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Posted: 6/16/2015 4:46:48 PM EDT
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Who is the current M-16/M-4 aluminum magazine supplier to US military? Is the current issue magazine any different than ones from 20 years ago? Are they available for sale to public? Okay Industries Brownells Colt (manufactured by Okay Industries) Center Industries Other than an updated follower design they are the same. Brownells, Colt and Okay Industries sell retail. |
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Posted: 6/16/2015 5:00:02 PM EDT
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Brownells has the current contract for the latest magazine design. I believe the bodies are the same. They use a different spring and Tan follower. Brownells cannot sell the tan follower/spring combo, but they do sell their bodies with Magpul followers and standard springs.
Springs from the Tan follower mags are different from standard and are not compatible with standard followers. The top round is on the left instead of the right side when the magazine is full. On the USMC side I normally get issued OK magazines. I have been issued PMags in the past, but they are no longer allowed. |
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Posted: 6/17/2015 8:09:42 AM EDT
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I read somewhere that Brownells is no longer supplying the militry with magazines.
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Posted: 6/17/2015 8:39:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/19/2015 10:54:37 AM EDT
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I read somewhere that Brownells is no longer supplying the militry with magazines. Interesting, I hadn't heard that. The new magazines coming this summer are made by Center Industries and it does have a new most and feed lip geometry, as well as a new follower. |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 11:48:16 AM EDT
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Different from the current tan follower? Where did you get this information? Why would they convert from the tan follower after just adopting it?
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Posted: 6/19/2015 4:43:13 PM EDT
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The new magazines coming this summer are made by Center Industries and it does have a new most and feed lip geometry, as well as a new follower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read somewhere that Brownells is no longer supplying the militry with magazines. Interesting, I hadn't heard that. The new magazines coming this summer are made by Center Industries and it does have a new most and feed lip geometry, as well as a new follower. A new what and feedlip geometry? I knew they were changing the feedlips to a little more angle like a pmag. Didn't know about the follower. I heard these design changes are because of the M855A1 and high cyclic rate in the 10.3" guns. I don't think the changes are going to be noticeable in semi-auto 14.5-20" guns. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:55:21 AM EDT
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A new what and feedlip geometry? I knew they were changing the feedlips to a little more angle like a pmag. Didn't know about the follower. I heard these design changes are because of the M855A1 and high cyclic rate in the 10.3" guns. I don't think the changes are going to be noticeable in semi-auto 14.5-20" guns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read somewhere that Brownells is no longer supplying the militry with magazines. Interesting, I hadn't heard that. The new magazines coming this summer are made by Center Industries and it does have a new most and feed lip geometry, as well as a new follower. A new what and feedlip geometry? I knew they were changing the feedlips to a little more angle like a pmag. Didn't know about the follower. I heard these design changes are because of the M855A1 and high cyclic rate in the 10.3" guns. I don't think the changes are going to be noticeable in semi-auto 14.5-20" guns. New feed lip geometry and a higher front wall height. The follower is more like Magpul followers. Instead of that dry tan follower it's a slick grey follower. Basically just get pmagss or lancers that already feature these things. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 1:06:44 PM EDT
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New feed lip geometry and a higher front wall height. The follower is more like Magpul followers. Instead of that dry tan follower it's a slick grey follower. Basically just get pmagss or lancers that already feature these things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read somewhere that Brownells is no longer supplying the militry with magazines. Interesting, I hadn't heard that. The new magazines coming this summer are made by Center Industries and it does have a new most and feed lip geometry, as well as a new follower. A new what and feedlip geometry? I knew they were changing the feedlips to a little more angle like a pmag. Didn't know about the follower. I heard these design changes are because of the M855A1 and high cyclic rate in the 10.3" guns. I don't think the changes are going to be noticeable in semi-auto 14.5-20" guns. New feed lip geometry and a higher front wall height. The follower is more like Magpul followers. Instead of that dry tan follower it's a slick grey follower. Basically just get pmagss or lancers that already feature these things. Just curious where you're getting this information as I have not heard this. Source? Will the new mags / followers use the updated spring design that was implemented with the current tan followers or the old "classic" spring design with the old green / black spring? Or another all new design? Will the body material be strengthened or updated in any way in regards to durability? |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 8:30:56 PM EDT
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Okay Industries Brownells Colt (manufactured by Okay Industries) Center Industries Other than an updated follower design they are the same. Brownells, Colt and Okay Industries sell retail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is the current M-16/M-4 aluminum magazine supplier to US military? Is the current issue magazine any different than ones from 20 years ago? Are they available for sale to public? Okay Industries Brownells Colt (manufactured by Okay Industries) Center Industries Other than an updated follower design they are the same. Brownells, Colt and Okay Industries sell retail. What about C Products?? I heard they have an NSN.... 
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Posted: 6/20/2015 9:39:32 PM EDT
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What about C Products?? I heard they have an NSN.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is the current M-16/M-4 aluminum magazine supplier to US military? Is the current issue magazine any different than ones from 20 years ago? Are they available for sale to public? Okay Industries Brownells Colt (manufactured by Okay Industries) Center Industries Other than an updated follower design they are the same. Brownells, Colt and Okay Industries sell retail. What about C Products?? I heard they have an NSN.... Did Larry ever cough up to which "military" he actually supplied..??? 
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:57:17 PM EDT
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Did Larry ever cough up to which "military" he actually supplied..???
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Who is the current M-16/M-4 aluminum magazine supplier to US military? Is the current issue magazine any different than ones from 20 years ago? Are they available for sale to public? Okay Industries Brownells Colt (manufactured by Okay Industries) Center Industries Other than an updated follower design they are the same. Brownells, Colt and Okay Industries sell retail. What about C Products?? I heard they have an NSN.... Did Larry ever cough up to which "military" he actually supplied..???
Probably the same military that was supplied by these losers.... 
Sorry, I couldn't resist
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Posted: 6/21/2015 12:17:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2015 2:52:33 PM EDT
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Did Larry ever cough up to which "military" he actually supplied..???
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Who is the current M-16/M-4 aluminum magazine supplier to US military? Is the current issue magazine any different than ones from 20 years ago? Are they available for sale to public? Okay Industries Brownells Colt (manufactured by Okay Industries) Center Industries Other than an updated follower design they are the same. Brownells, Colt and Okay Industries sell retail. What about C Products?? I heard they have an NSN.... Did Larry ever cough up to which "military" he actually supplied..???
Possibly the Salvation Army?? The Cub Scouts? Maybe they were used in "The War on Poverty" If Larry chaimed he was building parts for the International Space Station people here would be foolish enough to believe him, and send him more of their money............. |
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Posted: 6/21/2015 7:43:43 PM EDT
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To answer the original posters' question the the new generation M-16 magazines will be made by Center Industries as a NISH corporation using a US Government Technical Data Package. Ability One Program NISH I really don't see this changing much in to future, as a NIB-NISH is a preferred source under law. Like Skilcraft pens the U.S. Goverment is supposed to buy its magazines Center Industries a Ability One NISH company if possible. The US Army had to get a waiver to buy from Brownell's due to the demand for magazines when both Iraq and Afghanistan wars were going on at the same time. You don't have to have an NSN to sell to Government, but if you want to sell large quantities of magazines and have it issued through the supply system you do have to have an NSN for your product. Units do do local purchasing though Bankcard using their own funds and have been known to purchase magazines, and other related supplies which would qualify as a government purchase. I.E. units were purchasing bore snakes through Bankcard before it became a NSN item. Regards: 
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Posted: 6/21/2015 11:19:58 PM EDT
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Hmm. Interesting. I wonder if that has anything to do with Okay not doing NHMTG anymore and selling mags to the commercial market marked Okay? |
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Posted: 6/22/2015 1:39:28 AM EDT
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Hi, To answer the original posters' question the the new generation M-16 magazines will be made by Center Industries as a NISH corporation using a US Government Technical Data Package. Ability One Program NISH I really don't see this changing much in to future, as a NIB-NISH is a preferred source under law. Like Skilcraft pens the U.S. Goverment is supposed to buy its magazines Center Industries a Ability One NISH company if possible. The US Army had to get a waiver to buy from Brownell's due to the demand for magazines when both Iraq and Afghanistan wars were going on at the same time. You don't have to have an NSN to sell to Government, but if you want to sell large quantities of magazines and have it issued through the supply system you do have to have an NSN for your product. Units do do local purchasing though Bankcard using their own funds and have been known to purchase magazines, and other related supplies which would qualify as a government purchase. I.E. units were purchasing bore snakes through Bankcard before it became a NSN item. Regards: That's too bad. Brownell's produced the finest USGI mags I have ever seen, they are still my favorite mags. Their quality was a lot better than Center's. |
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Posted: 6/22/2015 9:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's too bad. Brownell's produced the finest USGI mags I have ever seen, they are still my favorite mags. Their quality was a lot better than Center's. I used to really dislike Center mags because I thought they were trashy. Until I used some. They're fine. They function and last just as well as Brownells and Okays IME. They're not as pretty, but they're made by blind folks....
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Posted: 6/24/2015 1:00:10 AM EDT
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That's too bad. Brownell's produced the finest USGI mags I have ever seen, they are still my favorite mags. Their quality was a lot better than Center's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hi, To answer the original posters' question the the new generation M-16 magazines will be made by Center Industries as a NISH corporation using a US Government Technical Data Package. Ability One Program NISH I really don't see this changing much in to future, as a NIB-NISH is a preferred source under law. Like Skilcraft pens the U.S. Goverment is supposed to buy its magazines Center Industries a Ability One NISH company if possible. The US Army had to get a waiver to buy from Brownell's due to the demand for magazines when both Iraq and Afghanistan wars were going on at the same time. You don't have to have an NSN to sell to Government, but if you want to sell large quantities of magazines and have it issued through the supply system you do have to have an NSN for your product. Units do do local purchasing though Bankcard using their own funds and have been known to purchase magazines, and other related supplies which would qualify as a government purchase. I.E. units were purchasing bore snakes through Bankcard before it became a NSN item. Regards: That's too bad. Brownell's produced the finest USGI mags I have ever seen, they are still my favorite mags. Their quality was a lot better than Center's. Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 11:46:08 AM EDT
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Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hi, To answer the original posters' question the the new generation M-16 magazines will be made by Center Industries as a NISH corporation using a US Government Technical Data Package. Ability One Program NISH I really don't see this changing much in to future, as a NIB-NISH is a preferred source under law. Like Skilcraft pens the U.S. Goverment is supposed to buy its magazines Center Industries a Ability One NISH company if possible. The US Army had to get a waiver to buy from Brownell's due to the demand for magazines when both Iraq and Afghanistan wars were going on at the same time. You don't have to have an NSN to sell to Government, but if you want to sell large quantities of magazines and have it issued through the supply system you do have to have an NSN for your product. Units do do local purchasing though Bankcard using their own funds and have been known to purchase magazines, and other related supplies which would qualify as a government purchase. I.E. units were purchasing bore snakes through Bankcard before it became a NSN item. Regards: That's too bad. Brownell's produced the finest USGI mags I have ever seen, they are still my favorite mags. Their quality was a lot better than Center's. Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. I think unless you're shooting full auto, and a very high volume, of M855A1 it's not likely to be an issue. There isn't even a current source for any of us non military to obtain M855A1, so at the moment it's not even likely to touch one of our guns. |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 3:24:55 PM EDT
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I think unless you're shooting full auto, and a very high volume, of M855A1 it's not likely to be an issue. There isn't even a current source for any of us non military to obtain M855A1, so at the moment it's not even likely to touch one of our guns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hi, To answer the original posters' question the the new generation M-16 magazines will be made by Center Industries as a NISH corporation using a US Government Technical Data Package. Ability One Program NISH I really don't see this changing much in to future, as a NIB-NISH is a preferred source under law. Like Skilcraft pens the U.S. Goverment is supposed to buy its magazines Center Industries a Ability One NISH company if possible. The US Army had to get a waiver to buy from Brownell's due to the demand for magazines when both Iraq and Afghanistan wars were going on at the same time. You don't have to have an NSN to sell to Government, but if you want to sell large quantities of magazines and have it issued through the supply system you do have to have an NSN for your product. Units do do local purchasing though Bankcard using their own funds and have been known to purchase magazines, and other related supplies which would qualify as a government purchase. I.E. units were purchasing bore snakes through Bankcard before it became a NSN item. Regards: That's too bad. Brownell's produced the finest USGI mags I have ever seen, they are still my favorite mags. Their quality was a lot better than Center's. Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. I think unless you're shooting full auto, and a very high volume, of M855A1 it's not likely to be an issue. There isn't even a current source for any of us non military to obtain M855A1, so at the moment it's not even likely to touch one of our guns. True, but the new gi mags are being changed to be more like arc mags...just aluminum. |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 3:34:43 PM EDT
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Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. All Pmags or just the Gen M3? |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 3:50:36 PM EDT
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Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. All Pmags or just the Gen M3? Not sure about the first gen pmags, but second and third gen plays both have a higher feed angle that places the tip of the bullet about 2/3 of the way up the feed ramp. Compare that to my tan follower gi mags that have the bullet tip striking the very bottom of the feed ramp, and often times riding the extended feed ramp built into the upper during high cyclic moments. This is why the new magazines coming later this year are designed mimmicking the feed angle of the PMAG and ARC mag(both have identical feed angles. The one positive the ARC magazine has, is its follower has the first bullet on the same side as the tan followers. |
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Posted: 6/25/2015 2:10:27 AM EDT
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Here's an example of what I meant. Granted this is done on my civilian rifle with M193, but it illustrates what I mean. This is when the bullet tip first comes into contact with the feed ramp.
Tan follower GI brownells. 
That should add a visual to what I meant. Now this is with ball tip M193, the effect would be more exaggerated with say M855A1's tip and higher cyclic rate rifles will often catch the round slightly lower in the magazine. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 5:04:46 AM EDT
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Different from the current tan follower? Where did you get this information? Why would they convert from the tan follower after just adopting it? trouble feeding m855a1, iirc |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:31:01 AM EDT
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Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hi, To answer the original posters' question the the new generation M-16 magazines will be made by Center Industries as a NISH corporation using a US Government Technical Data Package. Ability One Program NISH I really don't see this changing much in to future, as a NIB-NISH is a preferred source under law. Like Skilcraft pens the U.S. Goverment is supposed to buy its magazines Center Industries a Ability One NISH company if possible. The US Army had to get a waiver to buy from Brownell's due to the demand for magazines when both Iraq and Afghanistan wars were going on at the same time. You don't have to have an NSN to sell to Government, but if you want to sell large quantities of magazines and have it issued through the supply system you do have to have an NSN for your product. Units do do local purchasing though Bankcard using their own funds and have been known to purchase magazines, and other related supplies which would qualify as a government purchase. I.E. units were purchasing bore snakes through Bankcard before it became a NSN item. Regards: That's too bad. Brownell's produced the finest USGI mags I have ever seen, they are still my favorite mags. Their quality was a lot better than Center's. Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. I would be curious how many people on this forum actually have this worry??? Can you buy M855A1 in your local gun store? |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:35:48 AM EDT
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Different from the current tan follower? Where did you get this information? Why would they convert from the tan follower after just adopting it? trouble feeding m855a1, iirc It is amazing to some here that someone other than their favorite sponsors here can modify magazines and followers to compliment a new type of ammo. I think the military is quite capable of fixing a 50 cent piece of plastic........ |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:41:14 AM EDT
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It is amazing to some here that someone other than their favorite sponsors here can modify magazines and followers to compliment a new type of ammo. I think the military is quite capable of fixing a 50 cent piece of plastic........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Different from the current tan follower? Where did you get this information? Why would they convert from the tan follower after just adopting it? trouble feeding m855a1, iirc It is amazing to some here that someone other than their favorite sponsors here can modify magazines and followers to compliment a new type of ammo. I think the military is quite capable of fixing a 50 cent piece of plastic........ A 50 cent piece of plastic? Thats like, what, 2 million in government money
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Posted: 7/1/2015 2:35:56 PM EDT
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Hi, To answer the original posters' question the the new generation M-16 magazines will be made by Center Industries as a NISH corporation using a US Government Technical Data Package. Ability One Program NISH I really don't see this changing much in to future, as a NIB-NISH is a preferred source under law. Like Skilcraft pens the U.S. Goverment is supposed to buy its magazines Center Industries a Ability One NISH company if possible. The US Army had to get a waiver to buy from Brownell's due to the demand for magazines when both Iraq and Afghanistan wars were going on at the same time. You don't have to have an NSN to sell to Government, but if you want to sell large quantities of magazines and have it issued through the supply system you do have to have an NSN for your product. Units do do local purchasing though Bankcard using their own funds and have been known to purchase magazines, and other related supplies which would qualify as a government purchase. I.E. units were purchasing bore snakes through Bankcard before it became a NSN item. Regards: That's too bad. Brownell's produced the finest USGI mags I have ever seen, they are still my favorite mags. Their quality was a lot better than Center's. Just a heads up. If you want to not have to worry about wear to the feed ramps from M855A1 Pmags and Tango-Down ARC Mk.2 mags are your best options until the new GI mags come out. Both have altered feed angles and place the bullet tip higher up than other mags. This is basically what the new GI mags are mimicking. I think unless you're shooting full auto, and a very high volume, of M855A1 it's not likely to be an issue. There isn't even a current source for any of us non military to obtain M855A1, so at the moment it's not even likely to touch one of our guns. True, but the new gi mags are being changed to be more like arc mags...just aluminum. Hi, Unless you have the proprietary technical data package for the new USGI magazine or a prototype magazine to compare to a ARC magazine for comparison all that is stated above is a guess, and not fact. Regards: 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 6:39:04 PM EDT
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Hi, Unless you have the proprietary technical data package for the new USGI magazine or a prototype magazine to compare to a ARC magazine for comparison all that is stated above is a guess, and not fact. Regards:
Certainly, you are a wealth of knowledge with a truly extraordinary amount of information pertaining to military specification about magazines, their design, and their manufacture- which we all (or certainly myself) appreciate. Only a true insider could have such great knowledge to share with us. After reading many of your posts I must ask- which magazine manufacturer do you work for (or have previously worked for)? |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:30:22 PM EDT
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Certainly, you are a wealth of knowledge with a truly extraordinary amount of information pertaining to military specification about magazines, their design, and their manufacture- which we all (or certainly myself) appreciate. Only a true insider could have such great knowledge to share with us. After reading many of your posts I must ask- which magazine manufacturer do you work for (or have previously worked for)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Certainly, you are a wealth of knowledge with a truly extraordinary amount of information pertaining to military specification about magazines, their design, and their manufacture- which we all (or certainly myself) appreciate. Only a true insider could have such great knowledge to share with us. After reading many of your posts I must ask- which magazine manufacturer do you work for (or have previously worked for)? Hmm, Pray tell how many of my posts have you really read, seriously? Most of the information I stated on this thread is public domain, part is professional from my day job purchasing military parts and equipment. Regards: |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 12:32:10 AM EDT
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True, but the new gi mags are being changed to be more like arc mags...just aluminum. Hi, Unless you have the proprietary technical data package for the new USGI magazine or a prototype magazine to compare to a ARC magazine for comparison all that is stated above is a guess, and not fact. Regards:
You're right, I should have said the Army is trying to mimic the Pmag. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:04:15 AM EDT
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I am curious if the "increased feed ramp wear" issue ( from the M855A1 ) has Anything to do with changing the feed ramp angle.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 1:14:15 AM EDT
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What about D&H? Are they USGI?
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Posted: 7/3/2015 3:05:11 AM EDT
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What about D&H? Are they USGI? No! |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:07:01 PM EDT
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My newest issue of mags came from Brownells according to the floor plate. They have brown followers.
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Posted: 7/8/2015 10:21:27 PM EDT
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Fellow enthusiasts, as a new member of this forum and to the AR world, thank you for all of your insights into the topic of magazines. It has been very good, if not overwhelming. Hope you won't mind if I ask for an opinion. As a new member to the community and a new owner of a Bushmaster lower/S&W upper M4, what magazine have you had good, reliable success using everyday M193/M855 ammo? Would it be a simple aluminum USGI with green follower or something more exotic. Looking forward to your support on this topic as well. Thank you.
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Posted: 7/8/2015 10:30:48 PM EDT
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Fellow enthusiasts, as a new member of this forum and to the AR world, thank you for all of your insights into the topic of magazines. It has been very good, if not overwhelming. Hope you won't mind if I ask for an opinion. As a new member to the community and a new owner of a Bushmaster lower/S&W upper M4, what magazine have you had good, reliable success using everyday M193/M855 ammo? Would it be a simple aluminum USGI with green follower or something more exotic. Looking forward to your support on this topic as well. Thank you. Magpul, lancer l5awm, usgi (any follower), hk polymer, troy, tango down, and ETS Just stay away from promag and thermold, and you'll be fine |
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Posted: 7/8/2015 10:47:31 PM EDT
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Fellow enthusiasts, as a new member of this forum and to the AR world, thank you for all of your insights into the topic of magazines. It has been very good, if not overwhelming. Hope you won't mind if I ask for an opinion. As a new member to the community and a new owner of a Bushmaster lower/S&W upper M4, what magazine have you had good, reliable success using everyday M193/M855 ammo? Would it be a simple aluminum USGI with green follower or something more exotic. Looking forward to your support on this topic as well. Thank you. I use Gen M2 Magpul 30s, NHMTG/Colt/Okay 30s and 20s. Magpul or tan followers in the 30s. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 9:46:27 AM EDT
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thanks very much for the suggestions. heading to a local show this weekend, so will take this list with me. appreciate it.
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Posted: 7/10/2015 11:24:24 AM EDT
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It has been publicly acknowledged by those using M855A1 that the only magazine that can reliably run the ammunition without accelerated wear to the rifle is the PMag M3. M2s have a similar geometry in this regards but military evaluation is with the M3s only.
The issue was so pronounced it caused yet another redesign of the USGI to mimic the feed angle and presentation of the M3. The USGI will still suffer from a curved then straight section from the original design even with these changes. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 4:34:48 PM EDT
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It has been publicly acknowledged by those using M855A1 that the only magazine that can reliably run the ammunition without accelerated wear to the rifle is the PMag M3. M2s have a similar geometry in this regards but military evaluation is with the M3s only. The issue was so pronounced it caused yet another redesign of the USGI to mimic the feed angle and presentation of the M3. The USGI will still suffer from a curved then straight section from the original design even with these changes. What about M855A1 causes accelerated wear to the rifle when using non M3's? Not attempting a debate (God knows there's enough of that in the mag forum already ) Just wondering what causes it.
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Posted: 7/10/2015 5:43:49 PM EDT
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It has been publicly acknowledged by those using M855A1 that the only magazine that can reliably run the ammunition without accelerated wear to the rifle is the PMag M3. M2s have a similar geometry in this regards but military evaluation is with the M3s only. The issue was so pronounced it caused yet another redesign of the USGI to mimic the feed angle and presentation of the M3. The USGI will still suffer from a curved then straight section from the original design even with these changes. So would the Gen M2s feed the M855A1 just the same? |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 6:16:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about M855A1 causes accelerated wear to the rifle when using non M3's? Not attempting a debate (God knows there's enough of that in the mag forum already ) Just wondering what causes it.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It has been publicly acknowledged by those using M855A1 that the only magazine that can reliably run the ammunition without accelerated wear to the rifle is the PMag M3. M2s have a similar geometry in this regards but military evaluation is with the M3s only. The issue was so pronounced it caused yet another redesign of the USGI to mimic the feed angle and presentation of the M3. The USGI will still suffer from a curved then straight section from the original design even with these changes. What about M855A1 causes accelerated wear to the rifle when using non M3's? Not attempting a debate (God knows there's enough of that in the mag forum already ) Just wondering what causes it. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 11:34:08 PM EDT
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The hardened tip of the M855A1 tears up the aluminum M4 feed ramp. Pmags feed at a different angle preventing the M855A1 from impacting the aluminum upper and guides the rounds so they only contact the steel feed ramp of the barrel extension. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It has been publicly acknowledged by those using M855A1 that the only magazine that can reliably run the ammunition without accelerated wear to the rifle is the PMag M3. M2s have a similar geometry in this regards but military evaluation is with the M3s only. The issue was so pronounced it caused yet another redesign of the USGI to mimic the feed angle and presentation of the M3. The USGI will still suffer from a curved then straight section from the original design even with these changes. What about M855A1 causes accelerated wear to the rifle when using non M3's? Not attempting a debate (God knows there's enough of that in the mag forum already ) Just wondering what causes it.Ahhhhh that makes sense. Thanks brotha 
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Posted: 7/12/2015 10:37:26 AM EDT
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It has been publicly acknowledged by those using M855A1 that the only magazine that can reliably run the ammunition without accelerated wear to the rifle is the PMag M3. M2s have a similar geometry in this regards but military evaluation is with the M3s only. The issue was so pronounced it caused yet another redesign of the USGI to mimic the feed angle and presentation of the M3. The USGI will still suffer from a curved then straight section from the original design even with these changes. If only we could get the Army to adopt the M3. By far the best magazine I have ever used guys. |
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Posted: 7/12/2015 2:26:39 PM EDT
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UPDATE: picked up 5 PMAG, Gen2 today for $10 each. Also 10 Brownell's with tan followers for $7 each. This ought to allow me to enjoy some of this fun, too. Thank you again.
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Posted: 7/12/2015 2:32:10 PM EDT
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People with BCM lowers would disagree.
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Posted: 7/12/2015 4:58:02 PM EDT
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People with BCM lowers would disagree. Unless you're not scared to file it and make 'em fit. |
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