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Posted: 1/19/2016 12:34:25 PM EDT
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Great post.
Thank you! Brian |
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Posted: 1/20/2016 4:29:44 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting this.
Txl |
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Posted: 1/23/2016 1:50:17 AM EDT
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Molon, you make it so much easier for me to renew my team membership every year
The information you've provided to us over the years has always been clean concise data without ANY bias or hype. Your contributions to this site help make ARFCOM one of the best sites of it's kind. Please keep up your fantastic work. THANK YOU SIR! |
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Posted: 1/23/2016 1:50:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lapster]
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Sorry, somehow I managed a double tap, but Molon's posts are worth double taps!
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Posted: 1/23/2016 5:18:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2016 11:34:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lapster:
Molon, you make it so much easier for me to renew my team membership every year The information you've provided to us over the years has always been clean concise data without ANY bias or hype. Your contributions to this site help make ARFCOM one of the best sites of it's kind. Please keep up your fantastic work. THANK YOU SIR! Da nada. 
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Posted: 1/24/2016 5:21:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME:
Would love to see you test the CBC(Magtech) 77gr and a post of your results. Agreed! |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2016 12:09:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bp7178]
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Would love to see you test the CBC(Magtech) 77gr and a post of your results. +1 I would happily donate the ammo. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 6:21:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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Originally Posted By bp7178:
Would love to see you test the CBC(Magtech) 77gr and a post of your results. +1 I would happily donate the ammo. Thanks for you gracious offer. I think I have some of it around here somewhere. If I get some time this summer I'll give a shot (no pun intended.) |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 6:22:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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Federal XM556FBIT3 data added to post #31.
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Posted: 1/30/2016 4:14:03 PM EDT
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American Eagle 50 grain Tipped Varmint AE223GTV data added to post #32.
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Posted: 1/30/2016 7:02:38 PM EDT
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This helps me, tremendously, with my ammo purchases. Thank you.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 6:57:14 PM EDT
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Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier data added to post #33.
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Posted: 2/15/2016 5:54:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon:
American Eagle 50 grain Tipped Varmint AE223GTV https://app.box.com/shared/static/j62kb4nugvo268zfcis0fccco45xcb53.jpg This load had a muzzle velocity of 3085 FPS with a standard deviation of 28 FPS when chronographed from the 20" Colt barrel. A 10-shot group fired from my Lothar-Walter barreled AR-15 from a distance of 100 yards had an extreme spread of 1.32". https://app.box.com/shared/static/gqncjwhmnj2c0z5x4amqzig8weh40434.jpg .... I have often wondered how the Fed. Tipped Varmint would shoot in your Rifles ! Thank you for sharing !! I use your info so much... I think I should be paying for it ! Seriously ... thank you for all of your effort. We all owe you a beer ! |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 2:16:14 PM EDT
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Hornady 223 Remington 55 Grain GMX TAP Barrier data added to post #34.
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Posted: 3/19/2016 4:17:37 PM EDT
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Hornady 55 Grain FMJ Training data added to post #35.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2016 9:53:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon:
Hornady 55 Grain FMJ Training https://app.box.com/shared/static/bpvjcu8z72cnvusqfd1yqrwhwu03pnej.jpg This load is topped with Hornady's 55 grain FMJ-BT bullet; the same bullet that is available as a reloading component. This ammunition is loaded in steel cases. When chronographed from the 20" Colt Barrel, this ammunition had a muzzle velocity of 3008 FPS with a standard deviation of 24 FPS. A 10-shot group fired from my Lothar Walther barreled AR-15 at a distance of 100 yards had an extreme spread of 1.25". Would you think similar results would be had with the brass cased FMJ or the soft point? https://app.box.com/shared/static/9s14bcbnm162ont8h4d24sk1tf78j0vf.jpg .... |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 3:41:28 PM EDT
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I could spend all day looking at the data you provide Molon, keep it coming! I'm not surprised, but quite disappointed in the Core-Lokt performance. Looks like I'll have to use what I have of it up.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2016 3:34:29 AM EDT
[#19]
Excellent thread. Thanks.
lol @ Turkish "1MOA" ammo |
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Posted: 4/8/2016 11:54:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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disregard.
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Posted: 4/24/2016 12:54:25 AM EDT
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Hornady American Gunner 55 grain HP data added to post #36.
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Posted: 5/14/2016 2:25:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stascom:
lol @ Turkish "1MOA" ammo That is some of the worst ammunition that I've ever tested, yet there have been posters on this website claiming they have achieved sub-MOA accuracy with it. .. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 2:20:44 PM EDT
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Post #36 updated with chronograph data for the Hornady American Gunner 55 grain HP load.
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Posted: 5/29/2016 1:10:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Doomstick]
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I began shooting my stash of the Turkish stuff up last week. I was running drills pretty fast, and not really going for accuracy as much as effective hits. I kept most of it within a 8.5"x11" sheet of paper. When I did take precise shots it actually performed better than I expected. I'm going to try to get back out and shoot some more with it and see how well I can get it to group. There may have been some batches of this stuff that perform well, but I'm betting they are few and far between.
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Posted: 6/8/2016 8:07:48 PM EDT
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Bump as this should be on page one
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:24:34 PM EDT
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Excellent post as always.
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Posted: 6/11/2016 7:59:54 PM EDT
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Federal XM556SBCT3 62 Grain TBBC data added to post #37.
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Posted: 7/31/2016 2:44:10 PM EDT
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updated
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Posted: 9/2/2016 11:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite:
This helps me, tremendously, with my ammo purchases. Thank you. Da nada.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 1:00:35 AM EDT
[#30]
Great info! Thank you!
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Posted: 6/8/2017 12:03:12 AM EDT
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I'm gonna bump this.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:10:07 PM EDT
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Thanks so much for going to the effort of compiling this data!
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WY, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2018 7:11:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Devil_pup]
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Molon is basically my hero... ten shot groups from now on for me. Upcoming test, 77 IMI vs 75 Speer GDSP (with apparently .4 bc?!? not sure I buy it...)
Note: probably not worth your time to test magtech 77, in your gun im guessing 1.75 for 10 shots, maybe closer to 2.00. Anyhow thank you so much for all this data, never would have considered speer 75s without you. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 7:52:15 PM EDT
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Winchester 64 grain Defense Tip data added to post #38.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 10:10:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Devil_pup: Molon is basically my hero... ten shot groups from now on for me. Upcoming test, 77 IMI vs 75 Speer GDSP (with apparently .4 bc?!? not sure I buy it...) Note: probably not worth your time to test magtech 77, in your gun im guessing 1.75 for 10 shots, maybe closer to 2.00. Anyhow thank you so much for all this data, never would have considered speer 75s without you. Speer is more than a little optimistic with their BC. Last time we did this we decided it was .28 (G1) on the 75gr’s IIRC. |
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Posted: 6/25/2021 7:54:23 PM EDT
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Hornady Black 223 Remington 62 Grain FMJ added to post #39.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/25/2021 8:19:06 PM EDT
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@Molon
Your GECO range report got archived and the pics are broken as well |
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Posted: 7/1/2021 7:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: @Molon Your GECO range report got archived and the pics are broken as well I'll add that to the list of threads to be repaired. |
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Posted: 7/1/2021 7:39:01 PM EDT
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thank you for the Hornady black 62 gr data. That looks like a good load. How do the ballistics look compared to M855? that bullet looks to be a big improvement over the penetrator green tip
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Posted: 7/1/2021 7:41:21 PM EDT
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Molon, thanks for all you do. To me, this has been one of the most valuable threads I've ran across on Arfcom.
I've been subscribed to it since the first month I joined the site! 
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Posted: 7/1/2021 8:09:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW: thank you for the Hornady black 62 gr data. That looks like a good load. How do the ballistics look compared to M855? that bullet looks to be a big improvement over the penetrator green tip Hornady claims a ballistic coefficient of .274 and a muzzle velocity of 3100 FPS (from a 24" barrel.) I'll be posting some chronograph data for it in the future. |
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Posted: 7/1/2021 8:57:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MallNinja531]
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Nicely done @Molon !! Thank you!
Subscribed. |
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Posted: 8/20/2021 6:54:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon: Hornady claims a ballistic coefficient of .274 and a muzzle velocity of 3100 FPS (from a 24" barrel.) I'll be posting some chronograph data for it in the future. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By MRW: thank you for the Hornady black 62 gr data. That looks like a good load. How do the ballistics look compared to M855? that bullet looks to be a big improvement over the penetrator green tip Hornady claims a ballistic coefficient of .274 and a muzzle velocity of 3100 FPS (from a 24" barrel.) I'll be posting some chronograph data for it in the future. When chronographed from a 20" chrome-lined, NATO chambered Colt barrel with a 1:7" twist, the 223 Remington 62 grain Hornady Black FMJ load had a muzzle velocity of 2961 FPS with a standard deviation of 24 FPS. A true M855 load will have a muzzle velocity of approximately 3100 FPS from a 20" Colt barrel. ... |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 10:14:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: Speer is more than a little optimistic with their BC. Last time we did this we decided it was .28 (G1) on the 75gr’s IIRC. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: Originally Posted By Devil_pup: Molon is basically my hero... ten shot groups from now on for me. Upcoming test, 77 IMI vs 75 Speer GDSP (with apparently .4 bc?!? not sure I buy it...) Note: probably not worth your time to test magtech 77, in your gun im guessing 1.75 for 10 shots, maybe closer to 2.00. Anyhow thank you so much for all this data, never would have considered speer 75s without you. Speer is more than a little optimistic with their BC. Last time we did this we decided it was .28 (G1) on the 75gr’s IIRC. Bryan Litz has reported the G1 as .288 and the G7 as 0.148. ... |
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Posted: 9/21/2021 8:32:27 PM EDT
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Chronograph data added for the Winchester 64 grain Defense Tip #38.
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Posted: 11/1/2021 4:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: @Molon Your GECO range report got archived and the pics are broken as well I posted the repaired pic links here. ... |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 1:15:54 AM EDT
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Really useful thread. Can we get it pinned or tacked or whatever you call it when the moderator waves their magic wand and makes it permanent?
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Posted: 11/24/2021 5:49:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Repairman_Jack: Molon, thanks for all you do. To me, this has been one of the most valuable threads I've ran across on Arfcom. I've been subscribed to it since the first month I joined the site! De nada.  ... |
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Posted: 1/14/2022 2:01:00 AM EDT
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Great work
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:58:24 PM EDT
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Hornady Critical Defense 73 grain FTX added to post #40.
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