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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:25:18 PM EDT
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It will do the job. I use 55gr FMJBT so it's all about where I put the round at that matters.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:06:57 PM EDT
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I'd go with something other than 55gr TAP, especially if you're not that worried about over penetration. It's loaded with 55gr Vmax, which may underpenetrate, especially if it has to go through an outstretched arm.
I've been seeing Federal Fusion in stock. Gold dots, Barnes TSX, Mk262. I'd use any quality ammo loaded with heavy OTMs before 55gr TAP. I think it's a shame they market the Vmax for self defense, my department issues the stuff as duty ammo... |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:20:01 PM EDT
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Barnes 55 gr. (or 62.gr) TSX bullets.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:21:08 PM EDT
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I'd go with something other than 55gr TAP, especially if you're not that worried about over penetration. It's loaded with 55gr Vmax, which may underpenetrate, especially if it has to go through an outstretched arm. I've been seeing Federal Fusion in stock. Gold dots, Barnes TSX, Mk262. I'd use any quality ammo loaded with heavy OTMs before 55gr TAP. I think it's a shame they market the Vmax for self defense, my department issues the stuff as duty ammo... You're talking about the same people who market the same bullet for zombie protection. Go figure. The good news about the T2 TAP being hard to find is like mentioned above, there are other options out there. If you have to have it I can probably hook you up with some though. EDIT: OP, PM sent. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:21:52 PM EDT
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55gr TAP notoriously under penetrates. Please read the FAQ on what rounds to select for defense for more info and other acceptable rounds.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:37:22 PM EDT
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55gr TAP notoriously under penetrates. Please read the FAQ on what rounds to select for defense for more info and other acceptable rounds. this |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 9:32:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:30:23 PM EDT
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Thanks guys more I read about TAP the more I am skeptical.
I'm open to suggestion and that Nosler defense stuff looks good. Anybody else have any suggestions to try? |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:39:48 PM EDT
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Thanks guys more I read about TAP the more I am skeptical. I'm open to suggestion and that Nosler defense stuff looks good. Anybody else have any suggestions to try? I should say this is the numero uno bullet according to Dr. Roberts. Not necessarily this loading from Nosler, but definitely the bullet itself. You will not find it cheaper anywhere BTW. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 1:19:47 AM EDT
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Last year hornady announced they were stopping production on a big list of loadings. They needed the capacity to keep up with demand.
The t1 loaded 75gr .223 round was on the list. The t2c loaded 75gr 5.56 has been a Leo only round from the get go. Has to be purchased on a department letterhead. The only stuff that makes it to "us" is grey market. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:36:56 AM EDT
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Last year hornady announced they were stopping production on a big list of loadings. They needed the capacity to keep up with demand. The t1 loaded 75gr .223 round was on the list. The t2c loaded 75gr 5.56 has been a Leo only round from the get go. Has to be purchased on a department letterhead. The only stuff that makes it to "us" is grey market. A local gun store has 75gr T2c 5.56 NATO TAP on a regular basis and I buy it when I see it. Last time I was there, they had an entire shelf of boxes for retail. They have no such requirement. I have not heard of any restrictions. Not even when I buy it on line. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:40:40 AM EDT
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Thanks guys more I read about TAP the more I am skeptical. I'm open to suggestion and that Nosler defense stuff looks good. Anybody else have any suggestions to try? There is good TAP and TAP labeled for marketing. The NATO pressure TAP ammo is good stuff for SD. The other TAP is good ammo, but might not be optimal for SD. links to HornadyLE ammo specs and gel tests |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 1:30:31 PM EDT
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i bought some TAP 75 gr T2 late in 2013 then it was gone, musta been a small run.
if you are a hornady fan, look into the 55gr GMX, just be careful to steer clear of the super performance flavor that is designed for 20" barrels and piston gun. it uses a special slow burning powder that doesnt work so will in carbine gas tubes. there is quite a bit of the 55gr GMX around too. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:25:46 PM EDT
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I should say this is the numero uno bullet according to Dr. Roberts. Not necessarily this loading from Nosler, but definitely the bullet itself. You will not find it cheaper anywhere BTW. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks guys more I read about TAP the more I am skeptical. I'm open to suggestion and that Nosler defense stuff looks good. Anybody else have any suggestions to try? I should say this is the numero uno bullet according to Dr. Roberts. Not necessarily this loading from Nosler, but definitely the bullet itself. You will not find it cheaper anywhere BTW. Link? I want to read some of his stuff and googled it but didn't see this bullet on the stuff I read. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:48:45 PM EDT
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The key to the TAP stuff isn't whether you're getting .223 or 5.56, or T1 or T2, it's simply in the bullet weight/design. The ones that aren't 75gr bullets are polymer-tipped varmint loads. All the 75gr varieties are 75gr BTHP. Whether it's .223 or 5.56 or T1 or T2 really doesn't matter for SD purposes.
The T2 has the same terminal ballistics as the T1 - the different ogive shape was made to promote better feeding in carbines with M4 feedramps, not to change the fragmentation or anything. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:51:34 PM EDT
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Link? I want to read some of his stuff and googled it but didn't see this bullet on the stuff I read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks guys more I read about TAP the more I am skeptical. I'm open to suggestion and that Nosler defense stuff looks good. Anybody else have any suggestions to try? I should say this is the numero uno bullet according to Dr. Roberts. Not necessarily this loading from Nosler, but definitely the bullet itself. You will not find it cheaper anywhere BTW. Link? I want to read some of his stuff and googled it but didn't see this bullet on the stuff I read. He is now a mod at pistol-forum.com. Check out their ammo section for the stickies that used to be at M4carbine.net. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:12:40 PM EDT
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The key to the TAP stuff isn't whether you're getting .223 or 5.56, or T1 or T2, it's simply in the bullet weight/design. The ones that aren't 75gr bullets are polymer-tipped varmint loads. All the 75gr varieties are 75gr BTHP. Whether it's .223 or 5.56 or T1 or T2 really doesn't matter for SD purposes. The T2 has the same terminal ballistics as the T1 - the different ogive shape was made to promote better feeding in carbines with M4 feedramps, not to change the fragmentation or anything. thanks, that's good info to know. i was curious why the difference in olgiv shape. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:11:36 PM EDT
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Link? I want to read some of his stuff and googled it but didn't see this bullet on the stuff I read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks guys more I read about TAP the more I am skeptical. I'm open to suggestion and that Nosler defense stuff looks good. Anybody else have any suggestions to try? I should say this is the numero uno bullet according to Dr. Roberts. Not necessarily this loading from Nosler, but definitely the bullet itself. You will not find it cheaper anywhere BTW. Link? I want to read some of his stuff and googled it but didn't see this bullet on the stuff I read. Link to Dr. Roberts threads |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:32:53 PM EDT
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I started a thread about this very round on lightfighter. The man himself said this round uses the same bullet that is in one of his preferred barrier blind loads.
Although he is "just a dentist" lol 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:34:09 PM EDT
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The key to the TAP stuff isn't whether you're getting .223 or 5.56, or T1 or T2, it's simply in the bullet weight/design. The ones that aren't 75gr bullets are polymer-tipped varmint loads. All the 75gr varieties are 75gr BTHP. Whether it's .223 or 5.56 or T1 or T2 really doesn't matter for SD purposes. The T2 has the same terminal ballistics as the T1 - the different ogive shape was made to promote better feeding in carbines with M4 feedramps, not to change the fragmentation or anything. They list a 55gr barrier GMX on their website, that would be good in .223 or 5.56. They also 62gr and 70gr barrier loads, I'm guessing those are also GMX bullets. They are similar to Barnes TSX and would be good choices, though I haven't actually seen any Hornady TAP for sale loaded with GMX bullets. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:03:29 AM EDT
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They list a 55gr barrier GMX on their website, that would be good in .223 or 5.56. They also 62gr and 70gr barrier loads, I'm guessing those are also GMX bullets. They are similar to Barnes TSX and would be good choices, though I haven't actually seen any Hornady TAP for sale loaded with GMX bullets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The key to the TAP stuff isn't whether you're getting .223 or 5.56, or T1 or T2, it's simply in the bullet weight/design. The ones that aren't 75gr bullets are polymer-tipped varmint loads. All the 75gr varieties are 75gr BTHP. Whether it's .223 or 5.56 or T1 or T2 really doesn't matter for SD purposes. The T2 has the same terminal ballistics as the T1 - the different ogive shape was made to promote better feeding in carbines with M4 feedramps, not to change the fragmentation or anything. They list a 55gr barrier GMX on their website, that would be good in .223 or 5.56. They also 62gr and 70gr barrier loads, I'm guessing those are also GMX bullets. They are similar to Barnes TSX and would be good choices, though I haven't actually seen any Hornady TAP for sale loaded with GMX bullets. The only GMX copper solid bullets are 55 and 70 gr and I dont think hornady has produced any factory 70gr GMX yet. Lots of 55 out there though. The 62gr barrier rounds are a soft point like the gold dots. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:13:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHoly crap.. thanks for that link. great price for great ammo, I just ordered a pile. OP, I too have moved away from TAP ammo. Running the 70g barns tsx by SSA but I have not seen it on shelves in a long time. Im switching over to the 62/64g bonded stuff, Fusion MSR and the Nosler defense, cant go wrong with either. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:23:57 AM EDT
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A local gun store has 75gr T2c 5.56 NATO TAP on a regular basis and I buy it when I see it. Last time I was there, they had an entire shelf of boxes for retail. They have no such requirement. I have not heard of any restrictions. Not even when I buy it on line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last year hornady announced they were stopping production on a big list of loadings. They needed the capacity to keep up with demand. The t1 loaded 75gr .223 round was on the list. The t2c loaded 75gr 5.56 has been a Leo only round from the get go. Has to be purchased on a department letterhead. The only stuff that makes it to "us" is grey market. A local gun store has 75gr T2c 5.56 NATO TAP on a regular basis and I buy it when I see it. Last time I was there, they had an entire shelf of boxes for retail. They have no such requirement. I have not heard of any restrictions. Not even when I buy it on line. Google dude, it being LEO only is all over the place. I said what gets out is grey market, and it's true. I never said its not for sale, just grey market. A distributor buys a pallet worth for a local department, department either doesn't buy it all or it's never bought at all. It then gets out to "us" A shop in my old town came into a boat load of the big boxes of 9mm gold dots the same way. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 8:37:32 AM EDT
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Google dude, it being LEO only is all over the place. I said what gets out is grey market, and it's true. I never said its not for sale, just grey market. A distributor buys a pallet worth for a local department, department either doesn't buy it all or it's never bought at all. It then gets out to "us" A shop in my old town came into a boat load of the big boxes of 9mm gold dots the same way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last year hornady announced they were stopping production on a big list of loadings. They needed the capacity to keep up with demand. The t1 loaded 75gr .223 round was on the list. The t2c loaded 75gr 5.56 has been a Leo only round from the get go. Has to be purchased on a department letterhead. The only stuff that makes it to "us" is grey market. A local gun store has 75gr T2c 5.56 NATO TAP on a regular basis and I buy it when I see it. Last time I was there, they had an entire shelf of boxes for retail. They have no such requirement. I have not heard of any restrictions. Not even when I buy it on line. Google dude, it being LEO only is all over the place. I said what gets out is grey market, and it's true. I never said its not for sale, just grey market. A distributor buys a pallet worth for a local department, department either doesn't buy it all or it's never bought at all. It then gets out to "us" A shop in my old town came into a boat load of the big boxes of 9mm gold dots the same way. If there are no legal restrictions, there are no restrictions. Reality of capitalism. I wasn't trying to rile you up. I was just stating that it is available. back on topic: the 75gr TAP is what I would suggest. T2 over T1, but for HD either would do. I keep a few mags of T2 TAP and MK262 handy. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:12:20 PM EDT
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I bought 100 rounds of 75 gr TAP for $12.99 a box
I still want to try the Nosler also an may buy some of it too. I want to see which is most accurate. My question is this. I plan on loading it in my 10.5" pistol mainly for HD use. Should I load something lighter like the Nosler or I've also been looking at the Federal T223A in 55 gr Would the lighter bullet be better to keep the velocity up? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:26:38 PM EDT
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I no longer buy / use the frag dependent loads MK262 / 75gr.
Although I have several 50rd boxes left. Most of us moved to the barrier blind loads. 5.56mm and 223rem pressure. I`m still using the Black Hills 5.56mm 50gr TSX in 14.5 barrel carbines for HD and SD |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:30:51 PM EDT
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I bought 100 rounds of 75 gr TAP for $12.99 a box I still want to try the Nosler also an may buy some of it too. I want to see which is most accurate. My question is this. I plan on loading it in my 10.5" pistol mainly for HD use. Should I load something lighter like the Nosler or I've also been looking at the Federal T223A in 55 gr Would the lighter bullet be better to keep the velocity up? Last case of Black Hills blue box 223rem 75gr cost me 400bucks with shipping. I think that was back in 06 or 07 I use the BH 5.56mm 50gr TSX because I like the high velocity in my short barrel 14.5 M4 |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:44:54 PM EDT
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I no longer buy / use the frag dependent loads MK262 / 75gr. Although I have several 50rd boxes left. Most of us moved to the barrier blind loads. 5.56mm and 223rem pressure. I`m still using the Black Hills 5.56mm 50gr TSX in 14.5 barrel carbines for HD and SD i'm with you on this topic. all my 75/77 gr stuff is now just for my scoped AR and making hits out to 500. it bucks the wind better and is just overall more accurate at distance. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:39:51 PM EDT
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Most of us moved to the barrier blind loads. 5.56mm and 223rem pressure. I'm staying away from barrier blind loads for HD. I like that the 75gr OTM has reduced penetration after passing through a barrier (like walls and doors). |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 5:49:26 PM EDT
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I'm staying away from barrier blind loads for HD. I like that the 75gr OTM has reduced penetration after passing through a barrier (like walls and doors). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of us moved to the barrier blind loads. 5.56mm and 223rem pressure. I'm staying away from barrier blind loads for HD. I like that the 75gr OTM has reduced penetration after passing through a barrier (like walls and doors). I am with this guy. No doubt barrier blind is the way to go outside the home. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:54:23 PM EDT
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Holy crap.. thanks for that link. great price for great ammo, I just ordered a pile. OP, I too have moved away from TAP ammo. Running the 70g barns tsx by SSA but I have not seen it on shelves in a long time. Im switching over to the 62/64g bonded stuff, Fusion MSR and the Nosler defense, cant go wrong with either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Holy crap.. thanks for that link. great price for great ammo, I just ordered a pile. OP, I too have moved away from TAP ammo. Running the 70g barns tsx by SSA but I have not seen it on shelves in a long time. Im switching over to the 62/64g bonded stuff, Fusion MSR and the Nosler defense, cant go wrong with either. Shipping isnt great so I hope you indeed stocked up hard. I'd get more but I'm tapped at the moment 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:09:14 PM EDT
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I bought 100 rounds of 75 gr TAP for $12.99 a box I still want to try the Nosler also an may buy some of it too. I want to see which is most accurate. My question is this. I plan on loading it in my 10.5" pistol mainly for HD use. Should I load something lighter like the Nosler or I've also been looking at the Federal T223A in 55 gr Would the lighter bullet be better to keep the velocity up? As I'm sure you are already well aware of, anything you put in the pipe is handicapped from the word go performance wise. If it were me, I'd look to a round with a low expansion threshold. Federal Fusion, according to the good Dr., expands very well at 2100fps. Nosler is 1600fps. The beauty of a barrier blind load is that its a good general purpose round. Does alot well, but not everything. To my limited knowledge, such a round does not exist. There's always a tradeoff somwhere. The unknown is what is the MV out of your barrel as it pertains to most loads. Not many ammo manufacturers post MV out of different length barrels. And I should add that HD came come in many forms, not just capping someone meaning to do you harm INSIDE your casa. My $0.02 and YMMV and all that. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 12:52:39 AM EDT
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As I'm sure you are already well aware of, anything you put in the pipe is handicapped from the word go performance wise. If it were me, I'd look to a round with a low expansion threshold. Federal Fusion, according to the good Dr., expands very well at 2100fps. Nosler is 1600fps. The beauty of a barrier blind load is that its a good general purpose round. Does alot well, but not everything. To my limited knowledge, such a round does not exist. There's always a tradeoff somwhere. The unknown is what is the MV out of your barrel as it pertains to most loads. Not many ammo manufacturers post MV out of different length barrels. And I should add that HD came come in many forms, not just capping someone meaning to do you harm INSIDE your casa. My $0.02 and YMMV and all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bought 100 rounds of 75 gr TAP for $12.99 a box I still want to try the Nosler also an may buy some of it too. I want to see which is most accurate. My question is this. I plan on loading it in my 10.5" pistol mainly for HD use. Should I load something lighter like the Nosler or I've also been looking at the Federal T223A in 55 gr Would the lighter bullet be better to keep the velocity up? As I'm sure you are already well aware of, anything you put in the pipe is handicapped from the word go performance wise. If it were me, I'd look to a round with a low expansion threshold. Federal Fusion, according to the good Dr., expands very well at 2100fps. Nosler is 1600fps. The beauty of a barrier blind load is that its a good general purpose round. Does alot well, but not everything. To my limited knowledge, such a round does not exist. There's always a tradeoff somwhere. The unknown is what is the MV out of your barrel as it pertains to most loads. Not many ammo manufacturers post MV out of different length barrels. And I should add that HD came come in many forms, not just capping someone meaning to do you harm INSIDE your casa. My $0.02 and YMMV and all that. Fusion is sub-1800 fps |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:58:34 AM EDT
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guess Ill wait for my 75 gr to get here and order some nosler and maybe Gold Dot also.
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