Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
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Originally Posted By Glock031:


Just a heads up. I placed an online order there for the first time ever last Saturday night. My CC #'s became compromised and I had multiple fraudulent activity shortly afterwards. I just had to put in claims and close that account. This was my only online purchase in a while. Just sayin.....

Originally Posted By Glock031:


Just a heads up. I placed an online order there for the first time ever last Saturday night. My CC #'s became compromised and I had multiple fraudulent activity shortly afterwards. I just had to put in claims and close that account. This was my only online purchase in a while. Just sayin.....

Originally Posted By TriadTactical:


Sorry to hear of your card issue.

All credit cards are transmitted to and processed by authorize.net. NO credit card info is stored on triadtactical.com. All transaction data is transmitted though trustwave ssl Premium 256bit Certificate. Also the site is protected from hackers by securelive.net.

There have been zero reports by Visa, MasterCard, American Express or authorize.net of loss of credit card info through triadtactical.com

Just sayin.....

Originally Posted By dogesco93:


not an industry partner/never heard of you = little trust

just sayin....

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Just curious if there was any noticable drop in accuracy. I found a source for seconds, but not for new. The price is only a few cents cheaper, so there really isn't much cost savings....but since its the only stuff available, I'd like to know if its worth it considering that I use this ammuntion for precision shooting.

Any input on accuracy difference between the two?

THANKS!

Originally Posted By Southern_Partisan:


Does anyone have an answer for this??

Originally Posted By Southern_Partisan:
Is the Black Hills red box 5.56mm 77 Gr OTM, Black Hills white box 5.56mm 77 Gr Match HP, and MK262 Mod 1 all one and the same??

Same powder, same brass and primers, same Sierra MatchKing Hollow Point bullet, same velocity, etc?? ( Cosmetics aside on the white box Factory Seconds)

Originally Posted By pwr2al4:



I just went and grabbed a box of all three. Im not gonna pull them apart until later although I am curious about the powder.

I'm not sure if S_P is mixed up or not asking about the 77gr Match HP when he calls it white box.
The 77 Match is what they call their remanufactured BLUE BOX line which is .223. Although there probably are a small batch of 77 match HP white box that get sold off every year, I alwaysthought the white box meant it was either not originallyy meant for domestic sale or that it was blemished, but the point is there exactly the same. I believe that the 262 was the only non retail rounds that they were selling off to outside vendors liek cabelas and what not which is how we have all managed to get a hold of them for the past few years.

The better questions is comparing the 77gr OTM red AKA the mk 262 vs. the .223 77gr match hp blue vs. the atual mk 262 in either variant

From all the data I've seen so far the 77 OTM 5.56 is actually almost exactly the same ballistics wise to the .223 remanu 77 Match HP. the .223 is usually in the neighborhood of 20-25 fps slower which is only a few fps outside the margin.

The mk262on the other hand, absolutely Farking screams (all things considered). It is much hotter and well past the two other loads.

I dont really understand why this is exactly since Black Hills being the kick ass company they are essentially stepped up to the plate for us and said they were willing to transfer additional production of the 262 over onto their civilian lines in order to offer the round to us domestically and still maintain their military output. So you would figure that the red box OTM would just be the 262 in a shiny retail package which unless you have a chrono and serious skill behind a trigger that's what it is.. but it is strange to me that they two rounds arent identical.

Either way though, Black Hills is a kick ass company and this load is a beast of a round and is about as bad ass as you
can get .

ETA: I just realized the triad actually has the 77 OTM "white box" that S_P is referring to. Compare it to the the blue box of the same type thats like 15 dollars cheaper per box and then look at the difference bettween the blemish box and the mk262... a whopping .40 cents. so I think its fair to say that they are identical. They even refer to them as mk262 blemishs in the description and the stock photo is obvioulsy not correct, so I guess im wrong and the white box does exist, maybe all teh white boxes that we got before now were blemish boxes, althoughugh mine arent marked as such.

Originally Posted By REV1:


Different powder and loaded to 5.56 pressures in the OTM.