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Molon what is considered a good group? So say shooting ball ammo like the imi is 2inchs good? When does good become average and average become bad?
I know we need to consider type of rifle and type of ammo being used but if that same ammo out of a bcm or colt basic m4gery was grouping 3-4 inches would that be considered bad? Hypothetically speaking |
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Is that primer sealer that dried out? What is that Looks like tumbling media to me. I was thinking dirt but tumbling media, could be. |
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Molon what is considered a good group? So say shooting ball ammo like the imi is 2inchs good? When does good become average and average become bad? I know we need to consider type of rifle and type of ammo being used but if that same ammo out of a bcm or colt basic m4gery was grouping 3-4 inches would that be considered bad? Hypothetically speaking View Quote With m193, that would be "normal". And would pretty much mean u r shooting to the ammo's potential in most cases. But obviously there are some loads that do better than typical. Wolf Gold has a reputation for more like 2 moa is possible. Molon has more than a few threads on all of this. Take a look through his threads. I think his are tacked. Maybe they're not. They should be. |
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Is that primer sealer that dried out? What is that Looks like tumbling media to me. Yup. .. |
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Great work.
I especially like that sand from the Golan around the primer. |
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Molon--this is your typical, outstanding professional-grade work. You never cease to amaze me with your thorough analyses.
May I ask--are you a scientist, engineer, statistician? How the heck are you so thorough & consistent? Are you Data from Star Trek, thr Next Generation, or Vulcan? Thank you again for more info. |
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Molon--this is your typical, outstanding professional-grade work. You never cease to amaze me with your thorough analyses. May I ask--are you a scientist, engineer, statistician? How the heck are you so thorough & consistent? Are you Data from Star Trek, thr Next Generation, or Vulcan? Thank you again for more info. View Quote Ahhhhh...the $64,000.00 question. Good luck..anonymity is how he stays unbiased in any way, shape, or form. Maybe we'll get lucky...but I highly doubt it. I will henceforth title it "The Molon Mystique". Not to be confused with "The Molon Effect". That's a whole nother ball of wax altogether. Put it this way...when he reviews new ammo you'd be wise to buy some immediately...ask me how I know. LOL 176 boxes........gone....poof. YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD |
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I need to try some better ammo. I bought my first scope (Leupold Mark AR MOD-1 3-9x40 w/ Firedot TMR) and took it to the range on Saturday. Out of a 16" DD CL free floated bbl, I was only getting ~4-5 MOA @ 100yds. I was using Lake City XM193 though. I have heard that my bbl is capable of better so I need to try some factory match ammo. I was thinking of Federal GMM 69gr. I am sure I also need to practice shooting with magnified optics a little more also. I was shooting ~1.75 MOA @ 50yds with my 11.5" SBR (same bbl) with a Comp M4s using LC XM855. All in all I really enjoyed shooting with the Leupold though. It was a lot of fun. Any other recommendations based on your experience on other ammo to try? Thanks for all your threads OP, very informative!!!
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Molon I love reading your work on here. What is that one piece mount in this picture? https://app.box.com/shared/static/xo4duzdgtp.jpg View Quote A.R.M.S. (It's an old picture.) ... |
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The hallmark of a sound test methodology is being able to repeat a test and arrive at the same conclusion. As a demonstration of this, I conducted two accuracy evaluations of the most accurate lot of IMI M193 that I've come across, from my bench-rest set-up using a semi-automatic AR-15. https://app.box.com/shared/static/fmh65eyylzwm1pcn7ysanc2qe8bxbs3u.jpg View Quote Question. What is your "test methodology"? Is it to shoot 10 round groups? Or is it 40 round groups? The reason I ask is you seem set on 10 round groups in the past. This test is terrible if 10 round groups are the test. The change in group size between each 10 round group shot successively, as indicated in the test, is: -36%, -1%, 17%, 30%, -53%, 94%, -18%. It looks like two different types or lots of ammo were shot. Sure enough the photographic evidence provided in this well documented post shows two different lots of one type of ammo and a third box of completely different ammo. Is the photograph relevant, or was some other box of ammo shot? On the other hand, if 40 round groups are required for proper testing then the second repetition of the test is similar. Do we now need to shoot 40 rounds of ammo, or just 10? |
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3 groups of 10 shots each is perhaps the best test. I've seen groups change sizes somewhat between different shooting sessions, all the same ammo, same gun, same me.
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I need to try some better ammo. I bought my first scope (Leupold Mark AR MOD-1 3-9x40 w/ Firedot TMR) and took it to the range on Saturday. Out of a 16" DD CL free floated bbl, I was only getting ~4-5 MOA @ 100yds. I was using Lake City XM193 though. I have heard that my bbl is capable of better so I need to try some factory match ammo. I was thinking of Federal GMM 69gr. I am sure I also need to practice shooting with magnified optics a little more also. I was shooting ~1.75 MOA @ 50yds with my 11.5" SBR (same bbl) with a Comp M4s using LC XM855. All in all I really enjoyed shooting with the Leupold though. It was a lot of fun. Any other recommendations based on your experience on other ammo to try? Thanks for all your threads OP, very informative!!! View Quote Go to sgammo.com and get some of the ADI 69gr SMKs. It's a super good load that is not terribly expensive. |
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Go to sgammo.com and get some of the ADI 69gr SMKs. It's a super good load that is not terribly expensive. How do you like the ADI load compared to the Federal GMM load? ... I haven't shot enough of the GMM to really have a legitimate opinion, but I do like that the ADI is about half the cost. I only ran a few boxes of the 69gr GMM through my 20" LaRue Stealth and I was able to get righ under 1MOA with it. But I'm not all that great of a shot. |
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