AR on Saturday.

That's what I was hoping to hear. I hated how much tint there was with my TRS-25.

I ordered one from PA and got it the next day (today).

My only other red dot experience is with the Sig branded red dot that came with my Sig P556 SWAT. PA sells one that looks identical. SInce my red dot experience is very limited I can't give you much comparative information, but FWIW, what follows are some newbie first impressions.

Battery:
As has already been said, you remove the base plate to install a single coin cell batter (CR-2032, I think), putting it between two flaps. Kinda weird looking but works fine. The battery cover is a rubber cap rather than some sort of screw in plate. This is fine because when you put the mount back on, it is pressed solidly against the opening. Having never seen one of these before it took me about 10 minutes to install the battery. It's no big deal.

On/Off: Operation:
Simple. Pick it up and it turns on. There are two buttons ( "+" and "-") that control the red dot intensity. Press both at exactly the same time and the power turns off. If that is too much effort or you forget, it will turn itself off after 8 hrs. There is some sort of built in delay after you turn power off, during which you can move it around and it will not come on. I don't know how long that period is but I assume that pressing both buttons simultaneously turns the power on as well as off. I have not yet tried it, though.

Mounting:
The Holosun comes with a high and a low mount. I used the high mount and put it on my YHM upper (also from PA, similar to this. I mounted it with the rear of the sight roughly even with the barrel nut. In this position it gives a nice bottom 1/3 co-witness. I don't know whether my eyes are tilted or the front sight is but they seem slightly out of alignment for some reason. So do my other guns so I think the issue is me.

Zeroing:
I took it to an indoor range and shot 30 rds. of 5.56 62 gr. starting at about 10 yards, setting the windage, and then taking out it to progressively longer distances out to 75 yds, while adjusting the elevation. I won't comment on the group size because this rifle is capable of accuracy far beyond my abilities but at 75 yds from a bench rest with no magnification and sub-optimal lighting, I had a pretty easy time getting the rounds into a paper-plate sized area.

Overall impression:
No buyer's remorse at all. Since I am a novice at red dots, my recommendation means little but my first impression is that it's a decent red dot for the money. It's small, simple to operate, and gets the job done. For absolute co-witness I think it would take a slightly shorter mount but maybe there is a riser available that in combination with the low mount would give absolute co-witness.

It costs twice as much as the Sig red dot. The Holosun actually might be in the neighborhood of being twice as good when considering size and features, but definitely not twice as effective. For anyone on a budget I think the PA red dot that is like my Sig red dot is a very good choice. It's bigger but It works well and stands up to the recoil of my VEPR-12 shotgun with no problem. For those wanting a smaller red dot sight but not wanting to spend what it would take to get an Aimpoint, my first impression is that this might be a good choice.

I hope this helps.

BTW, no flip-up lens covers--it comes with a bikini cover set like my Sig red dot.

For the TLDR; crowd: I got it roughly zeroed, running 30 rds of 5.56 62 gr., and it did the job. Very simple to operate, comes with high and low mounts; high mount gives lower 1/3 co-witness. I did not encounter any issues.

I was hoping this would be a holographic sight considering its called HOLOSUN.

so with the see thru mount are there back up iron sights you can visualize through it?  Not that I would much but I always like to have a second option.

Think about that for a sec...

 

not sure what your suggesting I'm overlooking here?  I'm asking about micro/low height sights that might be visible through the mount under the optic.  I've shot UMP's with eotech's that have a similar set up among others.  Sure you could run sights like everyone else, I just wondered about alternatives.

 

Fix the mount shortcomings and I am in on one of these Holosun micros

I second this. Not one for proprietary mounts.

Mike_P is exactly right on my question -sorry I was not more elaborate.  I just wanted to make sure for the price I am getting the best bang for my buck.  I have been on the fence on saving up for an aimpoint micro, but I am not in a military environment for overly rugged use.  As said above I just wanted to make sure if I accidently bump into something tree while hunting, or accidentally drop the rifle out in the woods I will not have a broken sight - I am overly precautious. I completely understand voiding the warrenty if I throw it out of a moving car, smashing it with a hammer to test its durrability ect - not in my play book.... Just hunting, and range, that is all.  

Marshall

Hey I am a HUGE supporter of Primary Arms.  Its the first place I look for all of my purchases.  I currently own 6 of your MD-06 dots.

This one is obviously a "STEP UP" and I am VERY interested.  My hang up is that I am a firm believer in "ABSOLUTE CO-WITNESS".
Do you have ANY plans at all to offer this new RDS in an absolute version??  

Sincerely..??

Here's a for real data point that I can give you. It does not answer you question completely but here goes. I put the Holosun on my SIG P556 SWAT pistol last night and took it to the range tonight. The top of the front sight post is pretty much centered in the Holosun view. That doesn't mean it will do the same for all rail/sight combinations but it works on this one quite well.

ETA: pics

You're overlooking the fact that you are on the AR15 forum of the web site.

Thank you very much.....that is all I can ask. Here's to hoping.

Looks interesting, but I lost that interest once I read that it wasn't compatible with T-1 mounts. Why anyone would put one of these on the market thats not compatible with the mounts of what has become the standard is beyond me. I need something in a low QD mount for an AK. Since I'm not going to get a co-witness with the rail I have, a QD mount was the next best option. Screwing one to the rail would require a tool of some sort to remove it should the need arise, so the available bases for this one are a no-go for me.

I would go that route but I already have the ZenitCo setup, which wasn't cheap! Considering how hot the gas tube can get, I wonder how long it is before an optic can become medium well done???I have also never liked having the weight of an RDS   that far forward. I plan on getting the Americn Defense AD T1-L with a PA removable base micro. I'm not too big into the necessity of have a RDS co-witness with the irons, if the dot sight is on a QD base. If the need arises (dead battery or dead sight), pop it off there and carry on, and theres no worry about the irons being a distraction or on the way. Right now I have a fixed base micro on there and its nice, I just want the QD "just in case".

I got mine on wed, just got around to posting the pics today.  Overall I'm impressed.  Build quality appears good, optics are clear ad the dot is good.  IF it holds up to use (and I think it will) it is a steal of a deal at under $200.  Like others have mentioned I wish it took a t-1 mount but at this price point for the features and battery life I'm willing to make that trade off.

Came in a nice "Aimpoint looking" box.


Both wrenches, batteries, short mount and cleaning cloth included.



Here is a really crappy picture "camera shake" of what it looks like apart with the battery inserted.



Here are a couple pics of it on my SBR.




I didn't take the camera to the range but it zeroed easily and held zero throughout a 300 round shooting session.  I like the lower third cowitness.  At this point I'm very pleased with the purchase.

Looks promising.

did you see the red reflection that some people are complaining about?