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Posted: 4/17/2016 9:28:58 PM EDT
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It's loaded the same. I suppose it varies lot to lot. It's new Lake City Brass.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 9:42:11 PM EDT
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It's very consistent and surprisingly accurate out of the chrome barrel 5.56 chambers on my AR's. You must have gotten your hands on some of the fabled Lot #3. .. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 8:49:03 PM EDT
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Hush, we are not to speak of LOT#3.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 10:19:45 PM EDT
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That's actually a good question. The Federal Lake City XM193 I recently bought (the 30rounds on strippers package) said the velocity was 3180 fps, if I remember correctly. I thought the usual XM193 listed velocity at 3200 or 3240. The brass on my sample is LC14. It shoots fine, 2-3moa and looks typical.
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Posted: 4/20/2016 2:42:55 AM EDT
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It's loaded the same. I suppose it varies lot to lot. It's new Lake City Brass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's loaded the same. I suppose it varies lot to lot. It's new Lake City Brass. I'm sure I should already know this, but why is the current stuff all new 16' brass and the old stuff was a mix? I have a box of older ammo I just checked and it's all between 00 and 03. Quoted:
That's actually a good question. The Federal Lake City XM193 I recently bought (the 30rounds on strippers package) said the velocity was 3180 fps, if I remember correctly. I thought the usual XM193 listed velocity at 3200 or 3240. The brass on my sample is LC14. It shoots fine, 2-3moa and looks typical. I'm wondering the same thing. I suppose they could have changed the barrel length to 16" M4 standard. Can't wait to see the next Factory chrono test of XM193 out of a 20" barrel to see if it measures up to the historical numbers. Midway still lists their XM193 as 3240 fps, even on the one in the plastic tub which clearly states "Muzz Velocity 3165 fps" If you look at Federal's American Eagle info on their website, it's vague and doesn't offer loading info. Kind of sounds like XM193 isn't what it used to be. Found this on this sites archive. Who knows what's going on? ONE - Velocity - is that corrected muzzle velocity, instrument velocity at 78 feet or instrument velocity at some other range? What barrel was the velocity tested in? The mil-spec for M193 Ball is 3165 fps at 78 feet (+/- 40 fps, with a sigma of 40 fps), from a standard M16 barrel (20" with gas port). That should be around 3300 fps at the muzzle. |
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Posted: 4/20/2016 3:22:05 PM EDT
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LC isn't currently sending out ANY XM193 so you can expect the price to continue to rise if you like this stuff.
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Posted: 4/20/2016 3:25:24 PM EDT
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LC isn't currently sending out ANY XM193 so you can expect the price to continue to rise if you like this stuff. any reason why? |
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Posted: 4/20/2016 3:50:51 PM EDT
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down.
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Posted: 4/20/2016 4:33:25 PM EDT
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down. 855 going to be affected as well? |
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Posted: 4/20/2016 7:17:24 PM EDT
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LC isn't currently sending out ANY XM193 so you can expect the price to continue to rise if you like this stuff. This sucks! |
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Posted: 4/20/2016 11:58:09 PM EDT
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down. Link? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 4:45:50 AM EDT
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LC isn't currently sending out ANY XM193 so you can expect the price to continue to rise if you like this stuff. Yes.......... Link or something to support this or it didn't happen.......... |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 8:33:53 AM EDT
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LC isn't currently sending out ANY XM193 so you can expect the price to continue to rise if you like this stuff. Yes.......... Link or something to support this or it didn't happen.......... There isn't a link to word of mouth. I am close personal friends with multiple individuals who spend their weeks out at LC. If there were a link to it I would put it up But I am pretty sure Federal isn't in a hurry to panic people. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:20:45 AM EDT
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Ok well............ fair enough...........
So this is a "friend -of-a-friend" story on the internet. I and, hopefully, others will decide how accurate that might be before they stampede for the doors............... :) |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:58:39 AM EDT
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Most likely it is loaded the same... different powder lots "might" affect the velocities SLIGHTLY. For the most part.... Fed. .223 velocities have varied far more than Fed. XM193 velocities in my limited testing.
While I do not have any 2016 "XM193" velocities... here are some other .223 and 5.56 velocities.. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/676005_Various_Chronograph_results____16_Middie_and_20_Rifle_.html |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 8:35:52 PM EDT
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down. Link? LINK. Orbital ATK is focused on defense industry products. VistaOutdoor is focused on commercial, civilian products, which would include any Federal Ammunition products. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 8:48:32 PM EDT
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LINK. Orbital ATK is focused on defense industry products. VistaOutdoor is focused on commercial, civilian products, which would include any Federal Ammunition products. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down. Link? LINK. Orbital ATK is focused on defense industry products. VistaOutdoor is focused on commercial, civilian products, which would include any Federal Ammunition products. i dont see any info about them not making m193 anymore? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:00:12 PM EDT
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i dont see any info about them not making m193 anymore? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down. Link? LINK. Orbital ATK is focused on defense industry products. VistaOutdoor is focused on commercial, civilian products, which would include any Federal Ammunition products. i dont see any info about them not making m193 anymore? I didn't say they weren't making any. I said none of it is leaving Lake City. They are making plenty. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:03:22 PM EDT
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I didn't say they weren't making any. I said none of it is leaving Lake City. They are making plenty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down. Link? LINK. Orbital ATK is focused on defense industry products. VistaOutdoor is focused on commercial, civilian products, which would include any Federal Ammunition products. i dont see any info about them not making m193 anymore? I didn't say they weren't making any. I said none of it is leaving Lake City. They are making plenty. is it just sitting on pallets then? the .mil doesnt buy any so wheres it going? hopefully theyre planning to flood the market (in my dreams) |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:03:50 PM EDT
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is it just sitting on pallets then? the .mil doesnt buy any so wheres it going? hopefully theyre planning to flood the market (in my dreams) It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:28:32 PM EDT
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It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is it just sitting on pallets then? the .mil doesnt buy any so wheres it going? hopefully theyre planning to flood the market (in my dreams) It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. so whats stopping them from fixxing whatever the issue is? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:36:52 PM EDT
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:42:45 PM EDT
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More than a handful. Orbital taking over ATK is a good place to start. As with any company, regardless of size, poor management trickles down. well fuck. its still in my ao for sale at least for now. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:09:50 PM EDT
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It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is it just sitting on pallets then? the .mil doesnt buy any so wheres it going? hopefully theyre planning to flood the market (in my dreams) It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. Except that M193 is not made for defense contracts, it is made, at lake city, almost solely for the civilian market. What you are saying makes no sense. I could see XM855 haivng that issue, but M193, makes no sense. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:11:13 AM EDT
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Except that M193 is not made for defense contracts, it is made, at lake city, almost solely for the civilian market. What you are saying makes no sense. I could see XM855 haivng that issue, but M193, makes no sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is it just sitting on pallets then? the .mil doesnt buy any so wheres it going? hopefully theyre planning to flood the market (in my dreams) It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. Except that M193 is not made for defense contracts, it is made, at lake city, almost solely for the civilian market. What you are saying makes no sense. I could see XM855 haivng that issue, but M193, makes no sense. qc is still a thing for civ sales though |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:21:47 AM EDT
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is it just sitting on pallets then? the .mil doesnt buy any so wheres it going? hopefully theyre planning to flood the market (in my dreams) It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. Except that M193 is not made for defense contracts, it is made, at lake city, almost solely for the civilian market. What you are saying makes no sense. I could see XM855 haivng that issue, but M193, makes no sense. qc is still a thing for civ sales though What he said. It's a shock, I know, but Federal actually does care about the quality of their ammo, not just how cheaply they can sell it. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:32:18 AM EDT
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What he said. It's a shock, I know, but Federal actually does care about the quality of their ammo, not just how cheaply they can sell it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is it just sitting on pallets then? the .mil doesnt buy any so wheres it going? hopefully theyre planning to flood the market (in my dreams) It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. Except that M193 is not made for defense contracts, it is made, at lake city, almost solely for the civilian market. What you are saying makes no sense. I could see XM855 haivng that issue, but M193, makes no sense. qc is still a thing for civ sales though What he said. It's a shock, I know, but Federal actually does care about the quality of their ammo, not just how cheaply they can sell it. i would buy it if it was labeled XM193PD like they did with xm855 years ago |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 9:30:14 AM EDT
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i would buy it if it was labeled XM193PD like they did with xm855 years ago Ehhhh I don't think you would like that. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:12:31 AM EDT
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Stop...... just stop....... with this nonsense.
According to you, an internet source who " I am close personal friends with multiple individuals who spend their weeks out at LC." So let me guess, your "friends" are VIP engineers on a highly secret mission to finally sort out EXACTLY what is going on at LC? They and they alone can sort out the problem with XM193 for all that is holy and sacred? Because after all, for yrs and yrs ATK/LC has been selling "rejects" and "floor-sweepings" to the poor masses? But now, after a company shift, which according to you meant the management would be worse off. But now, these poor fools, who according to you, don't know how to manage, suddenly have a heart and refuse to sell the same ammunition? Because of course the first thing you do when you take over a new company is to drive the profits into the dirt? This isn't GD........... This isn't a place for trolls. Either cite your sources or you are being a troll. Well, you're being a troll regardless as your story makes little to no sense. Thank you. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:22:37 AM EDT
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Yes, the ammunition you got and will get is the same. It is not and never was "re-used lake city brass loaded hot." No it's not rejects or floor sweepings- it's ball ammunition. Made by the factory that has made it for 50yrs now. Yes prices have gone up. But it's still decent ammunition, sold at a decent price that will go bang every time. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:46:47 PM EDT
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Because of course the first thing you do when you take over a new company is to drive the profits into the dirt? This isn't GD........... This isn't a place for trolls. What you don't seem to realize is that the LC ammunition plant makes up a little TINY fraction of the profits of a company that makes parts for things that go into space. The whole thing could close down and the board of directors wouldn't even notice. It would be a side note to them. The profit loss means almost NOTHING to them. Orbital Technologies doesn't give one good GD about the LC Ammo plant. I am not trolling. But I can understand your reluctance to believe me. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 1:13:39 PM EDT
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Oh you're on the board of directors now..................
Cool story bro................ cool story. Thanks for sharing.................. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:00:20 PM EDT
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LOL.
I was wanting to hear about the current performance of XM193. Not the supposed inner workings of Federal Cartridge. 
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:27:04 PM EDT
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is it just sitting on pallets then? the .mil doesnt buy any so wheres it going? hopefully theyre planning to flood the market (in my dreams) It's sitting in massive warehouses awaiting de-milling at Some point in the next 10 years. Every lot that gets loaded can't meet QC standards and is being rejected. They are loading millions upon millions of rounds, it's just all crap and can't be sold. Except that M193 is not made for defense contracts, it is made, at lake city, almost solely for the civilian market. What you are saying makes no sense. I could see XM855 haivng that issue, but M193, makes no sense. qc is still a thing for civ sales though But qc is done by federal, and you don't "demil" civilian ammo. You might pull it down and sell components, but this doesn't make sense. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:29:47 PM EDT
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What you don't seem to realize is that the LC ammunition plant makes up a little TINY fraction of the profits of a company that makes parts for things that go into space. The whole thing could close down and the board of directors wouldn't even notice. It would be a side note to them. The profit loss means almost NOTHING to them. Orbital Technologies doesn't give one good GD about the LC Ammo plant. I am not trolling. But I can understand your reluctance to believe me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because of course the first thing you do when you take over a new company is to drive the profits into the dirt? This isn't GD........... This isn't a place for trolls. What you don't seem to realize is that the LC ammunition plant makes up a little TINY fraction of the profits of a company that makes parts for things that go into space. The whole thing could close down and the board of directors wouldn't even notice. It would be a side note to them. The profit loss means almost NOTHING to them. Orbital Technologies doesn't give one good GD about the LC Ammo plant. I am not trolling. But I can understand your reluctance to believe me. It's a Federal Military Arsenal. If it stops functioning ATK loses the contract. What you are saying makes NO SENSE. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:23:34 PM EDT
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It's a Federal Military Arsenal. If it stops functioning ATK loses the contract. What you are saying makes NO SENSE. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because of course the first thing you do when you take over a new company is to drive the profits into the dirt? This isn't GD........... This isn't a place for trolls. What you don't seem to realize is that the LC ammunition plant makes up a little TINY fraction of the profits of a company that makes parts for things that go into space. The whole thing could close down and the board of directors wouldn't even notice. It would be a side note to them. The profit loss means almost NOTHING to them. Orbital Technologies doesn't give one good GD about the LC Ammo plant. I am not trolling. But I can understand your reluctance to believe me. It's a Federal Military Arsenal. If it stops functioning ATK loses the contract. What you are saying makes NO SENSE. I didn't say the plant was shutting down. That part was hypothetical. What I did say was that no commercial ammunition is leaving the LC plant, which is where the M193 rounds are loaded for Federal, because the QC is at an all time low and lot after lot is being rejected over and over. The ammo is getting piled into warehouses where it will sit, probably forever. The LC plant is undergoing some serious changes and personnel adjustments. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 6:34:07 PM EDT
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If that's true, that's a bummer.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 6:56:43 PM EDT
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I have "heard" the jackets on the new XM193 are thicker than the original M193 issued. Does anyone know if it's rumor bull shit or accurate?
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Posted: 4/23/2016 7:32:27 PM EDT
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I have "heard" the jackets on the new XM193 are thicker than the original M193 issued. Does anyone know if it's rumor bull shit or accurate? Oh Man Just shut this thread down. |
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Posted: 4/24/2016 11:16:33 AM EDT
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I have "heard" the jackets on the new XM193 are thicker than the original M193 issued. Does anyone know if it's rumor bull shit or accurate? No.... This, like much discussed in this thread, is rumor mill BS. |
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Posted: 4/24/2016 5:37:25 PM EDT
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I have "heard" the jackets on the new XM193 are thicker than the original M193 issued. Does anyone know if it's rumor bull shit or accurate? No.... This, like much discussed in this thread, is rumor mill BS. Exactly. So many "I heard" rumors are blatantly illogical, or even idiotically without merit. This is one: why would any manufacturer change a component part, which is produced in-house and is as cheap as possible already, and replace it with a NEW part that would need new tooling AND cost more to make? What purpose would that serve? Oh, I know; "The Man don't want us having bullets that fragment." Yeah, right. Next? "They're outsourcing the jackets because of X, or Y or even Z." Again, why? There is absolutely no way an external supplier can produce jackets for less cost each than they can be produced on existing (and already amortized) tooling in-house. How is it that people who can otherwise discuss complex and difficult subjects without batting an eye can even listen to such silly stuff? Grain of salt? Nope - swallowing the BS whole. Critical thinking is just way too uncommon sometimes, especially inside a gun store. 
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Posted: 4/25/2016 8:47:33 AM EDT
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 End the confusion. Just buy PPU or IMI.
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Posted: 4/25/2016 10:19:13 AM EDT
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If I feel decent today, I'll test some through my chronograph, from a 16" barreled Tavor. Hopefully I'll remember the 3.75 inch sight height over bore. I'll do ten rounds, but no more since I'm low.
What I have is from PSA, and is Federal American Eagle AR 5.56X45NATO in the 120rd plastic ammo boxes. It says, XM193 , muzzle velocity 3165fpps. Headstamp is Lake City 15, NATO stamped. I'm at 500ft , and it will be about 75-80f when I test it. |
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Posted: 4/25/2016 1:23:36 PM EDT
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Looking forward to that. I'm planning on shooting mine out of a 16" barrel too. So that would be good to know. But I bought some of the 20 round boxes. I'm assuming it's the same stuff.
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Posted: 4/25/2016 2:52:34 PM EDT
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Looking forward to that. I'm planning on shooting mine out of a 16" barrel too. So that would be good to know. But I bought some of the 20 round boxes. I'm assuming it's the same stuff. Ok, I'm setting my chrony out 15 feet, you do the same. Tell us you elevation and temp as well. I'm not doing real well, so I'm going back to sleep for maybe another hour, but I'll get up and try in an hour. |
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Posted: 4/25/2016 5:29:06 PM EDT
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I don't have a chrony. What I meant was I'll be able to know roughly what that particular load is zinging from my rifle from your test.
 I do have a friend that has a chrony. And he was going to go shooting with me this next time. So, maybe I CAN do some testing.
Are you sick? I'll pray you get better. Just rest if your sick though....... We can fight about how hot that load is longer without real world stats.
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Posted: 4/25/2016 8:58:34 PM EDT
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I don't have a chrony. What I meant was I'll be able to know roughly what that particular load is zinging from my rifle from your test. I do have a friend that has a chrony. And he was going to go shooting with me this next time. So, maybe I CAN do some testing.
Are you sick? I'll pray you get better. Just rest if your sick though....... We can fight about how hot that load is longer without real world stats. Yeah, thanks. It's an everyday thing. Something I've dealt with for 35 years now. Some days are ok, some are really bad, some when I'm lucky, are really good. Today I didn't feel that bad, but I took my meds and fell asleep.I just woke up about an hour ago and had to eat and take my meds again, and now it's dark. lol. I will try and get it tomorrow. I have a project I want to do though. I will need my best friend to get out of rehab from another surgery. That's what happens when you jump out of airplanes. He was 82nd AB , active from 2002-2008, and had a chute not open and tangle up his hands where he couldn't cut it loose. By the the time he got it cut away and deployed, it was too late for his reserve chute to slow him down to a safe speed. He got messed up really bad. Still having surgeries even this far afterwards. Anyway, I have a sliding glass door that leads to the patio. I'd like to have a swing out shooting table mounted to the wall that can be hidden behind the couch, and then swung out and locked in place by using the open patio door for stability ( also that way if I lock it with the door open, I won't forget to open the door, and shoot the glass out like I probably would using the kitchen table lol ). I can shoot from inside, no matter how hot or cold it is.outside, rain or shine, and maybe shoot a bit even if I don't feel well enough to go out and do it. The woods behind me don't belong to me, but the guy that owns them used to allow me to hunt and hike , use them like they were mine all my life. He's allowed me to build a berm back there. My cousin did the berm, but didn't have time to go too far back, so it's 25 yards from the fence line, or , 75 yards from the house, 50 to the fence. I'm going to get my cousin back out and take it back 100 yards from the fence. That way I can put steel out there at 25 and 50 for pistols, and 100 for rifle. I will get out there tomorrow and get that data Lord willing. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:13:28 AM EDT
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I didn't say the plant was shutting down. That part was hypothetical. What I did say was that no commercial ammunition is leaving the LC plant, which is where the M193 rounds are loaded for Federal, because the QC is at an all time low and lot after lot is being rejected over and over. The ammo is getting piled into warehouses where it will sit, probably forever. The LC plant is undergoing some serious changes and personnel adjustments. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because of course the first thing you do when you take over a new company is to drive the profits into the dirt? This isn't GD........... This isn't a place for trolls. What you don't seem to realize is that the LC ammunition plant makes up a little TINY fraction of the profits of a company that makes parts for things that go into space. The whole thing could close down and the board of directors wouldn't even notice. It would be a side note to them. The profit loss means almost NOTHING to them. Orbital Technologies doesn't give one good GD about the LC Ammo plant. I am not trolling. But I can understand your reluctance to believe me. It's a Federal Military Arsenal. If it stops functioning ATK loses the contract. What you are saying makes NO SENSE. I didn't say the plant was shutting down. That part was hypothetical. What I did say was that no commercial ammunition is leaving the LC plant, which is where the M193 rounds are loaded for Federal, because the QC is at an all time low and lot after lot is being rejected over and over. The ammo is getting piled into warehouses where it will sit, probably forever. The LC plant is undergoing some serious changes and personnel adjustments. Really? So they will simply pay to have it occupy warehouse space in perpetuity? If what you are saying is true, this should be good news for re-loaders, because Lake City pulls down rejected ammo and sells the bullets, brass and powder. Sounds like the market is going to be flooded. It also sounds like you are saying only the civilian ammo has QC problems. They have no problems producing ammo that meets specs for the .gov? |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 1:19:52 PM EDT
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Yeah, thanks. It's an everyday thing. Something I've dealt with for 35 years now. Some days are ok, some are really bad, some when I'm lucky, are really good. Today I didn't feel that bad, but I took my meds and fell asleep.I just woke up about an hour ago and had to eat and take my meds again, and now it's dark. lol. I will try and get it tomorrow. I have a project I want to do though. I will need my best friend to get out of rehab from another surgery. That's what happens when you jump out of airplanes. He was 82nd AB , active from 2002-2008, and had a chute not open and tangle up his hands where he couldn't cut it loose. By the the time he got it cut away and deployed, it was too late for his reserve chute to slow him down to a safe speed. He got messed up really bad. Still having surgeries even this far afterwards. Anyway, I have a sliding glass door that leads to the patio. I'd like to have a swing out shooting table mounted to the wall that can be hidden behind the couch, and then swung out and locked in place by using the open patio door for stability ( also that way if I lock it with the door open, I won't forget to open the door, and shoot the glass out like I probably would using the kitchen table lol ). I can shoot from inside, no matter how hot or cold it is.outside, rain or shine, and maybe shoot a bit even if I don't feel well enough to go out and do it. The woods behind me don't belong to me, but the guy that owns them used to allow me to hunt and hike , use them like they were mine all my life. He's allowed me to build a berm back there. My cousin did the berm, but didn't have time to go too far back, so it's 25 yards from the fence line, or , 75 yards from the house, 50 to the fence. I'm going to get my cousin back out and take it back 100 yards from the fence. That way I can put steel out there at 25 and 50 for pistols, and 100 for rifle. I will get out there tomorrow and get that data Lord willing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't have a chrony. What I meant was I'll be able to know roughly what that particular load is zinging from my rifle from your test. I do have a friend that has a chrony. And he was going to go shooting with me this next time. So, maybe I CAN do some testing.
Are you sick? I'll pray you get better. Just rest if your sick though....... We can fight about how hot that load is longer without real world stats. Yeah, thanks. It's an everyday thing. Something I've dealt with for 35 years now. Some days are ok, some are really bad, some when I'm lucky, are really good. Today I didn't feel that bad, but I took my meds and fell asleep.I just woke up about an hour ago and had to eat and take my meds again, and now it's dark. lol. I will try and get it tomorrow. I have a project I want to do though. I will need my best friend to get out of rehab from another surgery. That's what happens when you jump out of airplanes. He was 82nd AB , active from 2002-2008, and had a chute not open and tangle up his hands where he couldn't cut it loose. By the the time he got it cut away and deployed, it was too late for his reserve chute to slow him down to a safe speed. He got messed up really bad. Still having surgeries even this far afterwards. Anyway, I have a sliding glass door that leads to the patio. I'd like to have a swing out shooting table mounted to the wall that can be hidden behind the couch, and then swung out and locked in place by using the open patio door for stability ( also that way if I lock it with the door open, I won't forget to open the door, and shoot the glass out like I probably would using the kitchen table lol ). I can shoot from inside, no matter how hot or cold it is.outside, rain or shine, and maybe shoot a bit even if I don't feel well enough to go out and do it. The woods behind me don't belong to me, but the guy that owns them used to allow me to hunt and hike , use them like they were mine all my life. He's allowed me to build a berm back there. My cousin did the berm, but didn't have time to go too far back, so it's 25 yards from the fence line, or , 75 yards from the house, 50 to the fence. I'm going to get my cousin back out and take it back 100 yards from the fence. That way I can put steel out there at 25 and 50 for pistols, and 100 for rifle. I will get out there tomorrow and get that data Lord willing. Sorry to hear about your buddy. Tell him thanks for serving and get better!!!! That is so cool. I wish I could shoot out my porch. My range is only a mile away, thankfully. But it would be a lot more convenient if it was in my back yard.
I thought yesterday maybe I should take the 20"er to the range and chrony that. Might give us a better picture as to what the real velocity is on those. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 1:54:16 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear about your buddy. Tell him thanks for serving and get better!!!! That is so cool. I wish I could shoot out my porch. My range is only a mile away, thankfully. But it would be a lot more convenient if it was in my back yard.
I thought yesterday maybe I should take the 20"er to the range and chrony that. Might give us a better picture as to what the real velocity is on those. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't have a chrony. What I meant was I'll be able to know roughly what that particular load is zinging from my rifle from your test. I do have a friend that has a chrony. And he was going to go shooting with me this next time. So, maybe I CAN do some testing.
Are you sick? I'll pray you get better. Just rest if your sick though....... We can fight about how hot that load is longer without real world stats. Yeah, thanks. It's an everyday thing. Something I've dealt with for 35 years now. Some days are ok, some are really bad, some when I'm lucky, are really good. Today I didn't feel that bad, but I took my meds and fell asleep.I just woke up about an hour ago and had to eat and take my meds again, and now it's dark. lol. I will try and get it tomorrow. I have a project I want to do though. I will need my best friend to get out of rehab from another surgery. That's what happens when you jump out of airplanes. He was 82nd AB , active from 2002-2008, and had a chute not open and tangle up his hands where he couldn't cut it loose. By the the time he got it cut away and deployed, it was too late for his reserve chute to slow him down to a safe speed. He got messed up really bad. Still having surgeries even this far afterwards. Anyway, I have a sliding glass door that leads to the patio. I'd like to have a swing out shooting table mounted to the wall that can be hidden behind the couch, and then swung out and locked in place by using the open patio door for stability ( also that way if I lock it with the door open, I won't forget to open the door, and shoot the glass out like I probably would using the kitchen table lol ). I can shoot from inside, no matter how hot or cold it is.outside, rain or shine, and maybe shoot a bit even if I don't feel well enough to go out and do it. The woods behind me don't belong to me, but the guy that owns them used to allow me to hunt and hike , use them like they were mine all my life. He's allowed me to build a berm back there. My cousin did the berm, but didn't have time to go too far back, so it's 25 yards from the fence line, or , 75 yards from the house, 50 to the fence. I'm going to get my cousin back out and take it back 100 yards from the fence. That way I can put steel out there at 25 and 50 for pistols, and 100 for rifle. I will get out there tomorrow and get that data Lord willing. Sorry to hear about your buddy. Tell him thanks for serving and get better!!!! That is so cool. I wish I could shoot out my porch. My range is only a mile away, thankfully. But it would be a lot more convenient if it was in my back yard.
I thought yesterday maybe I should take the 20"er to the range and chrony that. Might give us a better picture as to what the real velocity is on those. I'm starting to come around a bit today. I started to go on out, but I had to eat and take my meds. I'm not sleepy today though, so I should be able to get out there and do it. Just got to be sure not to shoot the chronograph. That Tavor has a 3.75 inch sight height over bore. Got to aim a bit higher than I'm used to. lol I was testing out some factory .45acp loads about 5 years ago, after testing some hand loads, and one of the factory rounds was nearly a squib. It sounded funny and didn't cycle the slide, but it still had enough force to make it to the chrony, really low, and hit metal near the eye on the back. It bent it up and knocked the whole thing over. Funny thing is it was still working, and it still read accurately. I bought a new one though, because I was pushing the 6.8 for velocity. I wanted to be sure I was spot on, so I used both back to back at the same time, and got readings within 10fps of each other. I think XM193 would have a different affect on it than a squib load from a 1911. |
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