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Posted: 4/10/2015 11:30:29 PM EDT
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Currently in stock at ammunitionstore.com for $359.99 per 1000.00
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:24:48 AM EDT
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See my previous posting about it's composition, etc. It's magnetic... http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/photo%2028_zpsf8waojrn.jpg</a>" /> <a href="http://s304.photobucket.com/user/dre4555/media/Carl%20Gustav/photo%205_zpskkftwckm.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/photo%205_zpskkftwckm.jpg</a> The lower density makes it longer <a href="http://s304.photobucket.com/user/dre4555/media/photo%201%203_zpswsuerjz7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/photo%201%203_zpswsuerjz7.jpg</a> UPDATE: So I fired off about 450 rounds of the 2006 lot from ammunitionstore.com last Sunday. Temperature was around 76 degrees. As for the aforementioned characteristics: Powder loading: Let me say this ammo is pretty hot. The recoil was more noticeable and the casings ended up a few more feet away than the PMC X-Tac. The range owner inspected the casing with his flashlight and we were impressed by how clean the interior was. Primers were all intact and there were none that punctured through. See the pictures, the close up was the most indented one I saw. It's got some spice to it... http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/Primers/photo%202_zps8xjvwqiw.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/Primers/photo%201_zps5mjgyuct.jpg</a>" /> Accuracy: A person I know who had a match grade rifle said he got 2 MOA with it and declared it the best military surplus ammo he has fired. He said he's picking up a bunch. Smokiness and "toxicity": There was some discussion about this ammo being smokier and some people having a toxic reaction. Yes it seemed smokier than the PMC ammo. If you can imagine with a slight breeze and 450 rounds I was lucky enough to breath enough to taste it a little (like any ammo). No physical side effects what-so-ever. If you can handle the pressure then this is awesome ammo. And with a hardened steel tip and a steel alloy core this is some seriously penetrating ammo. That's what one would expect, but after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 11:31:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what one would expect, but after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: See my previous posting about it's composition, etc. It's magnetic... http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/photo%2028_zpsf8waojrn.jpg</a>" /> <a href="http://s304.photobucket.com/user/dre4555/media/Carl%20Gustav/photo%205_zpskkftwckm.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/photo%205_zpskkftwckm.jpg</a> The lower density makes it longer <a href="http://s304.photobucket.com/user/dre4555/media/photo%201%203_zpswsuerjz7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/photo%201%203_zpswsuerjz7.jpg</a> UPDATE: So I fired off about 450 rounds of the 2006 lot from ammunitionstore.com last Sunday. Temperature was around 76 degrees. As for the aforementioned characteristics: Powder loading: Let me say this ammo is pretty hot. The recoil was more noticeable and the casings ended up a few more feet away than the PMC X-Tac. The range owner inspected the casing with his flashlight and we were impressed by how clean the interior was. Primers were all intact and there were none that punctured through. See the pictures, the close up was the most indented one I saw. It's got some spice to it... http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/Primers/photo%202_zps8xjvwqiw.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/Primers/photo%201_zps5mjgyuct.jpg</a>" /> Accuracy: A person I know who had a match grade rifle said he got 2 MOA with it and declared it the best military surplus ammo he has fired. He said he's picking up a bunch. Smokiness and "toxicity": There was some discussion about this ammo being smokier and some people having a toxic reaction. Yes it seemed smokier than the PMC ammo. If you can imagine with a slight breeze and 450 rounds I was lucky enough to breath enough to taste it a little (like any ammo). No physical side effects what-so-ever. If you can handle the pressure then this is awesome ammo. And with a hardened steel tip and a steel alloy core this is some seriously penetrating ammo. That's what one would expect, but after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! i saw that too. however, the test that militaries use to determine penetration is how far out can a round penetrate a 3.5mm NATO steel plate target. for M855 its 570m; for NM229 (this CG we're discussing) its 625m; and for NM255 (its replacement) its 725m. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 11:32:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See my previous posting about it's composition, etc. It's magnetic... http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/photo%2028_zpsf8waojrn.jpg</a>" /> http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/photo%205_zpskkftwckm.jpg The lower density makes it longer http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/photo%201%203_zpswsuerjz7.jpg UPDATE: So I fired off about 450 rounds of the 2006 lot from ammunitionstore.com last Sunday. Temperature was around 76 degrees. As for the aforementioned characteristics: Powder loading: Let me say this ammo is pretty hot. The recoil was more noticeable and the casings ended up a few more feet away than the PMC X-Tac. The range owner inspected the casing with his flashlight and we were impressed by how clean the interior was. Primers were all intact and there were none that punctured through. See the pictures, the close up was the most indented one I saw. It's got some spice to it... http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/Primers/photo%202_zps8xjvwqiw.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/Primers/photo%201_zps5mjgyuct.jpg</a>" /> Accuracy: A person I know who had a match grade rifle said he got 2 MOA with it and declared it the best military surplus ammo he has fired. He said he's picking up a bunch. Smokiness and "toxicity": There was some discussion about this ammo being smokier and some people having a toxic reaction. Yes it seemed smokier than the PMC ammo. If you can imagine with a slight breeze and 450 rounds I was lucky enough to breath enough to taste it a little (like any ammo). No physical side effects what-so-ever. If you can handle the pressure then this is awesome ammo. And with a hardened steel tip and a steel alloy core this is some seriously penetrating ammo. is the jacket alone magnetic at all? |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 12:02:42 PM EDT
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i saw that too. however, the test that militaries use to determine penetration is how far out can a round penetrate a 3.5mm NATO steel plate target. for M855 its 570m; for NM229 (this CG we're discussing) its 625m; and for NM255 (its replacement) its 725m. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See my previous posting about it's composition, etc. It's magnetic... http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/photo%2028_zpsf8waojrn.jpg</a>" /> <a href="http://s304.photobucket.com/user/dre4555/media/Carl%20Gustav/photo%205_zpskkftwckm.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/photo%205_zpskkftwckm.jpg</a> The lower density makes it longer <a href="http://s304.photobucket.com/user/dre4555/media/photo%201%203_zpswsuerjz7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/photo%201%203_zpswsuerjz7.jpg</a> UPDATE: So I fired off about 450 rounds of the 2006 lot from ammunitionstore.com last Sunday. Temperature was around 76 degrees. As for the aforementioned characteristics: Powder loading: Let me say this ammo is pretty hot. The recoil was more noticeable and the casings ended up a few more feet away than the PMC X-Tac. The range owner inspected the casing with his flashlight and we were impressed by how clean the interior was. Primers were all intact and there were none that punctured through. See the pictures, the close up was the most indented one I saw. It's got some spice to it... http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/Primers/photo%202_zps8xjvwqiw.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/dre4555/Carl%20Gustav/Primers/photo%201_zps5mjgyuct.jpg</a>" /> Accuracy: A person I know who had a match grade rifle said he got 2 MOA with it and declared it the best military surplus ammo he has fired. He said he's picking up a bunch. Smokiness and "toxicity": There was some discussion about this ammo being smokier and some people having a toxic reaction. Yes it seemed smokier than the PMC ammo. If you can imagine with a slight breeze and 450 rounds I was lucky enough to breath enough to taste it a little (like any ammo). No physical side effects what-so-ever. If you can handle the pressure then this is awesome ammo. And with a hardened steel tip and a steel alloy core this is some seriously penetrating ammo. That's what one would expect, but after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! i saw that too. however, the test that militaries use to determine penetration is how far out can a round penetrate a 3.5mm NATO steel plate target. for M855 its 570m; for NM229 (this CG we're discussing) its 625m; and for NM255 (its replacement) its 725m. At what distances can M855A1 and M955 penetrate? Thanks! |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 12:25:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At what distances can M855A1 and M955 penetrate? Thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's what one would expect, but after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! i saw that too. however, the test that militaries use to determine penetration is how far out can a round penetrate a 3.5mm NATO steel plate target. for M855 its 570m; for NM229 (this CG we're discussing) its 625m; and for NM255 (its replacement) its 725m. At what distances can M855A1 and M955 penetrate? Thanks! well for M955 these are what the specs call for: Material and thickness Range Required penetration 3.5mm NATO plate 656 yds (600 m) 50% 12mm steel armor plate 109 yds (100 m) 100% 1/2 inch aluminum plate 492 yds (450 m) 50% 1/8 inch steel RHA plate 601 yds (550 m) 50% Hollow concrete block (through both sides) 54.7 yds (50 m) 50% 1/4 inch steel RHA plate 437 yds (400 m) 50% 3/8 inch steel RHA plate 262 yds (240 m) 50% 1/2 inch steel RHA plate 164 yds (150 m) 50% |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 12:51:42 PM EDT
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is the jacket alone magnetic at all?
No the jacket is not at all magnetic just the core. Not a steel FMJ like russian rounds. Copper and zinc. I can post a pic of that if you like. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 1:31:23 PM EDT
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well for M955 these are what the specs call for: Material and thickness Range Required penetration 3.5mm NATO plate 656 yds (600 m) 50% 12mm steel armor plate 109 yds (100 m) 100% 1/2 inch aluminum plate 492 yds (450 m) 50% 1/8 inch steel RHA plate 601 yds (550 m) 50% Hollow concrete block (through both sides) 54.7 yds (50 m) 50% 1/4 inch steel RHA plate 437 yds (400 m) 50% 3/8 inch steel RHA plate 262 yds (240 m) 50% 1/2 inch steel RHA plate 164 yds (150 m) 50% Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what one would expect, but after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! i saw that too. however, the test that militaries use to determine penetration is how far out can a round penetrate a 3.5mm NATO steel plate target. for M855 its 570m; for NM229 (this CG we're discussing) its 625m; and for NM255 (its replacement) its 725m. At what distances can M855A1 and M955 penetrate? Thanks! well for M955 these are what the specs call for: Material and thickness Range Required penetration 3.5mm NATO plate 656 yds (600 m) 50% 12mm steel armor plate 109 yds (100 m) 100% 1/2 inch aluminum plate 492 yds (450 m) 50% 1/8 inch steel RHA plate 601 yds (550 m) 50% Hollow concrete block (through both sides) 54.7 yds (50 m) 50% 1/4 inch steel RHA plate 437 yds (400 m) 50% 3/8 inch steel RHA plate 262 yds (240 m) 50% 1/2 inch steel RHA plate 164 yds (150 m) 50% Interesting that the CG has almost identical 3.5mm penetration rating to M955! M855A1's performance is most likely so close to M955, that it is almost senseless to still have M955. In fact, in some cases I believe M855A1 penetrates better! |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 1:33:15 PM EDT
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...after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 2:04:26 PM EDT
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I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel I'm still waiting with baited breath to see some SBR gel tests with the CG as well as additional penetration tests through all sorts of different mediums! |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 2:08:27 PM EDT
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I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel If you look at my pictures, the CG ammo is two part core only joint by the jacket and a lip on the hardened tip. It's not glued or bonded just resting on each other. So if it lines up well it will maintain mass behind the hardened tip but then also separate and tumble causing a wound channel. I think your absolutely correct. The jacket is so thick that the core has a smaller diameter and is longer, which would contribute to penetration. The new US M855A1 ammo is extremely similar to this ammo. I'm not sure if the Swedes made the ammo purely to be non-toxic then discovered that it was more effective or if they designed it that way. Anyhow the US has adopted this type of non-lead ammo as the new "enhanced performance" ball ammo. They report that what you say is exactly what happens and that the yaw characteristics of the longer less dense round make it more likely to cavatate than M855. Again that's the US testing of a very similar round. A funny aspect is that an earlier poster had said these were designed by the Swedes as a less lethal "humane' round. What a joke. Actually a UK manufacturer decided to not make the lead free ammo at one time because "lethality was the priority". I think they will also be singing a different tune. Please do not buy this ammo. I want it all 
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Posted: 4/15/2015 2:10:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still waiting with baited breath to see some SBR gel tests with the CG as well as additional penetration tests through all sorts of different mediums! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ...after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel I'm still waiting with baited breath to see some SBR gel tests with the CG as well as additional penetration tests through all sorts of different mediums! |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 2:16:01 PM EDT
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I've got a 9" barrel and I do gel tests, can anyone sell me 40 rounds of this or point me to where I can buy a couple boxes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...after a test one of the members did, it didn't seem to penetrate any better than standard M855! I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel I'm still waiting with baited breath to see some SBR gel tests with the CG as well as additional penetration tests through all sorts of different mediums! AIM is selling 100 round packs for $45 still. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 3:46:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AIM is selling 100 round packs for $45 still. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel I'm still waiting with baited breath to see some SBR gel tests with the CG as well as additional penetration tests through all sorts of different mediums! AIM is selling 100 round packs for $45 still. |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 4:57:18 PM EDT
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I would expect the CG ammo outperforms the M855 ammo on oblique hits; both in barrier penetration and wound channel post barrier . It should perform better off angle because the steel core is mechanically joined to the harder penetrator; this keeps the weight behind the penetrator longer. When / If the steel core separates from the perpetrator, the core won't disintegrate on the barrier and should retain enough weight to make a good wound channel I'm still waiting with baited breath to see some SBR gel tests with the CG as well as additional penetration tests through all sorts of different mediums! AIM is selling 100 round packs for $45 still. I've got some to use for this project. I can just ship ground? |
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Posted: 5/21/2015 4:17:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/21/2015 8:57:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/21/2015 9:30:18 PM EDT
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Looks pretty meh. Maybe better barrier performance?
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Posted: 5/21/2015 9:32:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks pretty meh. Maybe better barrier performance? |
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Posted: 5/21/2015 10:36:59 PM EDT
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Tula actually has very impressive performance for a fmj.
One thing I noticed about CG is that the wound channel is very consistent regardless of velocity. That is good, but obviously the long neck is not optimal. |
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Posted: 5/21/2015 10:48:27 PM EDT
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i hope people werent expecting some crazy fragmentation since it has a two piece steel core. the Euros are very down on fragmentation because they see it as inhumane. they go for severe yaw and penetration for wounding. in that first shot, it looks like the bullet yawed and was perpendicular and corkscrewing through the gel
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Posted: 5/21/2015 10:55:23 PM EDT
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i hope people werent expecting some crazy fragmentation since it has a two piece steel core. the Euros are very down on fragmentation because they see it as inhumane. they go for severe yaw and penetration for wounding. This round didn't have "severe" yaw, and M855a1 has a similar construction to this with two main solid pieces. It also has a much more impressive wound channel! |
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Posted: 5/21/2015 11:02:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This round didn't have "severe" yaw, and M855a1 has a similar construction to this with two main solid pieces. It also has a much more impressive wound channel! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i hope people werent expecting some crazy fragmentation since it has a two piece steel core. the Euros are very down on fragmentation because they see it as inhumane. they go for severe yaw and penetration for wounding. This round didn't have "severe" yaw, and M855a1 has a similar construction to this with two main solid pieces. It also has a much more impressive wound channel! well it looks like it yawed 90 degrees and cut a 1" wide, spiraling, permanent wound channel until it exited the block. with M855A1, the steel perpetrator and copper slug separate and that causes the copper jacket to fragment. the replacement that NAMMO came up with to this round is supposed to yaw much sooner and have more penetration |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:44:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tula actually has very impressive performance for a fmj. One thing I noticed about CG is that the wound channel is very consistent regardless of velocity. That is good, but obviously the long neck is not optimal. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:08:28 AM EDT
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well it looks like it yawed 90 degrees and cut a 1" wide, spiraling, permanent wound channel until it exited the block. with M855A1, the steel perpetrator and copper slug separate and that causes the copper jacket to fragment. the replacement that NAMMO came up with to this round is supposed to yaw much sooner and have more penetration Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i hope people werent expecting some crazy fragmentation since it has a two piece steel core. the Euros are very down on fragmentation because they see it as inhumane. they go for severe yaw and penetration for wounding. This round didn't have "severe" yaw, and M855a1 has a similar construction to this with two main solid pieces. It also has a much more impressive wound channel! well it looks like it yawed 90 degrees and cut a 1" wide, spiraling, permanent wound channel until it exited the block. with M855A1, the steel perpetrator and copper slug separate and that causes the copper jacket to fragment. the replacement that NAMMO came up with to this round is supposed to yaw much sooner and have more penetration It yawed, but hardly what I would call "severe" yaw. Also, it had a very long neck, aka, took a long time / distance to yaw, which is subpar. It looks like it could exit a torso before it would start to yaw, and the yawing it did do was nothing spectacular. Go look and see what 7N6 does to gel to see a more "severe" and effective yaw. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 9:53:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2015 3:41:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2015 7:11:44 AM EDT
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The inhumane part is the tiny pieces of lead that fragment and are not all removed, leaving lead in the tissue and a possible infection site later on. Also the non-toxic stops the unnecessary dumping of metric tons of lead, especially if you are training soldiers and firing so much ammo. Even if you recover it from the range the lead exposure and environmental release caused by lead ammo is not exactly ideal. I head this was the primary reasoning for the non-toxic in the first place, but the humane aspect is interesting. This would be great hunting ammo because after seeing X-rays of dear, pigs, etc I won't be shooting lead rounds while hunting. The vultures eat the carcass of the ones that got away or eat the entrails from cleaning game and this causes lead stick inside their GI track (not to mention it's also toxic).
The conservation of momentum in solid pieces would cause some damage as it begins to yaw. The super hard cone of the NM229 (this thread) followed but the non-fragmenting core might push through barriers and I'd love to do a barrier test. The NM229 looks like a non-toxic version of the M855 that seems to have turned out better that the standard M855 for steel penetration at range (~200 yards).. Also the US followed suite with the M855A1 (enhanced performance) which is steel/alloy core with copper jacketing that seems similar to this. Plus we probably cannot by the M855A1 (At least not in Cali). Great value for sure. The plastic bags that cover each 10 round clip are perfect for storage long term. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 7:59:43 AM EDT
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How so?
Better accuracy? This is above par for M855 ammo. Last time I checked shooting anything made of copper gliding steel firing out of a copper case would have to completely blow to be worse than steel jacketed steel case Russian busmaster fodder. But maybe I have underestimated tulammo....but bad comparison anyhow. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 8:02:32 AM EDT
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* based on a one round test....
I bet the M855A1 is great but can you buy it? It seems like the two halves may be more melded together from the cross sections. You fired the M855A1? |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 8:05:00 AM EDT
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Yes the yaw was a major contributor to performance with the longer, less dense slug. Starts tumbling in less cm/in.
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Posted: 5/24/2015 8:06:25 AM EDT
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Yes for going 2400 fps it tumbles fast. Good to know for pistol builds.
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Posted: 5/24/2015 8:10:49 AM EDT
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There is no copper slug...
That was the first variant of the M855A1, but they decided steel alloy works better. For this surplus ammo it's a steel allow core, hardened steel tip and thick copper jacketing. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 7:40:39 AM EDT
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i think your right, great short barrel ammo. great out of my 16" too...very precise.
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Posted: 5/25/2015 11:27:31 AM EDT
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Thanks for gel test video.
If you test against barricade, please use a hollow core cinder block. M193 and M855 wont exit rear of second face. M855A1 will to 50 m (reportedly). The mild steel second core might do the trick at close range also. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 11:30:36 AM EDT
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Thanks for gel test video. If you test against barricade, please use a hollow core cinder block. M193 and M855 wont exit rear of second face. M855A1 will to 50 m (reportedly). The mild steel second core might do the trick at close range also. You sure about that? 
I also tested M193 that day but didn't get good video of it. It did punch through both sides of the block but did a little less damage to the water jug than the M855 did. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 1:07:20 PM EDT
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Cool video.
I am using square rather than rectangular blocks. You can buy them as a double or single block. Even old pre SS109 tungsten core Hertenberg wont exit rear face. Neither will 5.45 Russian ammo. I dont know what Army used to test M855A1, square or rectangular. Square much more common where I live (NW). One advantage of M855A1 and steel core Carl Gustaf 556 might be on ricochet. Good thing for War fighters. I had a 600 yard range for many years, and a Stoner 63A1 for twenty. M193 and M855 (I had 1:7.7 twist barrels) would only ricochet about three feet at medium to long range on my gravel access road. 762 would go like thirty feet! Army specs on A1 said M855 would not perforate (exit) a cinder block so am pretty sure they used square ones too. thanks for sharing video!! PS 762 x 39 and M80 go through 1 1/2 and two square cinder blocks. Type PS (steel core) 762 x 39 equals M80. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 8:34:35 PM EDT
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Beerswimmer,
Thanks for details on CG from the AUG. Ive owned two of them, one full auto and one SA, and am an AUG fan. But I suspect the accuracy would have been better in the AUG with a 1:8 or 1:7 twist to stabilize. It's 1.006 inches long. Thats similar to an 80 grain sierra Match King. (1.066). And has anyone tested it in a Wylde chamber??? |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 4:31:35 PM EDT
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Proof research SS 16 inch 1/8 wylde chamber. This was at 50 yards sighting in my BDC. But it looks good to me. Didn't get a chance to get a group at 100.
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Posted: 6/15/2015 8:15:49 AM EDT
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I just picked up 1000 rounds of this stuff at the ammunitionstore.com for $360 + shipping. I'm looking forward to trying it out.
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Posted: 6/16/2015 8:55:10 AM EDT
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This ammo got about 3200 fps out of my 22" barrel bolt gun. Pretty good.
I shot it at a level III armor plate. |
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Posted: 6/16/2015 11:02:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This ammo got about 3200 fps out of my 22" barrel bolt gun. Pretty good. I shot it at a level III armor plate. well dont keep us in suspense!! |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 5:15:29 AM EDT
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This ammo got about 3200 fps out of my 22" barrel bolt gun. Pretty good. I shot it at a level III armor plate. Can't see pics/video... |
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Posted: 6/22/2015 12:12:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't see pics/video... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This ammo got about 3200 fps out of my 22" barrel bolt gun. Pretty good. I shot it at a level III armor plate. Can't see pics/video... |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well dont keep us in suspense!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This ammo got about 3200 fps out of my 22" barrel bolt gun. Pretty good. I shot it at a level III armor plate. well dont keep us in suspense!! |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 11:20:18 PM EDT
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This ammo got about 3200 fps out of my 22" barrel bolt gun. Pretty good. I shot it at a level III armor plate. well dont keep us in suspense!!  http://youtu.be/hFmh9UmNqjw
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Posted: 7/21/2015 2:13:38 PM EDT
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Yeah, my experience was that is did about 90% of what regular M855 did in penetrating steel. But after passing through one layer of mild steel it did more damage than what M193 did to the next layer.
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Posted: 8/5/2015 8:31:04 PM EDT
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