Curious if anyone has shot a M995 or the MEN round DM31

http://www.men-defencetec.de/uploads/media/MENBroschuereGB1_Ansicht_01082011.pdf

Ha, Ha, Ha... Now that's funny.  At $35+ a pop, not sure many are willing to experiment.  That's if you can find the M995.  The MEN DM - 31 is even more rare.  I've only heard of just 2 boxes of 20 that has reached our shores, and they got gobbled up very quickly by the real ammo whores.   Problem becomes with Importation and needing a special license.  once you have that, technically can only deal with military or law enforcement.  Don't get me wrong, a few has fallen into collectors hands, I've got 1 example and will post latter after work.
There is a second version of the M995 called the AP4 made by NAMMO.  I can't even seem to find a picture, can anyone confirm?

Development of the high velocity Hard Core Armor Piercing (HCAP) has changed trying to find the perfect application.  Currently, as far as we know, they are into and using a third generation HCAP, where the core is locked into the projectile, keeping it in position.  The shape and ceramic binder has also changed.

wolfganggross... you don't happen to mean "5.56 mm x 45 Armor Piercing 45" ?

If so...https://www.nammo.com/globalassets/pdfs/ammobook/nammo_produktkatalog_2014_web.pdf

Page 11.

And from dtic.mil......AP 45, 69 grain, also found here...PDF page 21

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2014armaments/Wed16542Fredrick.pdf

we should call up VP Specialty Ammunition at Nammo Inc. for samples !

no, but if youre really set on getting AP ammo you can always make your own for personal use, just dont try to sell it.

The laws regarding AP ammo are focused on manufacturers and importers of ammunition. Which means the avg joe can own, shoot or even make his own AP ammo.

Ironically, I think the new M855A1 penetrates better than M995!

i had not heard that before. def possible especially with the increase in pressure and velocity. Any links to an article?

Just reading what the penetration abilities are for both showed M855A1 with greater ranges for the same obstacles.  




Here are the penetration specs for M995


3.5.9 Penetration. When fired at 0 degrees obliquity, the bullet of the cartridge shall be capable of the following penetration requirements:
Material and thickness
Range
Required penetration

3.5mm NATO plate
656 yds (600 m)
50%

12mm steel armor plate
109 yds (100 m)
100%

1/2 inch aluminum plate
492 yds (450 m)
50%

1/8 inch steel RHA plate
601 yds (550 m)
50%

Hollow concrete block (through both sides)
54.7 yds (50 m)
50%

1/4 inch steel RHA plate
437 yds (400 m)
50%

3/8 inch steel RHA plate
262 yds (240 m)
50%

1/2 inch steel RHA plate
164 yds (150 m)
50%

Please excuse the few that where reposted here before, Also for lying as I do not have a DM31 (5.56), or  DM151 (7.62) .  But the far right is (2) DM91 (9x19), one awaiting sectioning.
You can see the three basic shapes, the first being the M993 and M995.  Strait walled, flat base with aluminum pusher cup.  Single bevel point.
The .338 Lapua Mag made by Finland (LAPUA) with copper "pusher" sabot, has a 2 stepped point and a notched base that indexes with the jacket to prevent the core from slipping.  The MEN (German) "DM" have similar cores but would have a grey coating on the projectile itself.  Much like the DM91.
Then the Swiss went with a completely different core design, shifting the weight.  Most likely done to cut costs of the manufacturing of the tungsten semi carbide core itself, as it needs to be made into the shape without to much grinding.
The first uncut .223/5.56 that is on the stripper clip of "only one, need another" is a Swiss (THUN).  Its tungsten core would look like a SS109 penetrator or one of the French experimental tungsten core farther to the right.
As said before, these are extremely hard to come by, even lucky to find one let alone a second to section.  But when they do come around, you buy it, regardless the price.  Where and when are you going to find another!




Competition for the M995(AP3) = NAMMO AP4, and the MEN DM31
Competition for the M993(AP8) = MEN DM151, MFS 2000MM-FS, Lapua AP492, RAUG P-AP
NAMMO FFV (Sweden) is currently switching to a nickel/iron binder for its cores.

Those are not the same materials.

There is a big difference between "Battle Barrier Surrogate" and armor plate.  BBS is 3/8 inch MILD steel.  

And, what is a "Concrete Masonry Unit"?

There is also a big difference between M855 and M855A1....

"Concrete masonry unit" is obviously a concrete block.  And the 3.5mm NATO plate is mild steel.

Who said that there wasn't a difference between M855 variants???  I think YOU'RE confused!

Shot some in Iraq, easily goes through wind shields

Not obviously, could be a solid concrete brick, or a couldn't it?

Yes a 3-1/5 mm NATO plate is mild steel, a BBS is also soft steel.  Not comparable to HRA

keep in mind that the M995 specs are the minimums that the round has to meet and not the actual performance numbers



 

M995 definitely outperforms M855A1.

Personal experience - 90+% of the time M855A1 will not punch through 3/8 mild steel at 325-350 yards.b it will also barely leave the tiniest of noticeable dimples on AR500 3/8" steel at the same range. M855 only scratches paint at that distance on AR500.

Personal experience - M995 goes through cars, IE in one side, and out the other, through pillars and seats and windows and similar media to ballistic gel and out the otherside and keep going.  They also zing through engine blocks pretty good too, depending on the angle and thickness.