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Posted: 5/4/2010 10:21:28 PM
[Last Edit: 5/7/2010 12:06:46 AM by DseriusPayne]
I was curious of the quality of these Korean mags so I decided I'd give one a try. Both the Beta C and Korean mag are brand new for this comparison

First off the carry pouch is very similar
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010038.jpg
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010040.jpg

Beta C on the left
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010045.jpg
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010046.jpg

Beta C mag
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010050.jpg

Korean mag
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010051.jpg

Beta C on the left
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010055.jpg

Beta C on top
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010059.jpg

Korean mag
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010060.jpg
Beta C
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010061.jpg

Beta C on top
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010062.jpg

Beta C on left, should be noted that the graphite on the Korean makes it look like plastic on the end of the arms. It is metal
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010063.jpg
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010064.jpg

Beta C tower on left
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010067.jpg
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010074.jpg

The spring tension in both mags feel the same as does the material of the outer and inner body pieces. I feel in my opinion that anything that would damage the Korean mag would also damage the Beta C.

Overall I am happy with the mag and while I have not taken this mag to the range yet I see no reason why it wouldn't function as it should.


Edit- as requested pics of the manual and accessories.

The Korean mag pouch and personal loader(loose rounds 5 at a time) and graphite tubes.
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010076.jpg

The Beta C mag pouch and clip loader(requires stripper clips 10 rounds at a time) and graphite tubes.
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010077.jpg

Beta C pouch on right
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010079.jpg
hidden documentation for Beta C
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010078.jpg

Manuals
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010082.jpg
Beta C
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010083.jpg
Korean
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010086.jpg
Beta C manual is much more detailed in information
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/Dserius/P1010087.jpg
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Posted: 5/4/2010 10:29:57 PM
Pretty damn close !!
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Posted: 5/4/2010 11:06:52 PM
'Tis a reasonable facsimile! I wonder if it malfunctions the same?
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Posted: 5/4/2010 11:10:35 PM
Originally Posted By ThePatriot556:
'Tis a reasonable facsimile! I wonder if it malfunctions the same?


No joke.

If the Korean mag breaks the same and jams the same but is cheaper. I think I'd say to hell with it and go with the Korean mag. Only possibility is that it is some how better In other words my opinion of it is that it has nowhere to go but up.

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Posted: 5/5/2010 1:01:53 AM
from the pics the korean mag looks to have a better finish than the betaC. smoother and considerably less mold lines.
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Posted: 5/5/2010 1:39:09 AM
Originally Posted By Coop4570:
from the pics the korean mag looks to have a better finish than the betaC. smoother and considerably less mold lines.


whats really funny is that when I had a couple of friends(who had no prior beta c experience) choose which one they thought was the more expensive one they chose the Korean mag.
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Posted: 5/5/2010 3:28:46 AM
Do the parts swap?
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Posted: 5/5/2010 6:47:58 AM
Originally Posted By Kodiak-AK:
Do the parts swap?


Exactly.

Feed tower, and back cover?
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Posted: 5/5/2010 9:15:40 AM
Currently can't see the pictures because of work, but I like what you have written up so far.

I would like to see a comparison of the Manuals. I got my KCI drum the other day and haven't tested it out yet, but in the directions/manual I can't find where it says to use graphite lube, however I'm sure the Beta-Co does?
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Posted: 5/5/2010 9:28:49 AM
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
Currently can't see the pictures because of work, but I like what you have written up so far.

I would like to see a comparison of the Manuals. I got my KCI drum the other day and haven't tested it out yet, but in the directions/manual I can't find where it says to use graphite lube, however I'm sure the Beta-Co does?


I'll edit the post to do a comparison of the accessories and manuals, wont get a chance until tomorrow but ill do it.
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Posted: 5/5/2010 9:38:26 AM
Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
Originally Posted By Kodiak-AK:
Do the parts swap?


Exactly.

Feed tower, and back cover?


Yes the back panels interchange with ease The feed tower is a different story, while the towers will interchange the metal clip has its holes drilled in slightly different positions making it a pain to swap. However I think that if the tower ever needed replacement BetaCo's tower kit would work.
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Posted: 5/6/2010 8:29:30 AM
Thank you for your review.
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Posted: 5/7/2010 12:22:21 AM
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Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
Thank you for your review.


You're welcome, I hope it helps others.

Also Shermantor-AR15 you are supposed to add the graphite lube to the dummy rounds and the graphite will be distributed through loading. Manual(beta's) states every 4 to 5 hundred rounds. If your Korean mag is anything like mine they added enough graphite for 4 to 5 thousand rounds. I'm still cleaning up after that first dis assembly

First post edited for added info
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Posted: 5/7/2010 12:41:06 AM
I use several Beta C's for select fire M16/LWRC M6A2 and have followed the advice of others and had zero malfunctions. Lube every time!

I don't buy the Korean mags because they don't help the industry: All they produce are copies (some good (these) some bad (Glock 18's)) while spending zero on R&D. Would they have ever come up with the idea of the Beta C? Not a chance...

You buy their crap you hurt those making such innovations possible.

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Posted: 5/7/2010 1:19:11 AM
Originally Posted By ftldrben:

I don't buy the Korean mags because they don't help the industry: All they produce are copies (some good (these) some bad (Glock 18's)) while spending zero on R&D. Would they have ever come up with the idea of the Beta C? Not a chance...

You buy their crap you hurt those making such innovations possible.

My $.02


While I agree with you on buying american( or even just non knock off) to help the industry I feel in this case of an expired patent that it would be healthy for the consumer. A little competition if you will, one that I would hope brings down the price of the Beta C mags. During the ban period Beta C mags were going for 7-800 dollars each. Because I wanted one I paid those outlandish prices, later realizing the ban would end and the mag was definitely not worth that much to me and soon no one else i sold it. I bought another one soon after the ban ended for 275 but even then I still think that is a little steep for a mag. Besides if the inventor of the beta mag had his way we would all be shooting ak's from the hip.

just my opinions

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Posted: 5/7/2010 2:43:46 AM
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
I don't buy the Korean mags because they don't help the industry: All they produce are copies (some good (these) some bad (Glock 18's)) while spending zero on R&D. Would they have ever come up with the idea of the Beta C? Not a chance...

You buy their crap you hurt those making such innovations possible.

My $.02



Sort of like what was posted above, this is a product with an expired patent. They did their R&D, they made their money. Now they're getting paid for doing no further R&D, and still charging obscene prices for an old product. They've *stopped* making innovations.

If anything, buying the cheap one is good for the industry because it's going to encourage Beta C to improve or come out with something new to differentiate themselves and provide a better product. If we keep telling the company "hey, we'll keep paying top dollar for your old crap" then they have zero reason to move forward and improve their product.

I'm all about supporting people who do their work, but at some point you need to encourage competition too and look out for the consumer's interests.
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Posted: 5/7/2010 8:55:43 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures on the manual that I can't currently see until I get home tonight. hehe.

I think I will follow the advice of lubing everytime.

I agree with the other replies about why the KCI over the Beta-Co, and here is my reply of how I feel about buying the Korean made beta mag over Beta-Co's C-mag. The Koreans do make quality products, especially with something that has been proven else where, the tend to take something and in most cases make them better. They may have done so in this case, we'll find out with time.

Also the major issue is price point, value vs price, I have never thought that the C-Mag's value to me was worth more than a price of $175. So when the KCI became known to me and was able to pick one up for the low price of $138 total, that to me became a resonable value for the mag and I got it. However I did ask the question in another post, why hasn't Magpul, C-Products, or BDM etc... picked up and started to make these, as there is a market for them especially if you get the price points below $150.
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Posted: 5/7/2010 8:28:47 PM
Originally Posted By DseriusPayne:
Originally Posted By ftldrben:

I don't buy the Korean mags because they don't help the industry: All they produce are copies (some good (these) some bad (Glock 18's)) while spending zero on R&D. Would they have ever come up with the idea of the Beta C? Not a chance...

You buy their crap you hurt those making such innovations possible.

My $.02


While I agree with you on buying american( or even just non knock off) to help the industry I feel in this case of an expired patent that it would be healthy for the consumer. A little competition if you will, one that I would hope brings down the price of the Beta C mags. During the ban period Beta C mags were going for 7-800 dollars each. Because I wanted one I paid those outlandish prices, later realizing the ban would end and the mag was definitely not worth that much to me and soon no one else i sold it. I bought another one soon after the ban ended for 275 but even then I still think that is a little steep for a mag. Besides if the inventor of the beta mag had his way we would all be shooting ak's from the hip.

just my opinions



While I'm not the grammar police...you'd better start spelling American w/a capital 'A', son.

As for the Korean mags: Obviously no one on this thread has compared the Korean (much cheaper) mags to the Glock 18 mags...they look nearly identical but the factory Glocks function so much better...you don't worry about the price.

Again BUY American products, from cars on down and watch our economy recover a lot more quickly.

Do you think the Koreans/Japanese/others give a rat's ass about us?

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Posted: 5/8/2010 1:01:45 AM
with these mags its most likely a case where the guys buying the korean mag would never have bought a real beta mag.
I really have no use for a bulky fragile 100rd mag but for $130 I might try one just for the hell of it
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Posted: 5/8/2010 5:16:26 AM
Where did you pick up the KCI mag?
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Posted: 5/8/2010 6:27:08 PM
Well, since the OP took a lot of pictures you can get to mine after you watch my video, just click next to see the pictures.

Anyway finally got out today, I loaded the KCI Beta mag last night with 100 rounds of Federal XM193C. Shoot it today on full auto, ran it until I got a jam, had about 15 rounds still left in the mag. It seems like the last 15 rounds or so in the mag were under extreme spring tension or pressure, that it would not allow the bolt to slam forward hence jamming up the gun.. I'm sure there is a way to adjust it tension? I do not have any experience with the C-Mag so I don't know. If it can be, this is going to be a nice range toy, and I will pick up another one in the future.

Link to Video of KCI beta mag approx 85 rounds till it jams
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Posted: 5/9/2010 12:43:06 AM
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
Well, since the OP took a lot of pictures you can get to mine after you watch my video, just click next to see the pictures.

Anyway finally got out today, I loaded the KCI Beta mag last night with 100 rounds of Federal XM193C. Shoot it today on full auto, ran it until I got a jam, had about 15 rounds still left in the mag. It seems like the last 15 rounds or so in the mag were under extreme spring tension or pressure, that it would not allow the bolt to slam forward hence jamming up the gun.. I'm sure there is a way to adjust it tension? I do not have any experience with the C-Mag so I don't know. If it can be, this is going to be a nice range toy, and I will pick up another one in the future.

Link to Video of KCI beta mag approx 85 rounds till it jams


6 Beta C mags/1000's of rounds never a jam/ftf/problem.

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Posted: 5/9/2010 9:27:17 AM
Thanks, for the post/review. I recently purchased a KCI drum and was wondering how they compared to the Beta-mag.

Thank you,
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Posted: 5/9/2010 8:24:35 PM
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Do you think the Koreans/Japanese/others give a rat's ass about us?



The South Koreans sure do. Aside from all of the military assistance we provide, many of South Korea's brightest come to the US and directly contribute to our economy.
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Posted: 5/11/2010 9:57:58 PM
South Koreans are good people. No reason to talk a lot of shit about them. There are several pseudo-Americans that I'd trade for them in a heartbeat.
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Posted: 5/11/2010 10:09:48 PM
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Originally Posted By ftldrben:
I use several Beta C's for select fire M16/LWRC M6A2 and have followed the advice of others and had zero malfunctions. Lube every time!

I don't buy the Korean mags because they don't help the industry: All they produce are copies (some good (these) some bad (Glock 18's)) while spending zero on R&D. Would they have ever come up with the idea of the Beta C? Not a chance...

You buy their crap you hurt those making such innovations possible.

My $.02


I thought there was a Patent on these! If so how do they get away with making a knock off?

Edit: Unless the patent is expired.
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