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BJF,
Thank you for putting this all together. It's nice to be able to compare optics in this class. Regarding the Bushnell scopes... Are the reticle photos of the BTR1 or BTR2? Bushnell shows both for either the FFP or SFP. models I didn't see any admission or denial on Bushnell's site if the illumination is daylight visible or not. Did they make mention of this at SHOT? Thanks again. |
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Can I get a contact name for custom vx-6. Trent at Leupold says it can not be done.
I'm working on it. These things take time. Frankly, I'm surprised it's going as fast as it is. Are the reticle photos of the BTR1 or BTR2? Bushnell shows both for either the FFP or SFP.
BTR-2, As for the illumination, "daytime bright" has a good bit of subjectivity to it. Most makers will claim daytime bright but really aren't. The brightness of these Bushnells is comparable to many other 1-(n)x scopes I do not find them daytime bright. They are certainly not bright like an Aimpoint or S&B flash dot. |
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Any more info/a review of the VX-6 with circle dot? That is the exact scope I'm considering replacing my 1.5-5x mk4 with.
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Originally Posted By TexAg10:
Any more info/a review of the VX-6 with circle dot? That is the exact scope I'm considering replacing my 1.5-5x mk4 with. What would you like to know? I have one here so I can try to answer any questions. |
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Thanks Creedlemyer. I have a few questions:
1. Is the dot daytime bright? 2. Is it a true 1x? 3. How do you like the way you turn on / adjust the brightness of the dot? |
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Originally Posted By creedlemyerjones:
Originally Posted By TexAg10:
Any more info/a review of the VX-6 with circle dot? That is the exact scope I'm considering replacing my 1.5-5x mk4 with. What would you like to know? I have one here so I can try to answer any questions. M4coyotehunter pretty much nailed it. Basically I am happy with my 1.5-5x when shooting beyond 50yds, but am not a fan inside that range. The extra magnification and lack of a daytime visible dot slows me down. If this has a daytime visible dot and is a true 1x at the bottom I think it'd be worth replacing my current scope. |
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There is a little review of the scope on page 19.
The scope is a true 1x and the red dot is daytime visible. It's bright. The red dot is a simple push button activation and adjustment. I would actually like to know if the red dot will be safe with night vision. I might be selling this scope for the other Leupold Mark 6 1-6x or the SWFA 1-6x |
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Sean Cody
Attorney at Law www.TexasGunTrust.com [email protected] 281.451.4175 "Providing NFA Trusts and Counseling to Texans" |
I received the Leupold custom shop VX6 1-6x with mil reticule and mil adjustments not long ago and I am in the process of putting it though the paces. I did a power and box test with it today and plan to shoot some more with it tomorrow. I have been in contact intermittently with the rep (actually the scope is his personal unit.) I am trying to get some names of folks in the custom shop that are wise to the availability of the mil / mil options and should have them shortly. Looks like the cost for the mil / mil unit from the custom shop will be around $950 so basically the mil options are adding $150 to the stock price. It is my understanding that the scope is available right now though I do not think CDS dials are yet. I understand that once the dials are available it will be an easy add on not a situation where you have to send the unit back in for service. I'll try to get some picks and possible some data from tomorrows shoot.
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Originally Posted By BigJimFish:
I received the Leupold custom shop VX6 1-6x with mil reticule and mil adjustments not long ago and I am in the process of putting it though the paces. I did a power and box test with it today and plan to shoot some more with it tomorrow. I have been in contact intermittently with the rep (actually the scope is his personal unit.) I am trying to get some names of folks in the custom shop that are wise to the availability of the mil / mil options and should have them shortly. Looks like the cost for the mil / mil unit from the custom shop will be around $950 so basically the mil options are adding $150 to the stock price. It is my understanding that the scope is available right now though I do not think CDS dials are yet. I understand that once the dials are available it will be an easy add on not a situation where you have to send the unit back in for service. I'll try to get some picks and possible some data from tomorrows shoot. Will this have the gold ring, or is it blacked out? |
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Will this have the gold ring, or is it blacked out?
The one they sent me is gold. |
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Originally Posted By BigJimFish:
I received the Leupold custom shop VX6 1-6x with mil reticule and mil adjustments not long ago and I am in the process of putting it though the paces. I did a power and box test with it today and plan to shoot some more with it tomorrow. I have been in contact intermittently with the rep (actually the scope is his personal unit.) I am trying to get some names of folks in the custom shop that are wise to the availability of the mil / mil options and should have them shortly. Looks like the cost for the mil / mil unit from the custom shop will be around $950 so basically the mil options are adding $150 to the stock price. It is my understanding that the scope is available right now though I do not think CDS dials are yet. I understand that once the dials are available it will be an easy add on not a situation where you have to send the unit back in for service. I'll try to get some picks and possible some data from tomorrows shoot. Can you send in your already purchased scope and have a new SPR mil/mil reticle installed for $150?? Can they add the red dot to a non-red dot vx-6? Thanks, T |
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Can you send in your already purchased scope and have a new SPR mil/mil reticle installed for $150?? Can they add the red dot to a non-red dot vx-6?
I know that Leupold does reticle changes in the custom shop. As to the adjustments (English to Metric) or the illumination I am not sure. I doubt very much that the illumination can be added as it appears to me that the two versions use differently machined saddle sections. I am quite sure that with all the changes required you would be ahead monetarily by simply selling what you have and buying a new one. |
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JBF, when you were at Shot, was this mentioned? In their industry forum they have a press release and the guy who helped design it does know what he's doing. Jerry had one on his rifle this past weekend at the LaRue 3-gun and I didn't recognize the optic. (didn't get a chance to ask him about it). This looks VERY promising if the dot is daylight bright.
http://swfa.com/Vortex-1-6x24-Razor-HD-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P55713.aspx http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/razor-hd-gen-2-1-6x24-riflescope-with-jm-1-reticle |
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Originally Posted By 33shooter:
JBF, when you were at Shot, was this mentioned? In their industry forum they have a press release and the guy who helped design it does know what he's doing. Jerry had one on his rifle this past weekend at the LaRue 3-gun and I didn't recognize the optic. (didn't get a chance to ask him about it). This looks VERY promising if the dot is daylight bright. http://swfa.com/Vortex-1-6x24-Razor-HD-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P55713.aspx http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/razor-hd-gen-2-1-6x24-riflescope-with-jm-1-reticle I wonder why Vortex has been so hush hush about this scope. I asked our Vortex rep about a 1-6x and he said there was nothing coming out this year. |
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Originally Posted By BigJimFish:
Can you send in your already purchased scope and have a new SPR mil/mil reticle installed for $150?? Can they add the red dot to a non-red dot vx-6?
I know that Leupold does reticle changes in the custom shop. As to the adjustments (English to Metric) or the illumination I am not sure. I doubt very much that the illumination can be added as it appears to me that the two versions use differently machined saddle sections. I am quite sure that with all the changes required you would be ahead monetarily by simply selling what you have and buying a new one. I emailed Leupold last week asking if it would be possible to have the SPR reticle installed in the VX-6, and was told that the VX-6 is only available in the offered reticles because it is a unique tube. Is this information incorrect? |
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Originally Posted By creedlemyerjones:
here is Leupold's VX-6 1-6x Circle Dot Post reticule. All pictures I have seen are incorrect. Here it is and the illumination is just as the BigJimFish states on page 20 http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c222/creedlemyerjones/P1000159.jpg I'm considering getting one of these scopes. Can you take a pic of the reticle against a distant background with the dot on max? I can't decide between this reticle or a German 4. |
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I'm more or less looking at the SPR reticle to gauge holdovers.
I don't think its a good ranging ret. Really, anything I'd have to range to shoot i'd probably want to shoot with a bigger gun. |
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Has anyone tortured tested one of the Leapers 1-4X24 scopes for giggles? I am curious as to how long they would actually hold up and if they would even hold zero if used in a good mount.
No, I am not volunteering to buy one for the cause. But if someone has already done it, then great. I will stick with my Leupold MR/T 1.5-5 for serious use. I just kind of wondered if one of the Leapers would even be worth using on one of my suppressed .22 Rugers, but I have a feeling I would be better off just buying a Primary Arms scope for that.. |
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Originally Posted By BigJimFish:
I emailed Leupold last week asking if it would be possible to have the SPR reticle installed in the VX-6, and was told that the VX-6 is only available in the offered reticles because it is a unique tube. Is this information incorrect?
That information is incorrect. I have been told by the rep that the custom shop folks have all recently had a briefing on this so it should not be a be a problem any longer. Thanks for the update. Any word on what reticles (if any) aren't available? I was also considering the CM-R2 reticle. |
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Originally Posted By Scottyman:
The updated SS reticle 4X http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp343/Scottyman_01/Reticle.jpg 2X http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp343/Scottyman_01/Reticle2.jpg The SS 1-4 continues to be my go to scope. I recently had to FINALLY RMA the scope due illumination quitting on it. Keep in mind this was a Gen 1 which was having issues with the cap, spring, neoprene thing etc. They are local so I just drove there. The replacement scope has the updated reticle and immediately saw 420 rounds of 7.62x39 without issue and no illumination problems. It remains in large part my go to scope because it does not utilize a BDC so I can take it from weapon to weapon. The illumination is daylight (not that I really ever use illumination) capable and its priced well. When asked what 1-4 I'd recommend, its the SS. |
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Have you used the VX-6 with any of the other reticles? I'm leaning toward the duplex. I like the German 4, but I find myself wishing the bold portions were the same size as the duplex, and the fine segment...more fine.
IMO, this would be a very strong scope with a simple mil-dot reticle. The duplex seems to get close to that, obviously lacking the mil-dots. On the turrets, does the lower picture show the windage with the cap off? Is it in similar style to the ones found on the Trijicon TR24? Adjust, pull up, twist to zero and push down... |
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Originally Posted By Z3roCoo1:
I know its not a "true" 1x, but does anyone have experience with the Bushnell Elite 4200 1.25-4? They are going for a very reasonable price on Amazon so I picked one up. I should have it in my hands next week. I'm sure its no IOR or Swarovski, but may currently be the best deal in $300 low power variables. It's supposed to have good glass and build quality. One thing that I really liked about it is that its about inch or two shorter and a few ounces lighter than other illuminated 1-4 scopes. I have a Bushnell Elite 4200 1.25 - 4. It is an outstanding scope. I also got it when Amazon had a crazy deal on them (I think I paid $250 about 4 years ago for it) You will not br dissapointed. |
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Have you used the VX-6 with any of the other reticles? I saw it with the circle dot post at Shot. I prefer the SPR or #4 to that reticle.
On the turrets, does the lower picture show the windage with the cap off? Is it in similar style to the ones found on the Trijicon TR24? Adjust, pull up, twist to zero and push down... Yes and Yes.
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Has anyone else been able to get a VX6 with the SPR reticle from the custom shop?
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Great writeup on the Elcan.
Now, what we need is an Variable Power Acog with a low end of 1x and a high end of 6x (1x/6x) with a similar power switching system to the Elcan. Fiber optic and tritium powered illumination, with a battery option; and built-in mounting points @ 10, 12, & 2 o-clock for a MRDS (Trijicon RMR would be great). I wish |
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Thanks for the corrections Augee. I have updated the review to reflect these changes.
-Jim |
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Leupold CQBSS 1.1-8x recently had a MSRP Drop to $2999
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Originally Posted By 33shooter:
Leupold CQBSS 1.1-8x recently had a MSRP Drop to $2999 If you're military call for the FED/LE price list. It's a lot cheaper than that. |
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Oh yes, yes it is...It's now in range
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I have updated the GRSC review on page 17 to close quarters testing data taken when testing the Leupold VX-6 and Elcan Specter DR.
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Has anyone pulled the trigger on getting the Bushnell Tactical 1-6.5 yet ? I'm seriously considering this or the soon the be released Vortex HD 1-6X....
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Just to bring in a scope which hasn´t been on the list yet:
http://www.ddoptics.de/v6-1-6x24-hdx A good deal in my opinion, depending on how much you want to spent for a scope, after searching for over half of the year for "the" scope. Have ordered one and hope to get it at the end of June. Didn´t find any bad review of this stuff and I´m really curious about that. |
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Check this: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=148986&view=findpost&p=1723334
Although I'm more interested in the FFP BTR-2..... Originally Posted By JOHNNY223: Has anyone pulled the trigger on getting the Bushnell Tactical 1-6.5 yet ? I'm seriously considering this or the soon the be released Vortex HD 1-6X.... |
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Originally Posted By BigJimFish:
In any case, the scope itself appeared to be an unaltered Light Optics of Japan 1-6x package. It is therefore comparable optically and mechanically to the GRSC 1-6x, Bushnell 1-6.5x, and, I suspect though I have not confirmed, SS 1-6x and Vortex Razor HD 1-6x. I do not remember being impressed with the DD's reticle and I can't imagine the warranty service is quite as easy as it is with some of the above brands so I would lean towards one of the other brands offering that optical package. My opinion of this Light Optics made package is very good as you can see from my reviews of the other brands offering it. Siryessir, what I know, you are right, it seems to be made by Optic Lights / Japan. What you get from there is what you are willing to pay for. They are able to do very reliable and high quality scopes, depending on what is ordered. But by the way, in the European gun forums, the DDOptics are higher rated than for example the Meopta. I can´t judge this, never having had a hand on one. A dealer, "doubleaction" from Vienna / Austria said, that he had Meopta and Leupold in his store. But since he has the DDOptics, the customers are leaving the others back after having watched through all of them. DDOptics is a small "producer" which has only small charges every time, but the request is growing over here. That´s why I have to wait for mine a while. Warranty is 30 years, but DDOptics exists just a couple of years and you never know what happens. I just want to say, that a 30 years warranty from Leupold - for example - is a little bit more reliable to me. Unfortunately I can´t compare the GRSC (don´t deliver outta the States), Bushnell, SWFA and so on. But what is said over here, is that the DDOptics is close to the Swarovsky Zi6, not the same, but closer than others. The only con in my opinion is, like you true said, the reticule. It has only Duplex or MilDot. Jayjay out. |
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- GRSC 1-6x
- Bushnell 1-6.5x - SS 1-6x - Vortex Razor HD 1-6x - Leupold VX6 1-6x24 Sir, what I would be really interrested in, adding the Leupold to your list, is which of these scopes you would prefer and why. The reason is, that they are all in the same (my ) price range. |
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- GRSC 1-6x
- Bushnell 1-6.5x - SS 1-6x - Vortex Razor HD 1-6x - Leupold VX6 1-6x24 Sir, what I would be really interested in, adding the Leupold to your list, is which of these scopes you would prefer and why. The reason is, that they are all in the same (my ) price range. I believe the GRSC, Bushnell, SS, and Razor are probably all based on the same optical chassis. I prefer this design to the one Leupold uses because, at 1x there is less barrel distortion and this allows it to be much faster. In my opinion, Leupold's better illumination scheme and wider field of view does not make up for this. As for the Light Optics products, I believe that the GRSC has the best reticle and the SWFA has an excellent warranty and an attractive price during their current promotion. Those are my two favorites at this time but that is subject to change given that I am making assumptions on the SS and Vortex products. I have not seen them in person and they may be different than I expect them to be. It would not be the first time I have been surprised. |
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If you slightly bump up the magnification on the VX6 does the barrel distortion go away?
Its worth noting not all of those scopes are on equal grounds when it comes to price. |
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Originally Posted By BigJimFish:
... It would not be the first time I have been surprised. Thank you for answering my question! If I could I would handle you a beer. |
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Jim - Talking to the custom shop at Leupold...running into the same thing someone else brought up. Other than the multi-gun, doesn't look like (they think) they can do a special order on the VX-6 1x6 or 2x12.
Couple of questions...do you know if they can do the SPR on the 2x12? Do you have any info on who to talk to that knows more about the 1x6 and the SPR? Thx |
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If you slightly bump up the magnification on the VX6 does the barrel distortion go away?
Its worth noting not all of those scopes are on equal grounds when it comes to price. I tried fiddling with the magnification ring as well as the diopter to yield a better two eyes open experience. I was unable to get as good a merging of the images as many of the other scopes in my testing provided. I do not remember if bumping the mag yielded a flatter field of view specifically having magnification in one eye but not the other causes enough problems on its own that flattening things out would not solve anything if that is how it must be done. Jim - Talking to the custom shop at Leupold...running into the same thing someone else brought up. Other than the multi-gun, doesn't look like (they think) they can do a special order on the VX-6 1x6 or 2x12.
Couple of questions...do you know if they can do the SPR on the 2x12? Do you have any info on who to talk to that knows more about the 1x6 and the SPR? Thx I wrote the Leupold rep concerning these questions. Here is the response: Right now the custom shop is not doing any special orders on the VX-6’s. Generally speaking there is a 1-2 year wait time on newly introduced products before we are able to offer major customizations due to production demand. The custom shop can currently do external modifications such as engravings and CDS dials, but will not be offering “special builds” until later in the year / early 2013.
The second part of the question: when the Custom Shop does start offering custom builds and modifications on the VX-6 series they should be able to install the FireDot SPR from the 1-6 in the 2-12, but the subtensions will not be correct due to the difference in magnification. Also, due to the design differences between the 6x system of the VX-6 and all other current production scopes, when the Custom Shop is able to do reticle swaps they will only be able to update with the reticles currently available in VX-6’s, or built specifically for VX-6’s. Another question we get is “Can you install Mark 6 reticles in the VX-6?” and the answer is no, because the erector systems are built differently and the Mark 6’s are FFP and the VX-6 is SFP. |
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Can´t wait that long.
Don´t understand why they offer no BDC, ordered another scope. |
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