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Posted: 8/28/2015 8:58:52 PM EDT
melonite 1/7 16in barrel h2 buffer mid length gas system billet dpms lower anderson upper 1-4 brownell scope- pictures of 70gr tsx and target impacts aftermath
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:00:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:31:02 PM EDT
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We had a good year with Silver State's 95 gr TTSX. Solid coppers mess stuff up.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 12:11:45 AM EDT
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Yeah, I like how long the 70gr is in 5.56 it almost gives it this tumbling effecting like a 5.45 round it changes it's structure depending on what it hits and what it needs to do. Wouldnt this be one of the most lethal rounds in 5.56? including the fact that it actually makes the 5.56 penetrate to a distant comparable to rifles and not pistols while the lighter tsx rounds only penetrate comparably to a hand gun. This round makes the ar15 feel like an actual rifle.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 12:28:18 AM EDT
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Yeah, I like how long the 70gr is in 5.56 it almost gives it this tumbling effecting like a 5.45 round it changes it's structure depending on what it hits and what it needs to do. Wouldnt this be one of the most lethal rounds in 5.56? including the fact that it actually makes the 5.56 penetrate to a distant comparable to rifles and not pistols while the lighter tsx rounds only penetrate comparably to a hand gun. This round makes the ar15 feel like an actual rifle. Certain people in the military are using 70gr TSX in their shorties. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:40:36 AM EDT
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Can you get this stuff?
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:01:13 AM EDT
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Can you get this stuff? Yes, but do not buy it from SSA. It has been downloaded something fierce. Buy the AYSM or Barnes factory load instead. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 12:30:19 PM EDT
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Or get a couple cans of the good stuff
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:02:37 PM EDT
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Sorry here it is hopefully
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:04:57 PM EDT
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Oh well I tried, isn't there some part of the address you have to delete to get the photo to show up. Thought I remembered how to do that
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:36:44 PM EDT
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yeah. if I knew how I would. I still dont know if i would get a better effect with a different round like the 55gr tsx ssa or if the 70gr tsx has more take down power I don't care about over penetration as I am in central oregon
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:40:15 PM EDT
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What round would you guys recommend that isnt super expensive I want two types of ammo that have a similar POI. Do those results look good for 70gr ssa? or would I get more damage from something like a 55gr tsx ssa ( the other brands are way to expensive or else i'd get the 50gr tsx optimized. but the 64gr bonded nosler seemed to keep blowing up and i'd rarely get a solid bullet that wasnt in four pieces back-ssa load. I just want the most damaging/lethal and effective penetrating round and I cannot make a choice.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:44:35 PM EDT
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I saw it. I have a 16in melonite 1/7 barrel what do you think of the performance I am getting from the 70gr ssa (Which I heard is the hottest load for the tsx, which it did hold some truth because I was getting short stroking until i put a h2 buffer in my rifle. Also do do you notice a big accuracy change between 55gr tsx and something like ssa mk262 or magtech mk262 clones with a 50/200 zero? also what is your go to round as I am civ and cannot get brown tip tsx rounds.
This is my first ar15 build so I am trying to pick the perfect barrier blind 5.56 ammo that has some real accuracy and penetration. lethal for home defense on a farm like location |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:45:23 PM EDT
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I saw those brown tips(lucky). I have a 16in melonite 1/7 barrel what do you think of the performance I am getting from the 70gr ssa (Which I heard is the hottest load for the tsx, which it did hold some truth because I was getting short stroking until i put a h2 buffer in my rifle. Also do do you notice a big accuracy change between 55gr tsx and something like ssa mk262 or magtech mk262 clones with a 50/200 zero? also what is your go to round as I am civ and cannot get brown tip tsx rounds.
This is my first ar15 build so I am trying to pick the perfect barrier blind 5.56 ammo that has some real accuracy and penetration. lethal for home defense on a farm like location how can you say asylum is better then ssa when asylum is rated to .223 while ssa is rated to 5.56 |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:48:18 PM EDT
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who are you talking to? what stuff?
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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:49:45 PM EDT
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sometimes it just takes a bit of time to show up. my pictures didnt show up till late last night.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 2:25:43 PM EDT
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I saw those brown tips(lucky). I have a 16in melonite 1/7 barrel what do you think of the performance I am getting from the 70gr ssa (Which I heard is the hottest load for the tsx, which it did hold some truth because I was getting short stroking until i put a h2 buffer in my rifle. Also do do you notice a big accuracy change between 55gr tsx and something like ssa mk262 or magtech mk262 clones with a 50/200 zero? also what is your go to round as I am civ and cannot get brown tip tsx rounds. This is my first ar15 build so I am trying to pick the perfect barrier blind 5.56 ammo that has some real accuracy and penetration. lethal for home defense on a farm like location how can you say asylum is better then ssa when asylum is rated to .223 while ssa is rated to 5.56 SSA ammo is no longer loaded hot. In the past you would get 2700-2750 FPS from a 16" barrel and SSA 70gr TSXs. Now they load it to 2440 FPS. While ASYM is ".223" my chrono shows it at 2716fps from a 16" barrel. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 3:37:49 PM EDT
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I saw those brown tips(lucky). I have a 16in melonite 1/7 barrel what do you think of the performance I am getting from the 70gr ssa (Which I heard is the hottest load for the tsx, which it did hold some truth because I was getting short stroking until i put a h2 buffer in my rifle. Also do do you notice a big accuracy change between 55gr tsx and something like ssa mk262 or magtech mk262 clones with a 50/200 zero? also what is your go to round as I am civ and cannot get brown tip tsx rounds. This is my first ar15 build so I am trying to pick the perfect barrier blind 5.56 ammo that has some real accuracy and penetration. lethal for home defense on a farm like location how can you say asylum is better then ssa when asylum is rated to .223 while ssa is rated to 5.56 Real browntip is running around 3K from a 16" barrel. It's FAST! The SSA stuff was almost as fast. The ASYM and other stuff is much slower in comparison. I am personally waiting for Black Hills to release their 70gr GMX. GMX has typically been more accurate in my rifles than TSX has been. YMMV for sure on that one, though. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 4:56:22 PM EDT
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The only way you can accurately compare MV of all the different .223 & 5.56MM 70GR. TSX loads is by firing them in the same barrel under the same conditions. Barrel length & temperature of the propellant can make a large difference in observed MV. Every 70GR. TSX factory load I have pulled down except the SWA contained spherical propellant so MV will vary with temperature to at least 1 FPS/ 1 degree F. Here is what I have so far:
MV from 10.0" 1X7 COLT M4 with M4 can @ 70F/300FT. MSL/29.92" with both type rounds fired within a few seconds of each other. Older SSA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX load:- 2537 & 2514 FPS (Box Markings: 8 04879 15703 8). Boxes are dated APR 15 2010. Newer SSA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX load: 2192 & 2205 FPS (Box Markings: 56050100) Purchased in 2013 IIRC. Here are MVs on other 70GR. TSX loads as fired from the same 10.0" 1x7 Colt M4 barrel under similar conditions but a bit warmer at approx. 85F/300FT. MSL/29.92": Older SSA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX:--------- 2575 FPS (Same lot as above) Custom 5.56MM 70GR. TSX:------------ 2543 FPS 5.56MM OPTIMIZED 70GR. brown tip: 2506 FPS SWA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX:--------------- 2456 FPS (This load used Hodgdon Extreme stick rifle propellant so MV varied little from -10F to +135 F) Ted Nugent .223 70GR. TSX:----------- 2376 FPS MV from 16" 1x7 COLT 6940 M4 with M4 can @ 85F/300FT. MSL/29.92" Older SSA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX: 2802 FPS (Same lot as above) Custom 5.56MM 70GR. TSX:---- 2787 FPS Ted Nugent .223 70GR. TSX:--- 2602 FPS |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:07:10 PM EDT
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Does the 70 TSX yaw in soft flesh also? Or is that only an effect after passing through barriers?
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:42:54 PM EDT
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Does the 70 TSX yaw in soft flesh also? Or is that only an effect after passing through barriers? This only occurs when it passes through barriers and strikes at an angle/does not expand. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:11:41 PM EDT
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so out to 250 yards should I get better damage and expansion from the 55gr tsx or the 70gr tsx. and also will i get a closer POI from 70gr tsx or 55gr tsx compared to the new bh 77gr TMK?
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:15:31 PM EDT
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Yes, but do not buy it from SSA. It has been downloaded something fierce. Buy the AYSM or Barnes factory load instead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you get this stuff? Yes, but do not buy it from SSA. It has been downloaded something fierce. Buy the AYSM or Barnes factory load instead. What's the MV of the current SSA? |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 2:34:22 AM EDT
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Can you get this stuff? Yes, but do not buy it from SSA. It has been downloaded something fierce. Buy the AYSM or Barnes factory load instead. What's the MV of the current SSA? Nosler bought SSA and downloaded all of their offerings, IIRC. No where near the velocity of original SSA. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 6:59:26 AM EDT
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Can you get this stuff? Yes, but do not buy it from SSA. It has been downloaded something fierce. Buy the AYSM or Barnes factory load instead. What's the MV of the current SSA? New SSA 70gr TSX 16" KAC SR15 (2015) 2444 FPS Old SSA 70gr TSX 16" KAC SR15 (2013) 2738 FPS Both shot from same gun on same day. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:32:30 AM EDT
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As far as I am concerned the SSA 5.56MM 70 GR. TSX load went from being an outstanding non-LEO SD/HD/hunting load to being undesirably underpowered. Unfortunately, I learned of the download (and of SSA being bought by Nosler) only after I bought a multi-year supply of it. Best remedy I see is to pull the SSA ammo down, neck size the brass to regain proper neck tension , and use the Barnes 5.56MM NATO loading data for TAC to get it up to speed. That load works very well in the 14.5" 1x7 twist Colt SOCOM upper that stays sighted in with it (below). I will give the new Barnes 5.56MM 70GR. TSX load a try as soon as it comes available.
Barnes published this 70GR. TSX over 5.56MM NATO pressure TAC load on their website. They obviously knows what they are doing regarding their 70GR. TSX bullet so their factory 5.56MM loading will be of great interest. 
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:53:43 AM EDT
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so out to 250 yards should I get better damage and expansion from the 55gr tsx or the 70gr tsx. and also will i get a closer POI from 70gr tsx or 55gr tsx compared to the new bh 77gr TMK? OP, The 55GR. thru 70GR. 0.224" TSX/TTSX bullets I have used all expand to about the same diameter of 0.48" to 0.49" in water-shot expansion testing. The heavier bullets will retain the minimum velocity needed for expansion out to longer distances. The minimum impact velocity required for expansion is 1800 FPS for the 70GR, 1900 FPS for all the other standard 0.224" TSX/TTSX bullets, and 2300 FPS for the proprietary TSX bullet used in the factory BHA 5.56MM 50GR. TSX load. Look for the TSX/TTSX bullet that shoots best in your rifle. Above is part of the reason I use the 5.56MM 70GR. TSX. The BHA 5.56MM 77GR. TMK load expands/fragments very quickly which limits penetration. TSX/TTSX bullet expand rapidly but normally retain 100% weight with zero fragmentation so they penetrate extremely well. I use both these bullets but they have slightly different application. You can't expect the TMK to penetrate a barrier well and the TSX/TTSX will not yield the huge-for-caliber wound channel of the TMK. The .223/5.56MM caliber is just too small for a do-it-all-well load. But using both the 5.56MM 70GR. TSX and the 5.56MM 77GR. TMK loads covers SD/HD/hunting whitetail & average size hogs pretty well for me. HTH |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 12:03:31 PM EDT
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around 2650
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Posted: 8/30/2015 12:04:08 PM EDT
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Last night they just released the 62gr ssa tsx for sale 21 for 20 rounds
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Posted: 8/30/2015 12:13:30 PM EDT
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I am going to buy the 62gr TSX SSA tomorrow and try it out i'll post pics. after all my research the 62gr expanded more then both the 55gr tsx ssa and 70gr tsx ssa.
load for 62gr tsx http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_62gr_TAC-X.pdf load for 55gr tsxhttp://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_55gr_TAC-X.pdf load for 70gr tsx http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_70gr_TAC-X.pdf the 62gr outshines them all excluding real long range shots with the 70gr. It seems the 60 to 64 gr range weights have the perfect balance of speed plus weight. What do you guys think. it's weird that my gun short strokes with only one ammo in the world i'v used and that ammo is SSA 64gr bonded nosler.any thoughts on that it was short stroking with all ssa ammo till i put in an h2 buffer. I am sure with the 62 I'll get a more consistent gas performance because every once in a blue moon i dont get a lock back with the 70gr ssa still. but it's rare |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 12:33:25 PM EDT
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When I messured those 70gr tsx that expanded which was majority. some expanded to .60 and a few to .70 That kind of weirded me out.
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Posted: 8/30/2015 1:05:07 PM EDT
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Boy your reloads sure look like crap!
Just kidding. Interesting how well that bullet sticks together upon impact. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 3:08:27 PM EDT
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I am going to buy the 62gr TSX SSA tomorrow and try it out i'll post pics. after all my research the 62gr expanded more then both the 55gr tsx ssa and 70gr tsx ssa. load for 62gr tsx http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_62gr_TAC-X.pdf load for 55gr tsxhttp://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_55gr_TAC-X.pdf load for 70gr tsx http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_70gr_TAC-X.pdf the 62gr outshines them all excluding real long range shots with the 70gr. It seems the 60 to 64 gr range weights have the perfect balance of speed plus weight. What do you guys think. it's weird that my gun short strokes with only one ammo in the world i'v used and that ammo is SSA 64gr bonded nosler.any thoughts on that it was short stroking with all ssa ammo till i put in an h2 buffer. I am sure with the 62 I'll get a more consistent gas performance because every once in a blue moon i dont get a lock back with the 70gr ssa still. but it's rare save your money and stop buying from SSA. If you want 62gr TSX ammo that is actually loaded to 5.56 then get the Black Hills or Barnes factory load in 62gr. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:10:44 PM EDT
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New SSA 70gr TSX 16" KAC SR15 (2015) 2444 FPS Old SSA 70gr TSX 16" KAC SR15 (2013) 2738 FPS Both shot from same gun on same day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you get this stuff? Yes, but do not buy it from SSA. It has been downloaded something fierce. Buy the AYSM or Barnes factory load instead. What's the MV of the current SSA? New SSA 70gr TSX 16" KAC SR15 (2015) 2444 FPS Old SSA 70gr TSX 16" KAC SR15 (2013) 2738 FPS Both shot from same gun on same day. Thanks. Unfortunately I bought a bunch several months ago figuring the same product would have the same specs. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 6:40:40 PM EDT
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whats the projectile length for the 62gr TSX?
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Posted: 8/30/2015 8:25:52 PM EDT
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Mine average about 0.940"
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Posted: 9/1/2015 11:13:23 PM EDT
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how downgraded is it really. you think the 62gr ssa would be decent as a secondary to 2 clips of high end 62gr barns, when does the 62 gr optimized come out or where do you get it. I was thinking of mixing the two.one for shft or whatever and target shooting and the 62gr optimzed as the real HP realistic to use ammo. Anyone know who sells the optimized 62gr. How under powered is ssa now. I know it's affordable compared to any other brand here at a store in bend oregon but is it really that big of a difference in a melonite 1/7 twist 16in? or is it just like 50gr. Also what do you guys think of the mk318 that is the real deal and out now. is that a good round that is just as good as the tsx. it expands over 30 inches!
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:23:09 AM EDT
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im going to talk to them about this. what about there 62gr
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Posted: 9/15/2015 11:31:33 AM EDT
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Has anyone verified that the SSA 70gr TSX has been downloaded? Take a look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y88vaxo3mqU The chrono reads between 2600 and 2700 FPS out of a 16" barrel. I happen to have the same lot of ammo as shown in this video, so I'm understandably curious. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 2:06:22 PM EDT
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Has anyone verified that the SSA 70gr TSX has been downloaded? Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y88vaxo3mqU The chrono reads between 2600 and 2700 FPS out of a 16" barrel. I happen to have the same lot of ammo as shown in this video, so I'm understandably curious. I emailed them about a year ago and they told me to expect 2500 out of a test barrel. I'm not sure sure what that CS rep's definition of a test barrel is, but that's what I was told. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 3:10:09 PM EDT
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is TSX still 100% copper and prone to building up in the rifling?
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:12:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:21:11 PM EDT
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Yes No well then if its still pure copper then it is prone to build up in the rifling unless you can explain otherwise. interesting that there wasnt too much pedal sheering on those bullets. had read the tsx was prone to that too. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 11:48:19 PM EDT
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Have you read it or experienced it?
"All copper so it MUST result in excess copper build up. I read it on the internet." My experience and that of many others who use them is "no." Don't need to read about it, I use them. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 12:16:18 PM EDT
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Have you read it or experienced it? "All copper so it MUST result in excess copper build up. I read it on the internet." My experience and that of many others who use them is "no." Don't need to read about it, I use them. so along your line of thinking then you have shot a few thousand rounds and not experienced any build? thats what your saying? or is it just a few hundred? please be more specific. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 8:53:51 PM EDT
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so along your line of thinking then you have shot a few thousand rounds and not experienced any build? thats what your saying? or is it just a few hundred? please be more specific. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you read it or experienced it? "All copper so it MUST result in excess copper build up. I read it on the internet." My experience and that of many others who use them is "no." Don't need to read about it, I use them. so along your line of thinking then you have shot a few thousand rounds and not experienced any build? thats what your saying? or is it just a few hundred? please be more specific. Before SSA sold out to Nosler, we spent an entire year shooting their 95 gr TTSX, which included several days per week shooting between 300-1000 rounds per day, 2-3 days per week over the course of a year. Every one of our weapons was a 6.8 ARP barreled rifle and I may have run a bore snake through them once per week. Although I didn't specifically test for loss of accuracy due to copper fouling, we regularly introduced new optics which required zeroing just once each time a new optic was incorporated ( LaRue mounts really come in handy when you need 3-4 different optics ready for each rifle depending on what role you were filling for any given day and didn't have the time or ability to find zero again; just install and know you're ready ) , and I never saw a concerning loss of accuracy on any of the 7 rifles. I'm not a gun or ammo expert, just have lots of redundant in the field trigger time to go by, but I definitely didn't experience any long term negativity from shooting literally tons of copper. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 8:28:51 AM EDT
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I am going to buy the 62gr TSX SSA tomorrow and try it out i'll post pics. after all my research the 62gr expanded more then both the 55gr tsx ssa and 70gr tsx ssa. load for 62gr tsx http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_62gr_TAC-X.pdf load for 55gr tsxhttp://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_55gr_TAC-X.pdf load for 70gr tsx http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ballistic_Gel_Experiments/BARNES/Barnes_5.56_70gr_TAC-X.pdf the 62gr outshines them all excluding real long range shots with the 70gr. It seems the 60 to 64 gr range weights have the perfect balance of speed plus weight. What do you guys think. it's weird that my gun short strokes with only one ammo in the world i'v used and that ammo is SSA 64gr bonded nosler.any thoughts on that it was short stroking with all ssa ammo till i put in an h2 buffer. I am sure with the 62 I'll get a more consistent gas performance because every once in a blue moon i dont get a lock back with the 70gr ssa still. but it's rare This. I hand load. I've used Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets for hunting in many different rifles and calibers for many years and find them to be the most reliable performer in terminal ballistics. In 5.56 I've tried every TSX from 50 grains to 70 grains. I've settled on the 62 grain TSX over a max load of H4895. It is a hot load but safe. Don't recall velocity in a 16" carbine. Was compsrable to M855 in that respect. What really impressed me is that for a tactical/duty/hunting bullet, it is very accurate, right at 1 MOA. Reports of excessive copper build up are exaggerated. You do need to clean the bore with a copper solvent rather than something milder, but It does not seem more frequent. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 9:52:31 AM EDT
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I have experience using the different Barnes all-copper bullets in 0.224" thru 0.458" starting with the non-grooved all-copper Barnes "X" bullet introduced in the mid '80s. The "X" bullet had problems with excessive pressure/low velocity/poor accuracy/copper fouling. Barnes applied blue moly to the "X" bullets which mitigated the excessive pressure/low velocity/copper fouling but accuracy was still hit or miss (mostly miss). The good news was that when the Barnes "X" bullet hit flesh & bone, terminal performance was very good. Because of this, Federal loaded the blue moly coated Barnes X bullets in their factory ammunition. The early all-copper Barnes "X" bullet was redesigned with Accu-Grooves which addressed all the previous problems with the non-grooved "X" bullet then introduced it as the TSX bullet. After firing 1000s of 0.224" TSX/TTSX bullets in .223/5.56MM, I have not experienced any excessive copper fouling with them or any other Barnes TSX/TTSX bullets. So I use the same bore cleaning interval & bore cleaners whether I am firing all-copper TSX/TTSX bullets or copper jacket SMK/TMK/AMAX bullets. HTH.
2000 era blue moly coated Barnes X bullets loaded by Federal in 30-06. I tried the 0.224" blue moly coated Barnes "X" bullet in .223 but accuracy was very poor: 
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Posted: 9/21/2015 12:56:18 AM EDT
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Last night they just released the 62gr ssa tsx for sale 21 for 20 rounds I just bought 4 boxes of Barns factory loaded 5.56 ammo from Midway for $20 a box and they have a 5 dollar a box rebate. Up to 4 boxes per address. Rebate might be through midway purchases only and it goes through the end of the year. |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 9:34:24 PM EDT
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The only way you can accurately compare MV of all the different .223 & 5.56MM 70GR. TSX loads is by firing them in the same barrel under the same conditions. Barrel length & temperature of the propellant can make a large difference in observed MV. Every 70GR. TSX factory load I have pulled down except the SWA contained spherical propellant so MV will vary with temperature to at least 1 FPS/ 1 degree F. Here is what I have so far: MV from 10.0" 1X7 COLT M4 with M4 can @ 70F/300FT. MSL/29.92" with both type rounds fired within a few seconds of each other. Older SSA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX load:- 2537 & 2514 FPS (Box Markings: 8 04879 15703 8). Boxes are dated APR 15 2010. Newer SSA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX load: 2192 & 2205 FPS (Box Markings: 56050100) Purchased in 2013 IIRC. Here are MVs on other 70GR. TSX loads as fired from the same 10.0" 1x7 Colt M4 barrel under similar conditions but a bit warmer at approx. 85F/300FT. MSL/29.92": Older SSA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX:--------- 2575 FPS (Same lot as above) Custom 5.56MM 70GR. TSX:------------ 2543 FPS 5.56MM OPTIMIZED 70GR. brown tip: 2506 FPS SWA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX:--------------- 2456 FPS (This load used Hodgdon Extreme stick rifle propellant so MV varied little from -10F to +135 F) Ted Nugent .223 70GR. TSX:----------- 2376 FPS MV from 16" 1x7 COLT 6940 M4 with M4 can @ 85F/300FT. MSL/29.92" Older SSA 5.56MM 70GR. TSX: 2802 FPS (Same lot as above) Custom 5.56MM 70GR. TSX:---- 2787 FPS Ted Nugent .223 70GR. TSX:--- 2602 FPS I just ran 2 rounds of Browntip over a chronograph. I was at the range shooting some when a guy pulled out a Chronograph and set it on the bench. I figured I'd ask, and he let me run a couple rounds over it. Chronographing it was not my purpose today, so I just put two through it. From my 16.1" DDM4 w/Surefire 556-212 suppressor in place, the chrony showed 2849 for round one, and something like 290X (it barely broke 2900) for round 2. Temp today (and ammo was at ambient) was around 65*F. Distance to chrony was something like 5 feet, lol. Anyway, yeah, the real stuff is...hot. |
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Posted: 10/3/2015 5:34:47 AM EDT
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I saw it. I have a 16in melonite 1/7 barrel what do you think of the performance I am getting from the 70gr ssa (Which I heard is the hottest load for the tsx, which it did hold some truth because I was getting short stroking until i put a h2 buffer in my rifle. Also do do you notice a big accuracy change between 55gr tsx and something like ssa mk262 or magtech mk262 clones with a 50/200 zero? also what is your go to round as I am civ and cannot get brown tip tsx rounds. This is my first ar15 build so I am trying to pick the perfect barrier blind 5.56 ammo that has some real accuracy and penetration. lethal for home defense on a farm like location I always used 556FBIT3 for HD/trunk gun, and my ranch guns(I used to live on 145 acres) had 70TSX from ASYM. Only real downside to the 70tsx is through auto glass, but at least it still holds together and penetrates deep in that scenario. Things I like about it are the performance at distance and the deep penetration, and IMO it's one of the best all-around rounds out there. I was always a little leery of SSA, people I trust passed on cases of it popping primers and at least one agency gun blown up with it. ASYM is still respectable velocity wise, while being more consistent. |
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