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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:16:54 AM EST
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100 round AR15 drum ?

Are they any good, do they work ?

Which ones are recommended ?

Can you store them loaded for long periods of time ?

PS : CDNN has the Korean 100 rd drum for $119.95 are these any good ?
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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:20:14 AM EST
The only one I know of is the Beta-C mag, as far as the other questions, I have no answers.

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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:30:32 AM EST
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The Korean drum is a good copy of the BETA C for a fraction of the price.I know earlier generation C Mags had some issues that were cleared up in later models,those problems were like 7 years ago.I have a Korean model and so far in the last 3k rounds its functioned fine.Instead of the supplied graphite I use aspray on dry lube for the internals.I leave it loaded and so far no problems.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:41:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By pun:
The Korean drum is a good copy of the BETA C for a fraction of the price.I know earlier generation C Mags had some issues that were cleared up in later models,those problems were like 7 years ago.I have a Korean model and so far in the last 3k rounds its functioned fine.Instead of the supplied graphite I use aspray on dry lube for the internals.I leave it loaded and so far no problems.


Sounds good.
What is aspray on dry lube ?
Where can I get it ?
Thanks for you reply.

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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:49:22 AM EST
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Microlon dry film lube I get it at my local shop and only use it for the beta mag,otherwise I use slip2000 EWL and slip gun grease on my weapons.It sprays on and leaves the surface dry even though its lubed..no wet feel.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:57:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By pun:
Microlon dry film lube I get it at my local shop and only use it for the beta mag,otherwise I use slip2000 EWL and slip gun grease on my weapons.It sprays on and leaves the surface dry even though its lubed..no wet feel.


Thanks for your reply.

I will order one of the Korean 100 rd mags for $119.95 soon.

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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:59:04 AM EST
I haven't brought myself to try one of the knock off mags. I own beta mags, so can't see dropping $100+ on a "maybe". The beta's work great, and you can find them used for around $200.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:01:46 AM EST
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I haven't brought myself to try one of the knock off mags. I own beta mags, so can't see dropping $100+ on a "maybe". The beta's work great, and you can find them used for around $200.


How much are the new Beta mags going for ?

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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:13:16 AM EST
$250 IIRC
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Posted: 8/1/2011 9:31:03 AM EST
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The Beta mag is somewhat fragile, and I would guess the same can be said of the Korean version. For a little more $$$, take a look at the new Surefire quad-stack mags (LINK). You may have to wait a while for the 100-round version, but it is likely to be a lot more robust. The only downside would be the extra height it adds versus the drum.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 9:39:14 AM EST
To Stealthy those surefire mags especially the 60 rounders look good you could carry 10+1 and although weight wise its about the same as carrying 20 30 rders it makes carrying more ammo easier because they save space on gear..just the price tag thats a bit high its like what $125 for the 60 rder?
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Posted: 8/1/2011 11:09:40 AM EST
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The Beta mag may or may not be fragile but i know if you drop a loaded GI mag and i assume the new 60 rd surefire is Alu the chances are it will not go back into the magwell easily if it will at all. I do have a beta mag. It is a preban and i have had it for many years i have dropped it several times and although it now has a chip in the plastic it still functions 100%.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 11:43:02 AM EST
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Actually there were drop tests done independently and pics posted on this site a few years back..drop tests of loaded lancer,Pmags,H&K steel,aluminum GI dropped from 15 feet feed lip first through a pvc tube on concrete only the GI aluminums and lancers survived feed lip damage.Ive taken alot of classes and have left mags where they fell when ejeted and reloaded and while anything can break ive never had problems getting mags back in although ive dented some good enough on the bodies where at some point feeding is compromised.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 5:45:11 AM EST
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!
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Posted: 8/6/2011 8:00:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By damcv62:
I haven't brought myself to try one of the knock off mags. I own beta mags, so can't see dropping $100+ on a "maybe". The beta's work great, and you can find them used for around $200.



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Posted: 8/6/2011 8:49:51 PM EST
Then there is the 120 rd Chinese drum.



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Posted: 8/9/2011 5:02:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!


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Posted: 8/17/2011 12:57:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!


but you can get two or even three of the korean C mag for the cost of one saw mag?

define "it has worked alot better"
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Posted: 8/18/2011 6:49:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!


but you can get two or even three of the korean C mag for the cost of one saw mag?

define "it has worked alot better"


With the KCI beta mag, the last 15 shot or first 15 loaded into the drum would jam on me. With the ARMATAC It shoots all 150 rounds no problem.

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Posted: 8/19/2011 11:50:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!


How much green for that?
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Posted: 8/20/2011 11:50:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!


How much green for that?

$600ish last I checked.



Screw that! Could build a PSA AR for that. Or buy 70 D&H mags.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 3:28:19 PM EST
The Armatac's are $380. Check out their vids. Drop a loaded Beta mag on concrete and see what happens.

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Posted: 8/21/2011 8:08:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!


How much green for that?

$600ish last I checked.



Got mine back in March or April of this year, it was $414.55 shipped, and came with 160 rounds of PMC .223 rounds, from US Tactical Supply. Oh that price also included the loader. I think it was free ammo if you bought the Saw Mag and Loader. They no longer offer the free ammo deal.
http://ustacticalsupply.com/saw-mag.aspx
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Posted: 8/31/2011 11:35:31 PM EST
after looking at it from a reliability and resistance to abuse, I think the saw-mag is probably the ticket. if they made one a little smaller like a 100 round version they would have a sure thing maybe have the price around the beta mag as well. but I suppose the 150 round capacity sets them apart alone.

if I have problems with the KCI mag I just ordered I'll look at the armatac 150 round saw-mag
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Posted: 9/1/2011 2:45:58 AM EST
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Just sayin' if you look in the Industry forum for Centerfire Systems they have a link to get the KCI 100 rounder for $99 if you were lookin for one

I had 2 in the past and both were GTG I just had let some friends talk me out of them and hadn't replaced them till now.
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Posted: 9/1/2011 9:16:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By HEATH223:
Just sayin' if you look in the Industry forum for Centerfire Systems they have a link to get the KCI 100 rounder for $99 if you were lookin for one

I had 2 in the past and both were GTG I just had let some friends talk me out of them and hadn't replaced them till now.


that sucks butt... soon as I order one for $135+ ship I learn of the ones for $99.99 LOL. welp, if I can sell the one I just got and a few of the other pieces I'm GTG and can order 2 of those guys LOL thanks for the heads up
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Posted: 9/2/2011 12:55:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By hawaiianbasshead:
Originally Posted By HEATH223:
Just sayin' if you look in the Industry forum for Centerfire Systems they have a link to get the KCI 100 rounder for $99 if you were lookin for one

I had 2 in the past and both were GTG I just had let some friends talk me out of them and hadn't replaced them till now.


that sucks butt... soon as I order one for $135+ ship I learn of the ones for $99.99 LOL. welp, if I can sell the one I just got and a few of the other pieces I'm GTG and can order 2 of those guys LOL thanks for the heads up


There were a limited # being sold at that price so don't wait too long.
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Posted: 9/2/2011 1:47:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!


How much green for that?

$600ish last I checked.



Got mine back in March or April of this year, it was $414.55 shipped, and came with 160 rounds of PMC .223 rounds, from US Tactical Supply. Oh that price also included the loader. I think it was free ammo if you bought the Saw Mag and Loader. They no longer offer the free ammo deal.
http://ustacticalsupply.com/saw-mag.aspx


I am really thinking about one of these. I can't see the money for a beta when they are so fragile. I have a bunch of drums for my AK's but this would be a first and probably only for my AR's. Sherm, is there anything you don't like about it?
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:57:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Southrnshooter:
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
If you want the drum style, go with the ARMATAC 150 round Drum!!! I have one and it has worked a lot better than the KCI beta mag.

Here is the link to a video of me shooting all 150 rounds on full auto. 12-13 seconds of fun
ARMATAC 150 round full auto dump!!!


How much green for that?

$600ish last I checked.



Got mine back in March or April of this year, it was $414.55 shipped, and came with 160 rounds of PMC .223 rounds, from US Tactical Supply. Oh that price also included the loader. I think it was free ammo if you bought the Saw Mag and Loader. They no longer offer the free ammo deal.
http://ustacticalsupply.com/saw-mag.aspx


I am really thinking about one of these. I can't see the money for a beta when they are so fragile. I have a bunch of drums for my AK's but this would be a first and probably only for my AR's. Sherm, is there anything you don't like about it?


The only con I have with the drum is the size, it's very large, but it will be for 150 rounds.

There are a lot of pros, just a couple are it's made in the USA and ARMATAC's (Mike Snow) customer service is excellent!!!! He sent me a modified Loader with it. I was having issued with the KCI drum, he was helping me trouble shoot it, because of that I bought the 150 round drum. I would recommend getting a H2 and H3(I need to pick up one of these) buffers.
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Posted: 9/3/2011 10:41:23 AM EST
That SAW-MAG freaking huge but it looks like it can take a beating keep on working. I like the special carry bag they sell as well. Loading 150 rounds in that mag has got to suck...
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Posted: 9/4/2011 11:48:09 AM EST
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That SAW-MAG freaking huge but it looks like it can take a beating keep on working. I like the special carry bag they sell as well. Loading 150 rounds in that mag has got to suck...


But unloading it quickly is major
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Posted: 9/4/2011 1:32:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
Originally Posted By Yojimbo:
That SAW-MAG freaking huge but it looks like it can take a beating keep on working. I like the special carry bag they sell as well. Loading 150 rounds in that mag has got to suck...


But unloading it quickly is major


Can you load it with a Lula? I know it would take longer.
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