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Posted: 10/14/2004 6:59:24 PM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2006 8:14:28 PM by strick909]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT What is BUIS anyway? BUIS, or Back Up Iron Sights, come in many configurations. The purpose of a BUIS sytem is to give the shooter the ability to accurately aim the rifle if the primary optic fails. What types are available? Two types are available, flip up and fixed. It is possible to combine the two systems and use a flip up in the rear and a fixed FSB (front sight base) or vise versa. What is co-witness? A: Co-Witness is the ability of your irons to look through your optic (1x - not magnified) - so they both shoot on the same trajectory. There are two kinds - absolute (both the dot and irons are on the same plan), and offset (where the irons are usually in the lower 1/3 of the optics display). With co-witnessed sights you can verify the zero of the optic by looking through the irons (the dot should sit on top of the front sight). However, normally you look over the irons and just use the optic (trust me, you won't notice the iron sights); should the batteries fail your head comes down a fraction of an inch and you're using the iron sights (looking throught the now-dead optic). (from the Maryland AR15 Shooters FAQ) groups.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=MyPhotos_GetPubPhoto&PhotoID=nJwAAANwMUuAJ7JC8BIu3u5hfwsqH9Z0x3oIwsknAVfVqkoJ0B820UgDvJdctqwwGbFtqpVZEnbk What makes folding BUIS so good? Some shooters like to use a primary optic (such as an Aimpoint or EOTech) with no visual distractions. The folding BUIS sytems would be ideal for this. Other shooters using magnified optics will require a folding rear sight in order to get proper placement of a scope. Many first responders like a folding front BUIS because it is less likely to get hung on something compared to a fixed FSB. What makes fixed BUIS so good? First, it is less expensive. Most rifles will come with iron sights and adding a primary optic to an existing system would be the cheapest way to get set up. Also, if you ever need your BUIS, there is nothing to "flip". They are already in place. That means that the time to transition to BUIS from a disapearing red dot is zero. If I use a magnified optic, won't the FSB be in the way? Nope. You won't even see it. What distance should I zero my BUIS? 50 yard IBZ Where is the best place to buy my BUIS? Who has the best prices? Please support the dealers who support this site! Check the Industry Forum for a list of dealers and also check the Equipment Exchange for other deals on BUIS and optics from dealers and members of AR15.com!! All of the BUIS below have a hot link to the original manufacturer. These links are for informational purposes. Most of the time, an AR15.com dealer will have a better price. However, there are exceptions. Ameetec, Bushmaster, & Cavarms are all AR15.com supporters, so it's ok to order from them. Talon Arms is my personal dealer of choice... ![]() Talon Arms in the Industry Forum What BUIS sytems are available? ARMS 40L ![]() 40L SP (same plane aperture) 40A2 (2.0 oz) ![]() ![]() Ameetec Arms Front Folding ![]() Rear Folding ![]() Bushmaster BMAS BMAS fixed rear (3.2 oz) ![]() BMAS flip up rear (1.5oz) ![]() BMAS Flip up front ![]() BMAS flip up front rail mount ![]() Cavalry Arms Cavarms fixed rear ![]() DPMS Fixed rear ![]() Mangonel Front Flip Up Sight ![]() Mangonel Rear Flip Up Sight ![]() Detachable Front Sight ![]() GG&G MAD flip up rear ![]() A2 flip up ![]() Tactical Modular flip up front ![]() Flip up front for dovetailed gas blocks ![]() Knight's Armament (no link available) Rear Folding 300 Meter Sight ![]() 600 Meter Folding Rear Sight (2.25oz) ![]() Folding Front Sight for RAS ![]() LaRue Tactical Fixed rear sight (QD) (3.0oz) ![]() Les Baer Front flip up w/gas block ![]() ![]() LMT Fixed rear sight ![]() Tactical Front Sight Assembly ![]() Matech No link Folding rear no photo Midwest Industries Folding Rear ![]() PRI Front flip up gas block Rail mounted front sight Samson Mfg. Quick Flip Sights Barrel mounted Quick Flip Sight / Gas Block ![]() ![]() Rail Mounted Quick Flip Sight ![]() Weaver gas block mounted Quick Flip Sight ![]() ![]() Troy Industries Flip up Rear (1.9oz) ![]() Flip up front Rail mount (2.2oz) ![]() Wilson Combat Flip-Up Rear Sight ![]() Yankee Hill Machine Gas Block Front Flip Sight ![]() Forearm Front Flip Sight ![]() Solid Front Sight ![]() Front Sight Gas Block ![]() Front Sight Tower ![]() Flip Rear Site ![]() Solid Rear Sight
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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:07:42 PM
Absolutely needs to be a sticky
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Posted: 10/15/2004 3:33:33 PM
BTT for comments anyone?
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Posted: 10/15/2004 4:03:47 PM
This should be tacked. Good info.
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Posted: 10/15/2004 7:36:58 PM
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 7:37:40 PM by Perfectforce]
I would really like to see some opinions of people that have used or are using any of these BUIS.
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Posted: 10/15/2004 7:41:05 PM
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 7:46:07 PM by norman74]
That's the only two rail-mounted flip fronts? Troy and YHM/BMAS?
Oh, and you left out the Cavarms rear BUIS ![]() Knight's 600 meter rear ![]() and 300 meter rear ![]() and folding rail mount front ![]() and SR25 flip front ![]() and the Wilson Combat flip up rear ![]() |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 7:47:32 PM
That's why I posted this. I was hoping that we could start a central BUIS discussion thread instead of reading 50 seperate threads on each individual BUIS. FWIW, I use the ARMS 40A. It's very solid and combat proven. You can find them in the EE all the time for less than $100. I am looking to pick up a new BUIS for a scoped upper. I really like what I am hearing about the ARMS 40L and the Troy folder. Hopefully we will get some reviews soon. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 7:50:38 PM
norman74,
Thank you very much! I forgot all about the KAC sights. The others I have never seen. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 9:35:32 PM
This rates a permanent tack.
Dave S BTW, thanx. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 9:59:17 PM
Some good info in this thread. Hesitate to say to tack since 1. There are a lot of stickys alreadys and 2. People refuse to read them and ask the same ass questions anyway. GJ though.
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Posted: 10/15/2004 11:42:42 PM
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 11:52:47 PM by strick909]
DPMS, LMT and Les Baer added
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Posted: 10/16/2004 4:49:35 PM
I think it needs to be tacked. All the other stickies have to do with optics. Starting just 1 for BUIS is beneficial.
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Posted: 10/16/2004 4:53:32 PM
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 4:54:31 PM by NYPatriot]
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Posted: 10/16/2004 5:29:17 PM
I agree this needs to be tacked to this page.
Too much good info to just pass up. |
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Posted: 10/16/2004 5:42:22 PM
Good info. Now, just add the weights for each, and it will be tack worthy.
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Posted: 10/18/2004 7:39:35 PM
Bump for all the BUIS questions lately
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Posted: 10/18/2004 10:58:04 PM
Great thread!!!!!!
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Posted: 10/19/2004 1:36:11 AM
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Posted: 10/19/2004 9:26:36 AM
+1 for Tagged.
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Posted: 10/19/2004 9:53:19 AM
Thanks for the info Good Job. Answers a pile of questions I had about sight options. Can they put this in the build it yourself section for further reference?
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Posted: 10/19/2004 10:46:27 AM
tag
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Posted: 10/19/2004 11:10:03 AM
Great Job !!! - BTW I think you should add the Cav-Arms A1 style fixed rear sight.
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Posted: 10/19/2004 1:57:31 PM
If someone knows the weights of each, I will add them. And does anyone have a link to Knight's? I did not list MSRP because all of the links are hot and you can get that info from the manufacturer anyway. But, if you guys want it, I will list it. Is there anything else I am missing? (BTW, I did not list the A1 hot-linked because it is not yet a regular production sight.) Knights (via Impact Guns), Cavarms, and Wilson Combat added to the first post. |
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Posted: 10/19/2004 3:05:49 PM
Great info! Someone tack this post already!!!
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Posted: 10/19/2004 3:28:12 PM
I'll tell you what I'll share the info I have if you get the weights on the others: From the 'Chart of AR-15 Part and Assembly Weights' from The Maryland AR-15 Shooters Site: (weight is in US ounces). Troy Front Flip Up Sight 2.2 Troy Flip Up Rear BUIS 1.9 ARMS #40 BUIS 2.0 LaRue BUIS 3.0 KAC 600M BUIS 2.25 Armalite "Chopped Carry Handle" sight 4.9 Detachable Carry Handle (A2 sights) 9.6 |
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Posted: 10/19/2004 3:56:46 PM
Tag..good info here
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