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Please rate your experience with Wolf WPA ammunition

I have not had any problems

I have had minor problems, but will keep using it

I have had major problem, and won't use it anymore




(325)  73.5%

(90)  20.4%

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Dreadedboost
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Posted: 9/15/2011 1:56:08 PM
400 rounds, 11.5/12.5 sbr's with H3 buffers. Cycles perfect with and without can suprisingly. Love it.
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Posted: 9/22/2011 11:13:05 PM
Finished my first 500 of WPA today. I had several failures to feed when using some really old magazines and a upper without feedramps. No failures to extract. After 500 rounds the bolt was very dirty under the extractor.

I'll likely buy more for plinking and close range drills.
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Posted: 10/5/2011 11:33:11 AM
1. Firearm used was a SIG 556 Classic Patrol (16" barrel with a 1/7" twist)
2. Just under 1 case, approximately 960 rounds
3. 55gr FMJ WPA

I've had no problems to date. The SIG was on the "normal" gas setting. Positive ejection at around the 3 o'clock position about 20 feet out a little pile was made.
Mags used were Lancer 20rd smokey-clear mags, PMAG 30rd, and some assorted 30rd and 20rd Aluminum mags made by C-Products, Colt, etc.

Ammo seemed to be a little underpowered as compared to say M-193 which has the same bullet weight. This was expected. Accuracy was consistently around 4moa or so, but this isn't benchrest ammo.

I can still make consistent hits at 350 yards on human sized targets which is good enough for this paper puncher.
I am ordering more 55gr WPA fmj right now. Its priced cheap and works well for making holes in paper.
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Posted: 10/5/2011 11:24:53 PM
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150 rounds into my pile of 1k. No issues so far.

1) 16" Spike's Tactical midlength. Running an H2 buffer. Had a few rounds that felt marginal as far as recoil goes with the H2, I may have to switch to a H or CAR buffer as the rifle gets dirtier.
2) 150 so far, plan to be through all 1k by November. Will try to remember to edit my post with an update.
3) WPA Military Classic 55gr FMJ


ETA: Another 540 rounds through my 14.5 Mid BCM with zero issues.

ETA: Shot it all up. Zero issues.
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Posted: 10/7/2011 8:05:23 AM
I've shot about 2,000 rounds of WPA through 3 different rifles in the last year. Rifles are all mutts with good components, one with a 14.5" Bushmaster M4 barrell, one with a 14.5" DD midlength, and one with a 16" DD midlength. I've had about 6 rounds that wouldn't fire. All had good primer strikes, but no ignition. For the price, I'll keep using WPA and deal with a few duds.
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Posted: 10/7/2011 5:41:56 PM
While I shoot mostly tula, I have shot a few hundred rounds of WPA mostly through a 16" DSA M4 upper on a spikes lower with J&T internals, no problems.
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Posted: 10/8/2011 9:19:28 PM
No problems, shot 500 rounds through my DPMS flattop upper (spikes lower) and so far 320 rounds in My BCM upper (same spikes lower) both are 16inch carbines. Its my goto plinking ammo
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Posted: 10/9/2011 12:08:39 AM
Had one FTF while shooting on full auto.For the most part though,it's very good plinking ammo.
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Posted: 2/15/2012 10:46:57 AM
Hi guys I am new to the forums and impressed with how much information can be derived from this site. Anyway I have seen alot of posts on this Russian ammo firing well and it being somewhat dirty however, unless I missed it, has anyone gotten a good baseline on how this ammo chronos? Is it consistent (speed wise) and do you guys feel it can be relied upon to fragment well <100 meters ? Is it cannelured? Thanks all.
Ironmaker
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Posted: 2/16/2012 9:09:08 PM
I have been a brass only guy for many years. I finally broke down and bought 1000 rds of WPA from AIM. I stopped by the range and did a quick function and accuracy check. All 20 rounds fed and fired without a single issue.

Shooting hand loads or quality ammo under the same conditions, I would expect 4"-6" group of 20 rounds at 200 yards. With this rifle, a different scope and Hornady 75 gr match ammo, I hit 4" plates at will at 300 yards during a match.

The overall group was 12" and if I don't count the 3 "fliers", it was 8".

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Widest 12" @ 200 yds:


Leave out the 3 "fliers" 8" @ 200 yds:

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Posted: 2/17/2012 3:49:34 PM
I've shot about 200 round of 62gr HP out of a 1/7 barrel. Good for plicking.
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Posted: 2/18/2012 5:42:41 PM
Fired 80 rounds thru a new Huldra 5.45x39mm carbine. Used ACS and Stoner mags. None one of them cycled properly. Most were stuck cases, rest were FTE's. Don't think I'll be using anymore Wolf WPA. I will try some Russian surplus next.
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Posted: 2/19/2012 4:40:17 PM
One time, I had a case FTE. Inexpensive upper from M&A, no chrome anywhere. Rifle had been run hard, and was really hot, case stuck in the chamber, and the extractor ripped a chunk out of the rim. Let it cool enough to bag it, took it home, and an hour later, the case poked out with minimal force from a rod.

My theory is that, as the chamber got very hot, metal expanded, and the chamber's ID was reduced. The steel case wouldn't give, like brass would, and so remained stuck until the steel of the chamber cooled, and receded.

I still support shooting it wholeheartedly, just might not be the best idea for a prolonged firefight.
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Posted: 2/19/2012 10:32:34 PM
[Last Edit: 2/19/2012 10:34:03 PM by moulton]
I've been using this stuff on my past few outings. The accuracy is ok, good for plinking. I like to joke that WPA is great if you want to have failure drills, because you are guaranteed to get at least one or two . It's the cheapest thing around that I can buy locally and its decent so I will continue to use it. I would mention that it seems like every box I buy has a random HP round in the mix.....odd

*Edited to add* The upper is an FN m-16a1 upper
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Posted: 2/20/2012 6:53:38 PM
7.5 inch SBR, 1/9 barrel. No problems, shoots well. 4000 rounds fired since building it in June of last year.

12.5 upper, waiting on stamp. 1/7 twist barrel, WOA with Wylde chamber. About 600 rounds fired, no problems.

I'm shooting the 55gr WPA.
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Posted: 2/20/2012 9:57:37 PM
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Just went thru another 350 rnds no issues. Then followed it up with 150 rnds of AE 223, still no issues. Spikes 14.5 middy. I'm loving this ammo. I feel bad for the guys that have issues. NOT. More fer me....

I'm over 700 rnds no fte, ftf, nothing, even while following with brass. All I do is wet the bolt down with CLP before range session and blast away. I don't scrub the chamber afterwards before the brass, nothing...rip off 20 rnds, then do a tactical reload, and blast another 30. Plus the accuracy has been better than I expected. Rifle gets friggin hot and still cycles like a banshee. so happy.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 9:45:59 PM
I thought the WPA was made by Ulyanovsk, not Barnaul...?
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Posted: 2/28/2012 9:28:45 PM
Half a dozen different rifles with most of them 16" middy's and carbine. One rifle has a Lilja barrel another a 24" SS ?
WPA is dirty ammo from my experience especially if you have a tight chamber or has been already stated...a heavy buffer. I can run several mags, probably around 200 rounds before things start to bind up.
Accuracy is great at 50 yards, have shot nickle sized groups regularly, but after that it really opens up.
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Posted: 3/8/2012 11:10:28 PM
I usually shoot WPA at an indoor 25-Yard range

Today I tried it at 100-Meters from a Bushmaster 14.5" Chrome Lined M4 with 2MOA aimpoint, fired from prone using the magazine as a monopod.

10-round 100-Meter group with Wolf WPA 55 Gn FMJ measured 5.13"
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Posted: 3/9/2012 8:26:11 AM

Originally Posted By StevenH:
I usually shoot WPA at an indoor 25-Yard range

Today I tried it at 100-Meters from a Bushmaster 14.5" Chrome Lined M4 with 2MOA aimpoint, fired from prone using the magazine as a monopod.

10-round 100-Meter group with Wolf WPA 55 Gn FMJ measured 5.13"

That is typical of the accuracy I have gotten out of it.

I shot 100 plus rounds in a local carbine clinic with it last weekend. I only had one issue. At the end of the clinic I had to use the forward assist to completely close the bolt on a charged round.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:20:39 PM
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Just tried Wolf WPA for the first time in my BCM 14.5" middy. 60 rounds, 4 failure to feeds, 1 round stuck in the chamber with the bolt out of battery. Bolt did not lock back on either mag. I'm running a carbine buffer, and have never had a malfunction before. What gives?
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:23:24 PM

Originally Posted By xcravx:
Just tried Wolf WPA for the first time in my BCM 14.5" middy. 60 rounds, 4 failure to feeds, 1 round stuck in the chamber with the bolt out of battery. Bolt did not lock back on either mag. What gives?


My guess is a 14.5" w/ a midlength gas system combo'd with weak ammo. WPA is underpowered, you need all the oomph you can get. How heavy is your buffer?
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:28:35 PM
Originally Posted By xcravx:
Just tried Wolf WPA for the first time in my BCM 14.5" middy. 60 rounds, 4 failure to feeds, 1 round stuck in the chamber with the bolt out of battery. Bolt did not lock back on either mag. I'm running a carbine buffer, and have never had a malfunction before. What gives?


There is a problem with your gun or mags.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:56:20 PM
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By xcravx:
Just tried Wolf WPA for the first time in my BCM 14.5" middy. 60 rounds, 4 failure to feeds, 1 round stuck in the chamber with the bolt out of battery. Bolt did not lock back on either mag. I'm running a carbine buffer, and have never had a malfunction before. What gives?


There is a problem with your gun or mags.


Where would you start looking for the problem? I'm running newer pmags, and have never had a previous malfunction.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:57:21 PM
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:

Originally Posted By xcravx:
Just tried Wolf WPA for the first time in my BCM 14.5" middy. 60 rounds, 4 failure to feeds, 1 round stuck in the chamber with the bolt out of battery. Bolt did not lock back on either mag. What gives?


My guess is a 14.5" w/ a midlength gas system combo'd with weak ammo. WPA is underpowered, you need all the oomph you can get. How heavy is your buffer?


I'm running a carbine buffer.
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