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Posted: 3/16/2015 10:45:13 PM EDT
Looking for metal, USGI-style mags. Ideally in Stainless. Local store has PMAGs and C-Products SS series. Are the C-Prods reliable? If not, are there any other reliable all metal options? I just can't get on board with the all-polymer trend.
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Older surplus mags are very GTG.
For aluminum magazines I would look for Colt, Sanchez, OKay, Adventureline, Center Industries, LaBelle, and a few others I can't remember right off the top of my head. I would stay away from Cooper mags. They are the only manufacturer that didn't pass the .mil stress test if I remember correctly. BTW: You can always replace the followers and the springs after you purchase the mags, as those surplus mags are still pretty cheap. Hope this helps. |
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Just replace the followers and springs and you should be GTG.
I prefer to use the Magpul followers. |
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I have a bunch of NHMTG w/ magpul followers that are flawless.
I do have to ask why you "can't get onboard" with ploymer mags? |
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Brownell's has a special; 10 mags for $100. G.I.-style with Magpul 'foliage green' followers. That's hard to beat.
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I bought some stainless c products straight 20's a long time ago they have proven great.
That said it seemed like back then it was hit and miss for people with the 30's i'd assume they corected this by now. I'd add NHMTG along with D&H to the ones listed above for known good 30rd mags. |
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Regarding why I have reservations about P-MAGS:
1 - Polymer feed lips. Seems like these would spread over time, at a higher rate than steel, and eventually cause feed issues. Seems like stainless would be a better option, tougher feed lips. 2 - Toughness. I read a review online recently where several police officers stress-tested C-prods SS mags. They were run over by cruisers several times, dropped base and feed lip first onto concrete several times each. All mags survived tests and were 100% functional after. Hve trouble believing polymer could withstand that |
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I use Brownells and D&H and never had any problems. I do replace the followers with Magpuls if they don't already have them installed. I'm confident enough in both of these brands I don't pay any attention to the others....well when it comes to USGI mags. PMags are still my favorites.
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Brownells is a military contractor . The mags they sell are nice .
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Regarding why I have reservations about P-MAGS: 1 - Polymer feed lips. Seems like these would spread over time, at a higher rate than steel, and eventually cause feed issues. Seems like stainless would be a better option, tougher feed lips. 2 - Toughness. I read a review online recently where several police officers stress-tested C-prods SS mags. They were run over by cruisers several times, dropped base and feed lip first onto concrete several times each. All mags survived tests and were 100% functional after. Hve trouble believing polymer could withstand that View Quote Do your own testing. You are only making assumptions and basing idea's off things you have heard, Not that you've experienced. |
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Do your own testing. You are only making assumptions and basing idea's off things you have heard, Not that you've experienced. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Regarding why I have reservations about P-MAGS: 1 - Polymer feed lips. Seems like these would spread over time, at a higher rate than steel, and eventually cause feed issues. Seems like stainless would be a better option, tougher feed lips. 2 - Toughness. I read a review online recently where several police officers stress-tested C-prods SS mags. They were run over by cruisers several times, dropped base and feed lip first onto concrete several times each. All mags survived tests and were 100% functional after. Hve trouble believing polymer could withstand that Do your own testing. You are only making assumptions and basing idea's off things you have heard, Not that you've experienced. The ONLY magazines I trust are manufactured by Okay Industries! |
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Most of the new-in-wrap Okay's have dried up at the gun shows. Now there are a lot of
Center Industries (Elkay Plastics) instead. Are the Center Industry mags worth buying? |
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Regarding why I have reservations about P-MAGS: 1 - Polymer feed lips. Seems like these would spread over time, at a higher rate than steel, and eventually cause feed issues. Seems like stainless would be a better option, tougher feed lips. 2 - Toughness. I read a review online recently where several police officers stress-tested C-prods SS mags. They were run over by cruisers several times, dropped base and feed lip first onto concrete several times each. All mags survived tests and were 100% functional after. Hve trouble believing polymer could withstand that View Quote You know lots of people have tried very hard to prove polymer mags are inferior |
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i have 5 D&H that are good to go. heard good stuff about c products too
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IME, the best USGI mags are NHMTG, OKAY, and Brownells, not in any specific order. If you want USGI "style", Id suggest D and H mags with the magpul follower. I've got over 30 now and never have problems in 4 different rifles. For what a D and H costs I'm ok with treating them as disposable.
PMAGs are great as are the Lancer L5A's, don't limit yourself to just USGi. |
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I guess I'm just worried about the PMAGS splitting down the spine and or having gradual feed lip spread.
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IME, the best USGI mags are NHMTG, OKAY, and Brownells, not in any specific order. If you want USGI "style", Id suggest D and H mags with the magpul follower. I've got over 30 now and never have problems in 4 different rifles. For what a D and H costs I'm ok with treating them as disposable. PMAGs are great as are the Lancer L5A's, don't limit yourself to just USGi. View Quote NHMTG is not a U.S.G.I. supplier, NHMTG is manufactured by Okay Industries who is a supplier. The quality is the same. |
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I use d&h without any problem... at the price point you can't beat them
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I guess I'm just worried about the PMAGS splitting down the spine and or having gradual feed lip spread. View Quote I wouldnt. That problem is grossly over stated in my opinion. Dudes in my squad had nothing but pmag, went through thousands of rounds and never had a problem. Usgi with the tan followers or retrofitted with magpul followers are equally up to task though. |
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My most reliable USGI style 30 rd mags for over 30 years in my own personal experience are made by Okay Industries (makes most Colt mags).
However my current favorite same type mags are D&H teflon finished mags for about 10 years now, I prefer their more durable but slippery finish and all my USGI style mags have Magpul Gen 3 anti-tilt followers in them. The majority of my spare mags are D&H more or less about 60 mags (about half gray color half black). On my most used on my carbine gas system AR, I use D&H mags with the noted Magpul followers, also extra power Wolff springs and mostly Magpul Ranger plates so they could be easily pulled out of my mag chest rig. With polymer mags my go to mags are Magpul PMAG for about 8 years now without any problems, they're actually stronger than metal mags when run over by a heavy truck, see an old 8 year video link below about the original Gen 1 PMAG if you have any doubts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFXcOOb4jc Here's another vid of the newest latest Gen 3 PMAG compared with USGI type mag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5kphqX_80 Edited To Add: Here is the Magazine FAQ tacked thread link on top of this magazine forum, it states the reliable USGI mags and what to avoid. http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=331 |
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PSA has D&H 30s on sale for Easter. For $6.99 with the Magpul follower they are a pretty good buy, IMHO. I've got a few dozen and have yet to have an issue. I do like my old Okay Industries magazines though...+ |
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Quoted: My most reliable USGI style 30 rd mags for over 30 years in my own personal experience are made by Okay Industries (makes most Colt mags). Edited To Add: Here is the Magazine FAQ tacked thread link on top of this magazine forum, it states the reliable USGI mags and what to avoid. http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=331 View Quote That page above is pretty dated, it was made before Magpul started manufacturing magazines |
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Regarding why I have reservations about P-MAGS: 1 - Polymer feed lips. Seems like these would spread over time, at a higher rate than steel, and eventually cause feed issues. Seems like stainless would be a better option, tougher feed lips. 2 - Toughness. I read a review online recently where several police officers stress-tested C-prods SS mags. They were run over by cruisers several times, dropped base and feed lip first onto concrete several times each. All mags survived tests and were 100% functional after. Hve trouble believing polymer could withstand that View Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQxYXTYohPI Can you break them? Sure you can, if you try. But, they are pretty tough. |
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Looking for metal, USGI-style mags. Ideally in Stainless. Local store has PMAGs and C-Products SS series. Are the C-Prods reliable? If not, are there any other reliable all metal options? I just can't get on board with the all-polymer trend. View Quote Hi, I've had the metal vs. polymer conversation myself with my son, it's a friendly debate. My son bought a bunch of windowed Magpul Gen 2 magazines and fought two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq with them in garrison and combat. No jams no drama with his M-4 carbine, and they still soldier on today. The CPD Inc. SS 5.56/223 magazine is my choice, I've tested them and they are extremely stong and resilient. The old C Products LLc magazine had spotty quality and I've been told that the Marlube coating could cause problems. You still see new old stock of the C Products LLc magazine out there. The new CPD Inc.SS magazines are much better constructed, stronger, using a hole and post contraction at the top and bottom for consistent repeatable construction and welding. I've done crush test stamping of the feed lips or a loaded magazine of the PMAG Gen 3 and CPD Inc. SS 5.56/223 magazine . The PMAG gen 3 magazine would crack it's spline while the Isonite QPQ CPD Inc. SS 5.56/223 magazine didn't break and worked OK. To be fair the cracked PMAGS worked fine too although they allowed some of the rounds inside the magazine to become dented and it caused some trouble with feeding into tight chambers, but did fine with with RRA, and DS Arms carbine chambers. The aluminum magazines work fine too with updated followers, it's actually one thing both I and my son agree on our back-up range mags are aluminum with updated magpul or tan followers, green followers are OK too, but the old black ones are a problem. I would suggest that you put at least 500 round through any style of magazine as there is a big difference on how the underside of "GI" and aftermarket BCG's are cut. I hope the information helps Good Luck |
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I trust only TRUE .mil approved magazines.
I prefer of the approved .mil magazines the units manufactured by Okay Industries, they are sold under the following labels... Okay Industries Colt NHMTG I add the Magpul Ranger L floorplate & the Magpul Gen III follower. I will not trust my life (or someone else's) to a magazine that can't pass the .mil approval testing. |
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I trust only TRUE .mil approved magazines. I prefer of the approved .mil magazines the units manufactured by Okay Industries, they are sold under the following labels... Okay Industries Colt NHMTG I add the Magpul Ranger L floorplate & the Magpul Gen III follower. I will not trust my life (or someone else's) to a magazine that can't pass the .mil approval testing. View Quote I'm the same way. I've been an NHMTG/Okay guy for a long time, but I have a batch of ten Centers with tan followers that are damn nice mags. They are equal to the Okays I have. Some earlier Centers I had were trashy lookin', but worked well.. |
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I'm the same way. I've been an NHMTG/Okay guy for a long time, but I have a batch of ten Centers with tan followers that are damn nice mags. They are equal to the Okays I have. Some earlier Centers I had were trashy lookin', but worked well.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I trust only TRUE .mil approved magazines. I prefer of the approved .mil magazines the units manufactured by Okay Industries, they are sold under the following labels... Okay Industries Colt NHMTG I add the Magpul Ranger L floorplate & the Magpul Gen III follower. I will not trust my life (or someone else's) to a magazine that can't pass the .mil approval testing. I'm the same way. I've been an NHMTG/Okay guy for a long time, but I have a batch of ten Centers with tan followers that are damn nice mags. They are equal to the Okays I have. Some earlier Centers I had were trashy lookin', but worked well.. Hi, Please be aware that the the drawings (NSN) for the M-16 magazine that manufacturers have to qualify to is dimensionally and material (aluminum) driven. No steel (ASC, E-Lander, CPD Inc.) or polymer (P-Mag, Lancer) can meet that specification by nature of what they are made from. The advantage of aluminum magazines is that they are reliable if handled in a reasonable manner, they are inexpensive, and disposable (i.e. they can be easily crunched by a foot if needed making them unusable to the enemy.) People that I know who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq crunched more than a few Aluminum magazines. Crunching a P-Mag will probably crack the spline as the human foot can easily generate much higher pressures than a 2.5 ton truck, but the magazine will probably work for awhile which is unacceptable when your enemy is using captured M-16A2 rifles and M-4 carbines. Mil-Spec is consistant, good, predictable, but it isn't necessaryily the best for civilian use as our priorities are different. Regards: |
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When it comes to aluminum magazines I have some Labelle and D&H magazines. FWIW I have had no issues with either of them and most of them have the green followers. I will say I also have a few Gen 2 Pmags and have had zero issues with them. When I buy new aluminum mags I buy D&H, Teflon coated and if they have the Magpul follower that is a plus but not a requirement for me because the old school green followers have worked for me. I hope this helps.
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Hi, Please be aware that the the drawings (NSN) for the M-16 magazine that manufacturers have to qualify to is dimensionally and material (aluminum) driven. No steel (ASC, E-Lander, CPD Inc.) or polymer (P-Mag, Lancer) can meet that specification by nature of what they are made from. The advantage of aluminum magazines is that they are reliable if handled in a reasonable manner, they are inexpensive, and disposable (i.e. they can be easily crunched by a foot if needed making them unusable to the enemy.) People that I know who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq crunched more than a few Aluminum magazines. Crunching a P-Mag will probably crack the spline as the human foot can easily generate much higher pressures than a 2.5 ton truck, but the magazine will probably work for awhile which is unacceptable when your enemy is using captured M-16A2 rifles and M-4 carbines. Mil-Spec is consistant, good, predictable, but it isn't necessaryily the best for civilian use as our priorities are different. Regards: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I trust only TRUE .mil approved magazines. I prefer of the approved .mil magazines the units manufactured by Okay Industries, they are sold under the following labels... Okay Industries Colt NHMTG I add the Magpul Ranger L floorplate & the Magpul Gen III follower. I will not trust my life (or someone else's) to a magazine that can't pass the .mil approval testing. I'm the same way. I've been an NHMTG/Okay guy for a long time, but I have a batch of ten Centers with tan followers that are damn nice mags. They are equal to the Okays I have. Some earlier Centers I had were trashy lookin', but worked well.. Hi, Please be aware that the the drawings (NSN) for the M-16 magazine that manufacturers have to qualify to is dimensionally and material (aluminum) driven. No steel (ASC, E-Lander, CPD Inc.) or polymer (P-Mag, Lancer) can meet that specification by nature of what they are made from. The advantage of aluminum magazines is that they are reliable if handled in a reasonable manner, they are inexpensive, and disposable (i.e. they can be easily crunched by a foot if needed making them unusable to the enemy.) People that I know who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq crunched more than a few Aluminum magazines. Crunching a P-Mag will probably crack the spline as the human foot can easily generate much higher pressures than a 2.5 ton truck, but the magazine will probably work for awhile which is unacceptable when your enemy is using captured M-16A2 rifles and M-4 carbines. Mil-Spec is consistant, good, predictable, but it isn't necessaryily the best for civilian use as our priorities are different. Regards: Sort of true... The enemy doesn't get many "captured" M16's and M4s. I've seen many weapons our side has captured mostly AKs, never fired and dropped only once. The only real difference between military and civilian use is in the military if you break a magazine you just get a new one for free. The supposed fragility of the USGI magazine is internet hype mostly promoted on this very forum.....USGI mags work perfectly fine in the most intense combat zones, so they are perfectly fine for anything in the continental USA. |
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Sort of true... The enemy doesn't get many "captured" M16's and M4s. I've seen many weapons our side has captured mostly AKs, never fired and dropped only once. The only real difference between military and civilian use is in the military if you break a magazine you just get a new one for free. The supposed fragility of the USGI magazine is internet hype mostly promoted on this very forum.....USGI mags work perfectly fine in the most intense combat zones, so they are perfectly fine for anything in the continental USA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I trust only TRUE .mil approved magazines. I prefer of the approved .mil magazines the units manufactured by Okay Industries, they are sold under the following labels... Okay Industries Colt NHMTG I add the Magpul Ranger L floorplate & the Magpul Gen III follower. I will not trust my life (or someone else's) to a magazine that can't pass the .mil approval testing. I'm the same way. I've been an NHMTG/Okay guy for a long time, but I have a batch of ten Centers with tan followers that are damn nice mags. They are equal to the Okays I have. Some earlier Centers I had were trashy lookin', but worked well.. Hi, Please be aware that the the drawings (NSN) for the M-16 magazine that manufacturers have to qualify to is dimensionally and material (aluminum) driven. No steel (ASC, E-Lander, CPD Inc.) or polymer (P-Mag, Lancer) can meet that specification by nature of what they are made from. The advantage of aluminum magazines is that they are reliable if handled in a reasonable manner, they are inexpensive, and disposable (i.e. they can be easily crunched by a foot if needed making them unusable to the enemy.) People that I know who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq crunched more than a few Aluminum magazines. Crunching a P-Mag will probably crack the spline as the human foot can easily generate much higher pressures than a 2.5 ton truck, but the magazine will probably work for awhile which is unacceptable when your enemy is using captured M-16A2 rifles and M-4 carbines. Mil-Spec is consistant, good, predictable, but it isn't necessaryily the best for civilian use as our priorities are different. Regards: Sort of true... The enemy doesn't get many "captured" M16's and M4s. I've seen many weapons our side has captured mostly AKs, never fired and dropped only once. The only real difference between military and civilian use is in the military if you break a magazine you just get a new one for free. The supposed fragility of the USGI magazine is internet hype mostly promoted on this very forum.....USGI mags work perfectly fine in the most intense combat zones, so they are perfectly fine for anything in the continental USA. +1 |
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NIW/B Tan or green follower USGIs (CAGE-coded and NSN on bag/box Okay, Center, Brownell's) can regularly be found in the EE for $7ish shipped - not sure why anyone would seek anything else at that price.
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I trust only TRUE .mil approved magazines. I prefer of the approved .mil magazines the units manufactured by Okay Industries, they are sold under the following labels... Okay Industries Colt NHMTG I add the Magpul Ranger L floorplate & the Magpul Gen III follower. I will not trust my life (or someone else's) to a magazine that can't pass the .mil approval testing. View Quote I use NHMTG mags. Never have had any issues. |
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I use NHMTG mags. Never have had any issues. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I trust only TRUE .mil approved magazines. I prefer of the approved .mil magazines the units manufactured by Okay Industries, they are sold under the following labels... Okay Industries Colt NHMTG I add the Magpul Ranger L floorplate & the Magpul Gen III follower. I will not trust my life (or someone else's) to a magazine that can't pass the .mil approval testing. I use NHMTG mags. Never have had any issues. And in all probability, never will. |
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I use NHMTG mags. Never have had any issues. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I trust only TRUE .mil approved magazines. I prefer of the approved .mil magazines the units manufactured by Okay Industries, they are sold under the following labels... Okay Industries Colt NHMTG I add the Magpul Ranger L floorplate & the Magpul Gen III follower. I will not trust my life (or someone else's) to a magazine that can't pass the .mil approval testing. I use NHMTG mags. Never have had any issues. I personally prefer mil-spec AR magazines (Okay, Simmonds, NHMTG are my brand favorites), or at least mil-style (ie, D&H); I'm an old fart and have been happily using aluminum 30's for a long time. But I don't see it as 'gospel', anymore than I'm automatically wed to only .mil-approved AR manufacturers; or for that matter, true .mil ammunition or .mil handguns either. |
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Brownells are issued items, I was issued some for my last deployment they worked as advertised.
C Products stainless work good as well I brought one with me. |
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I think I'm gonna go ahead and order some Brownell's - they have deal right now where it's 10 for $127 with MP followers and MP Ranger Plates.
Not very impressed with my C Products Defense SS mags - they feel flimsy. I can squeeze them -- unloaded of course -- in the palm of my hand and feel them flex. The single NHMTG mag I own ( a "Colt" 30 rounder) doesn't do this and feels rock-solid. Probably not a huge deal, but if it feels flimsy by me squeezing it in my palm, not very confidence-inspiring. |
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Someone mentioned $5.99 for d&h earlier. If anyone has a lead for $7 each or less shipped for any of the quality mags I would say post here and share but if that violates the rules then a private message would be appreciated. Thanks OP!
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Someone mentioned $5.99 for d&h earlier. If anyone has a lead for $7 each or less shipped for any of the quality mags I would say post here and share but if that violates the rules then a private message would be appreciated. Thanks OP! View Quote There is a red highlighted sticky at the very top of the main page that has mag deals posted!... |
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D&H and NHMTG are GTG, I also like Gen 2 Pmags. Got some Center Industries mags coming.
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Thanks for the feedback on D&H. I got 25 during the Easter sale and they seem good to go.
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