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Posted: 3/6/2016 8:00:57 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook:
I think he was being sarcastic (kicking himself). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By Jim85IROC:
Originally Posted By fuzzy03cls:
Great to hear I didn't waste my $ buying 5K rds of this when it was on sale for $295 shipped. I think he was being sarcastic (kicking himself). I took it as he did purchase 5K rounds of the ammunition and feels the money was well spent (not a waste). .. |
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Posted: 3/20/2016 3:52:24 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnNYPD:
Molon Very good read and very informative....Nice Job !!! John Muchas gracias. 
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Posted: 3/20/2016 4:20:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MeatBag]
[#3]
It's your fault that I now have 1,000 rounds of Wolf Gold
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Posted: 3/20/2016 7:33:13 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeatBag:
It's your fault that I now have 1,000 rounds of Wolf Gold Why so little? 
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Posted: 3/20/2016 7:37:25 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenGoose:
Why so little?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenGoose:
Originally Posted By MeatBag:
It's your fault that I now have 1,000 rounds of Wolf Gold Why so little?
Cause I also just bought 800 rounds of Federal Fusion, also because of Molon 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2016 8:48:23 PM EDT
[#6]
Great job!
I have been using it for quiet sometime now and I love it |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2016 3:36:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 03Jet]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK:
Reporting my analysis of the Wolf Gold M193 projectile jackets on request in this thread: Since there seems to be some conflicting data and opinions being spread about M193 jackets lately, I decided to a quick evaluation. I took one sample from a lot of Wolf Gold (Taiwan), IMI M193, and Federal Lake City XM193. The bullets were pulled and weighed. All showed signs of tar sealant at the bullet. This was cleaned off with a solvent to keep the bullet mass consistent with copper and lead only. XM193: 54.7gr IMI: 54.9gr Wolf: 55.4gr http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193bullets.JPG http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193bullets2.JPG http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193bullets3.JPG Note: The jacket on the Wolf Gold is "rolled" into the base, making it appear thicker. This is just a jacket design difference and has no relationship to jacket thickness. The bullets were measured for length: XM193: .738" IMI: .743" Wolf: .745" Next, a jig was set up to melt the lead out of the jacket. The copper was heated until it was glowing using a propane torch. A visual inspection was done to ensure all lead was removed. http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193melt.jpg The jackets were then weighed for total jacket mass: XM193: 17.4gr IMI: 17.7gr Wolf: 16.8gr Note - that the Wolf Gold had the lightest jacket mass of the bunch. http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193jacketmass3.JPG http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193jackmass2.JPG http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193jacketmass.JPG The jackets where then cut in a cross section just above the cannelure. Visual inspection shows no discernable difference in jacket thickness: http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193cross.JPG The jackets where then measured in 4 places to determine avg jacket thickness, which was very consistent: XM193: .0255" IMI: .024" Wolf: .023" http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193xm193jack.JPG http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193imijack.JPG http://kevinholman.com/pics/guns/ammo/m193/m193wolfjack.JPG Conclusions: Out of the three samples tested - Wolf Gold (Taiwan) has the lightest jacket, and the thinnest jacket out of all. Federal XM193 had the thickest jacket at the location measured. All of them were very close. The real testing comes from ballistic gelatin testing, which should be available from another member soon. However, this should serve as a valid data point with regard to the jacket thickness postulations. Outstanding job! That was quite an in-depth review you put together. Many thanks FALARAK for putting your data up and the devotion you put into it. I hope you get a chance to do the same with Geco 55 grn. FMJ. It has been rumored that the jacket is thicker than M193 and that is why it could be more accurate than M193. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 5:35:13 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeatBag:
Cause I also just bought 800 rounds of Federal Fusion, also because of Molon
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeatBag:
Originally Posted By GreenGoose: Originally Posted By MeatBag: It's your fault that I now have 1,000 rounds of Wolf Gold Why so little?
Cause I also just bought 800 rounds of Federal Fusion, also because of Molon
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2016 8:40:29 PM EDT
[#9]
This is all I buy now for general range use.
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Posted: 4/11/2016 10:02:25 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evile:
This is all I buy now for general range use. +1 
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Posted: 4/12/2016 9:47:02 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chet556:
+1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chet556:
Originally Posted By Evile:
This is all I buy now for general range use. +1 THIS, been shooting this for a couple of years. I want Wolf Gold to be my exclusive range ammo, when all is said and done. |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 12:58:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME:
THIS, been shooting this for a couple of years. I want Wolf Gold to be my exclusive range ammo, when all is said and done. There's a new kid in town . . . 
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Posted: 5/14/2016 12:59:21 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon:
There's a new kid in town . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/facphrsyzvav53w7pe485liatxvpsn0a.jpg ... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By TATBME:
THIS, been shooting this for a couple of years. I want Wolf Gold to be my exclusive range ammo, when all is said and done. There's a new kid in town . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/facphrsyzvav53w7pe485liatxvpsn0a.jpg ... wut izzit? |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 4:55:12 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK:
wut izzit? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By TATBME:
THIS, been shooting this for a couple of years. I want Wolf Gold to be my exclusive range ammo, when all is said and done. There's a new kid in town . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/facphrsyzvav53w7pe485liatxvpsn0a.jpg ... wut izzit? 
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Posted: 5/14/2016 5:32:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Geco
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Posted: 5/14/2016 7:05:36 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW:
Geco Ahhh. Yeah, I'd love to buy some if it were the same price. But it is generally 10% more. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 4:57:25 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK:
Ahhh. Yeah, I'd love to buy some if it were the same price. But it is generally 10% more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By MRW:
Geco Ahhh. Yeah, I'd love to buy some if it were the same price. But it is generally 10% more. Yeah, I'm too heavily invested in Wold Gold as my range ammo. For me to switch brands, the performance would have to be equal and the price lower. One or the other isn't going to cut it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2016 11:37:08 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DetrhoytMAK: Yeah, I'm too heavily invested in Wold Gold as my range ammo. For me to switch brands, the performance would have to be equal and the price lower. One or the other isn't going to cut it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DetrhoytMAK: Originally Posted By FALARAK: Originally Posted By MRW: Geco Ahhh. Yeah, I'd love to buy some if it were the same price. But it is generally 10% more. Yeah, I'm too heavily invested in Wold Gold as my range ammo. For me to switch brands, the performance would have to be equal and the price lower. One or the other isn't going to cut it. what if it performs much better? |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 1:29:33 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu:
what if it performs much better? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By DetrhoytMAK:
Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By MRW:
Geco Ahhh. Yeah, I'd love to buy some if it were the same price. But it is generally 10% more. Yeah, I'm too heavily invested in Wold Gold as my range ammo. For me to switch brands, the performance would have to be equal and the price lower. One or the other isn't going to cut it. what if it performs much better? Then of course I'd have to consider it, but it'd be a hell of a long time before I'd need to buy any and by then there may be something even better available. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2016 1:49:07 PM EDT
[#20]
What's so special about it? Molon, you keep posting pics of it everywhere. What gives?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2016 1:59:12 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA: What's so special about it? Molon, you keep posting pics of it everywhere. What gives? it's very accurate...http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/682724_GECO_55gr_vs_Wolf_Gold.html this was the .233 load. haven't picked up any of the 5.56 yet |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2016 4:22:06 PM EDT
[#22]
And it's cheap?
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Posted: 5/16/2016 9:57:54 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
What's so special about it? 
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2016 7:27:17 AM EDT
[#24]
Hmmm. Why is it every time I come on to ARFCom there are new and inventive ways to part a good man with his hard earned money???
Tracking. Wolf Gold and Geco .556 for some good quality, cheap range ammo. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2016 1:39:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon:
https://app.box.com/shared/static/oc37ta6wdz8wxv20f4dxfe3gvlipm8ta.jpg .... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
What's so special about it? https://app.box.com/shared/static/oc37ta6wdz8wxv20f4dxfe3gvlipm8ta.jpg .... Wow. Nice. I saw one website had it for .33 cents a round. I don't think that was with shipping though. But still....... That's like match ammo good. Anybody gel test it yet? 
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Posted: 5/19/2016 7:05:21 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigBadWolf11B:
Hmmm. Why is it every time I come on to ARFCom there are new and inventive ways to part a good man with his hard earned money??? Tracking. Wolf Gold and Geco .556 for some good quality, cheap range ammo. Keep in mind the 5.56mm GECO isn't as accurate as the 223 Remington GECO, but the 5.56mm GECO is on par with the Wolf Gold. ... |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 5:44:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoeJeeps]
[#27]
Sealed primers and necks? If we're comparing to Wolf Gold that's a big part of it for me. Wolf is perfect for long term storage.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 6:12:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeJeeps:
Sealed primers and necks? If we're comparing to Wolf Gold that's a big part of it for me. Wolf is perfect for long term storage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeJeeps:
Sealed primers and necks? If we're comparing to Wolf Gold that's a big part of it for me. Wolf is perfect for long term storage. This high quality ammo is made in Switzerland featuring a 55 grain FMJBT bullet with copper jacket and a lead core non-magnetic projectile that is range safe. The cartridge also features an annealed brass case with crimped in boxer primers that are lacquer sealed. The case mouth is also sealed to help water proof the ammo. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/20/2016 7:04:14 PM EDT
[#29]
Where are y'all finding the 5.56 (not .223) Geco ammo?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2016 9:59:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By papabear1868:
Where are y'all finding the 5.56 (not .223) Geco ammo? Check out Target Sports USA. Ammoseek.com found it. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:12:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03Jet:
Check out Target Sports USA. Ammoseek.com found it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03Jet:
Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Where are y'all finding the 5.56 (not .223) Geco ammo? Check out Target Sports USA. Ammoseek.com found it. Found it. 38 cents per round shipped is a bit stiff so I'll probably stick with Wolf Gold. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:23:16 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By papabear1868:
Found it. 38 cents per round shipped is a bit stiff so I'll probably stick with Wolf Gold. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By papabear1868:
Originally Posted By 03Jet:
Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Where are y'all finding the 5.56 (not .223) Geco ammo? Check out Target Sports USA. Ammoseek.com found it. Found it. 38 cents per round shipped is a bit stiff so I'll probably stick with Wolf Gold. I got mine at a gun show in virginia for a bit less a round. Its 1 moa ammo out of a good ar. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:52:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:
I got mine at a gun show in virginia for a bit less a round. Its 1 moa ammo out of a good ar. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:
Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Originally Posted By 03Jet:
Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Where are y'all finding the 5.56 (not .223) Geco ammo? Check out Target Sports USA. Ammoseek.com found it. Found it. 38 cents per round shipped is a bit stiff so I'll probably stick with Wolf Gold. I got mine at a gun show in virginia for a bit less a round. Its 1 moa ammo out of a good ar. The 5.56 version or the .223? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:40:31 AM EDT
[#34]
The plastic stripper clips on the GECO stuff don't play real well with my mag loader (I use a Striplula). It does work, but the clips get stuck in the loader and it kind of defeats the purpose of a speedloader when you have to stop and force the clip out. Anyone have any better solutions?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2016 12:28:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Here are some solutions: Buy a Plate Design mag loader for $50.00. See new AR products forum for more details. They are a site sponsor too. The night before a range trip, strip the amount of rounds you plan on using and put them in an ammo can, loose. At the range, grab a handful of rounds and insert the loose rounds in the mag loader and zip them into a mag. Moving real slow it should take you about 35 seconds to fill a complete mag. At about the third mag, you should be doing this at the speed of 25 seconds per mag. When you get proficient with the learning curve, it takes less than 19 seconds to do a complete mag load. Sit back and give yourself a laugh on how easy that was. Grab your cell phone and take a selfie of your smile! Or, leave them in the box on the stripper clips until you get to the range. Strip them off on a table, or into an ammo can and then insert the rounds into the mag loader. Zip them into the mags and you are done! Sit back and give yourself a laugh on how easy that was. Grab your cell phone and ............. Polymer mags work the fastest and easiest, But metal mags are no problem at all. Enjoy your trip to the range, it just got a whole lot easier! |
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Posted: 11/13/2016 1:26:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Bump
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Posted: 11/13/2016 3:20:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Looks good.
Molon, or anybody else, how's the brass for reloading? I know it's reloadable, I guess I'm asking about softness, brittleness, primer pocket expansion, number of loadings anyone may have on them etc. Thanks |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2016 9:08:57 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pavlovwolf:
Looks good. Molon, or anybody else, how's the brass for reloading? I know it's reloadable, I guess I'm asking about softness, brittleness, primer pocket expansion, number of loadings anyone may have on them etc. Thanks I'm curious to know this as well. I'm just now setting up my reloading bench and I have about 2500 cases of Wolf Gold on hand that I plan to reload. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2016 10:25:50 PM EDT
[#39]
Thanks for taking the time to post this info guys. Great stuff.
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Posted: 3/31/2017 9:28:40 PM EDT
[#40]
Now down under $300/1000 from many vendors
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Posted: 4/1/2017 9:48:22 AM EDT
[#41]
Does anyone know the BC of Wolf Gold? My googlefu must be weak, because I can't seem to find it.
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Posted: 4/1/2017 11:47:52 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME:
Does anyone know the BC of Wolf Gold? My googlefu must be weak, because I can't seem to find it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2017 1:25:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Thanks for all these reports Molon, looks like Wolf Gold is going to be my next ammo purchase. Just need to test it in my Tavor and see if it likes it before I buy a case.
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Posted: 4/1/2017 2:01:42 PM EDT
[#44]
I just got 2K more of wolf gold delivered this week. Great ammo... if you people would stop ordering it may be the price would drop more so I could order more
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Posted: 12/25/2018 6:32:04 PM EDT
[#45]
Hey!
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Posted: 2/19/2019 3:00:40 PM EDT
[#46]
Just ordered a case of this stuff ($273 shipped, which includes $4 insurance) from Target Sports USA. I read good things and saw good reviews on YouTube before ordering, then figured I'd find a thread on it here. Glad to see the OP's in-depth review.
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Posted: 2/19/2019 3:09:47 PM EDT
[#47]
I miss Molon. Wish he would come back.
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Posted: 2/19/2019 3:30:10 PM EDT
[#48]
The Wolf seems to work well enough in the Tavor even though it's 55gr.
I want to report I've been loading these cases with Hornady 55gr HPBT and Hornady 55gr soft point over a stout load of TAC. I worked up, and the accuracy node just happened to be just under max. So far the cases are good. I only have a few that have 4 firings on them that were used to test out loads. Primer pockets are still tight, and there are no signs of stress on the cases. I don't know how they'll compare, but the best ever cases I've had were the SSA 6.8 cases from 2009-2012 period. I had a 16" recon from from the company that cannot be named, as well as their superbolt, and loading 110gr Hornady bullets to 2700fps, Spec II loads, and 90gr TNTs to 2925fps also spec II loads, I had 12 loadings on about 200 of them, and 7 loadings on about another 500. I never had any issues. I dodn't anneal them, and at the 12th loading, I was getting some split necks, about 1 out of every 25 so I retired them. The most I've had on 5.56 or .223 brass with any real numbers was 3 loadings on LC brass, I think 08 , but I'm not sure. I have about 250 that are at that , and they're still ok. I haven't had any splits. I just don't have a lot of loading history on the 5.56/.223, as my shooting has slowed down a lot with my health getting worse, and I was mostly shooting mil surp in them. My main loading was with 6.8 spec II and .308 in rifle calibers. |
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Posted: 2/19/2019 4:26:11 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
I miss Molon. Wish he would come back. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 9:28:27 PM EDT
[#50]
A few of the broken picture links have been repaired.
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