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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:22:26 PM EDT
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Darn, I thought I had a freak 1:7 14.5 bbl that shoots 1 moa 55gr geco! Thanks for the research molon It's the Geco... Seriously good Swiss ammo... |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:25:42 PM EDT
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excellent post 
I get so tired of the retarded anti-1:7 twist propaganda *****moderators need to make this thread a sticky***** And I get tired of the "Retardia" anti- 1:9 propaganda... It's all stupid when you shoot somewhat decent ammo out of a quality barrel no matter what the twist; with a semi-competent person behind the trigger! |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 3:15:54 PM EDT
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And I get tired of the "Retardia" anti- 1:9 propaganda... It's all stupid when you shoot somewhat decent ammo out of a quality barrel no matter what the twist; with a semi-competent person behind the trigger! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I get so tired of the retarded anti-1:7 twist propaganda *****moderators need to make this thread a sticky***** And I get tired of the "Retardia" anti- 1:9 propaganda... It's all stupid when you shoot somewhat decent ammo out of a quality barrel no matter what the twist; with a semi-competent person behind the trigger! 1:9" twist barrels aren't going to cut-it with the latest generation of magazine length .224" projectiles. 
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Posted: 1/18/2016 12:38:22 AM EDT
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And I get tired of the "Retardia" anti- 1:9 propaganda... It's all stupid when you shoot somewhat decent ammo out of a quality barrel no matter what the twist; with a semi-competent person behind the trigger! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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excellent post
I get so tired of the retarded anti-1:7 twist propaganda *****moderators need to make this thread a sticky***** And I get tired of the "Retardia" anti- 1:9 propaganda... It's all stupid when you shoot somewhat decent ammo out of a quality barrel no matter what the twist; with a semi-competent person behind the trigger! That's all, well, fine and good until your carbine with the 1X9 is keyholing 77 grain FGMM at 50 yards and not hitting the target at 100. 
I've shot bullets down to 45 grains in 1X7 barrels with no issues. Biggest problem with bullet blowups I've seen have been from bullets designed with paper thin jackets best suited for Hornet velocities. |
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Posted: 1/18/2016 9:56:23 PM EDT
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1:9" twist barrels aren't going to cut-it with the latest generation of magazine length .224" projectiles. https://app.box.com/shared/static/4fihcw1t5m4x1ni8k4u541xyni7pus3h.jpg .... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And I get tired of the "Retardia" anti- 1:9 propaganda... It's all stupid when you shoot somewhat decent ammo out of a quality barrel no matter what the twist; with a semi-competent person behind the trigger! 1:9" twist barrels aren't going to cut-it with the latest generation of magazine length .224" projectiles. https://app.box.com/shared/static/4fihcw1t5m4x1ni8k4u541xyni7pus3h.jpg .... As an example of what I was referring to above, The Barnes 70 grain TSX is capable of decent accuracy. The 10-shot group pictured below was fired from one of my AR-15s with a barrel that has a 1:7.7" twist, at a distance of 100 yards. The group has an extreme spread of 1.12” 
For the next targets shown below, a 10-shot group was fired from one of my AR-15s that has a barrel with a 1:9" twist (also from a distance of 100 yards.) Accuracy was terrible; the group had an extreme spread of over 3 inches. Several of the bullet holes were slightly oblong in shape and a couple of the bullet holes were clearly “key-holed” demonstrating that a 1:9” twist barrel will not adequately stabilize the 70 grain TSX. 
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Posted: 1/19/2016 11:34:18 PM EDT
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Thanks Molon. Of the 70 tsx fired ftom the 1:9, I can see the oblong hole on the top right, but which ones are the keyholes? Is the whole barrel keyholed or just a few rounds did it? Thanks.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 12:42:36 PM EDT
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Thanks Molon. Of the 70 tsx fired ftom the 1:9, I can see the oblong hole on the top right, but which ones are the keyholes? Is the whole barrel keyholed or just a few rounds did it? Thanks. The shot in the upper right hand corner is a key-hole. 
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Posted: 1/20/2016 12:52:25 PM EDT
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It's the Geco... Seriously good Swiss ammo... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Darn, I thought I had a freak 1:7 14.5 bbl that shoots 1 moa 55gr geco! Thanks for the research molon It's the Geco... Seriously good Swiss ammo... Molon, please do NOT test Geco. I want to be able to buy it and at its current price. 
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Posted: 1/23/2016 8:41:08 PM EDT
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Molon, please do NOT test Geco. I want to be able to buy it and at its current price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Darn, I thought I had a freak 1:7 14.5 bbl that shoots 1 moa 55gr geco! Thanks for the research molon It's the Geco... Seriously good Swiss ammo... Molon, please do NOT test Geco. I want to be able to buy it and at its current price. Well, I was going to put it on The List . . . |
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Posted: 1/31/2016 11:35:29 PM EDT
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Darn, I thought I had a freak 1:7 14.5 bbl that shoots 1 moa 55gr geco! Thanks for the research molon It's the Geco... Seriously good Swiss ammo... Molon, please do NOT test Geco. I want to be able to buy it and at its current price. Well, I was going to put it on The List . . . Well, it is on The List now . . . 
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Posted: 2/1/2016 8:26:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/2/2016 12:32:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm really looking forward to your results |
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Posted: 2/24/2016 3:12:48 PM EDT
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All of the bullets to the right of the 55 grain FMJ bullet have produced sub-MOA 10-shot groups when fired from my semi-automatic AR-15s with fast-twist barrels.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 8:00:43 PM EDT
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I have never owned an AR with a 1/7 barrel until I picked up a PSA kit and finished it a couple weeks ago. Got to the range last saturday, just over 200 rounds through it, all 55 grain stuff. So far its the most accurate AR I own. It has a nitrated barrel, not sure if that has anything to do with it, first nitrated barrel as well.
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Posted: 3/20/2016 2:14:33 PM EDT
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I'm really looking forward to your results Also on The List . . . 
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Posted: 3/20/2016 3:41:57 PM EDT
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Lol, GTFO outta here w your data.
55 g from a 1x12 hits you in the thigh and goes out the top of the head while from a 1x7 its an "ice pick wound .
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Posted: 4/8/2016 3:04:26 PM EDT
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Lol, GTFO outta here w your data. 
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Posted: 4/8/2016 4:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have some of the Black Hills "GECO" if you are interested in testing it as well. During the last Obamascare shortage , BH supplemented there 55gr FMJ line with a load tailored to their specs from GECO. GECO 55gr FMJ...................GECO 223 REM..........Av. 2967 , ES 45...............Av. 3128 , ES 22..........................Quite accurate, and still the "cheap" accuracy king in some of my rifles. Black Hills / GECO 55gr FMJ .223............................Av 2863, ES 31.................Av. 3000, ES 20...........................Loaded by RUAG / GECO to Black Hills Specs. Example of the Black Hills / Geco... http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/50rds-223-rem-black-hillsruag-55gr-fmj-ammo 
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Posted: 4/10/2016 9:57:34 PM EDT
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I have some of the Black Hills "GECO" if you are interested in testing it as well. Thank you for your gracious offer, but The List is a mile long at this point in time.
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Posted: 4/12/2016 11:43:10 PM EDT
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Thank you for your gracious offer, but The List is a mile long at this point in time.
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I have some of the Black Hills "GECO" if you are interested in testing it as well. Thank you for your gracious offer, but The List is a mile long at this point in time.
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Posted: 4/24/2016 12:47:25 PM EDT
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Here's another example of how well a quality 55 grain bullet can shoot from a fast-twist AR-15 barrel . . .
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Posted: 5/5/2016 10:24:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/5/2016 10:37:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/5/2016 10:57:13 PM EDT
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Very respectable !!
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Posted: 5/14/2016 4:30:22 PM EDT
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Very respectable !! This probably helps . . . 
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Posted: 5/15/2016 2:25:28 AM EDT
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Not sure how I missed this thread.
Thank you, Molon. I have two AR'S; a carbine with a 1:9 barrel and a rifle with a 1:7 barrel. They both love PPU M193. A bit smaller groups than XM193. Barrels like what they like. |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 10:31:14 PM EDT
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This probably helps . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/fbt1c4b6kprbkb0jeevxgf6rody40e6v.jpg .... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very respectable !! This probably helps . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/fbt1c4b6kprbkb0jeevxgf6rody40e6v.jpg .... How is that supposed to help? You can see the bullet (technically, projectile) starting to keyhole in the Matrix!
Seriously, I can't wait for the full review of Geco 223 and 5.56. Thanks again, Molon! |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 7:16:45 PM EDT
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How is that supposed to help? You can see the bullet (technically, projectile) starting to keyhole in the Matrix!
Seriously, I can't wait for the full review of Geco 223 and 5.56. Thanks again, Molon! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very respectable !! This probably helps . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/fbt1c4b6kprbkb0jeevxgf6rody40e6v.jpg .... How is that supposed to help? You can see the bullet (technically, projectile) starting to keyhole in the Matrix!
Seriously, I can't wait for the full review of Geco 223 and 5.56. Thanks again, Molon! I'm just waiting for the weather and my work schedule to cooperate so that I can chronograph the loads, and then I'll be posting the write-ups. ... |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 10:04:11 PM EDT
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Thanks for the update, Molon! |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 12:04:36 PM EDT
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Seriously, I can't wait for the full review of Geco 223 and 5.56. The 223 Remington GECO review is posted: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/696266_Range_Report__GECO_223_Remington_55_Grain_FMJ_Target.html The 5.56mm GECO data is in the can and will be posted as soon as I have time to write it up. ... |
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