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Please rate your experience with Wolf WPA ammunition

I have not had any problems

I have had minor problems, but will keep using it

I have had major problem, and won't use it anymore




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Zhukov
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Posted: 8/21/2011 1:02:04 PM
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I'm starting a separate thread, as it's been pointed out that WPA made by Barnaul doesn't really fit the existing categories.

This ammunition review is for Barnaul manufactured WOLF WPA ammunition. It does NOT include Wolf Black Box or Wolf Military Classic ammunition.

Please add your personal experience to this thread. When you do, please give information about:
1) Firearm used in
2) Approximate number of rounds fired.
3) Ammunition type

I am trying to solicit only information about your PERSONAL experience with this ammunition. If you haven't used it, then please don't clutter up the thread. Information about proper functioning (or lack thereof) is obviously the most important, but factors such as the accuracy or other peculiarities you've noticed are informative also. If you have had problems with this ammo which were severe enough to cause you to stop using this ammo, then please describe them. And one more minor request: keep your reviews objective.

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Posted: 8/21/2011 2:09:26 PM
I have shot about 90 rounds of the 55 gr. FMJ with exactly zero problems so far.
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Posted: 8/21/2011 3:51:48 PM
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Since 01 Aug 2010 I have fired 1,985 consecutive rounds of steel-cased Russian ammo, with one (1) dead cartridge. The primer was squashed when seated, and it detonated then.

That cartridge went merrily along through the rest of the production line and came out the end fine.

A friend of mine also had one

Uncommon, but not unique.

That was the only malfunction so far.

I'm not sure what you call a dead cartridge. I really hate to call it a malfunction, though, since neither the rifle nor the magazine screwed up.
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Posted: 8/21/2011 7:28:22 PM
ive used the WPA 55gr Military Classic and have mixed reviews

my 16" spikes M4LE loves it and fired it like no tomorrow.
it extracted every time and never gave me issues

my 10.5" LMT had some slight issues locking the bolt back
it may be the 55gr or it could be my buffer is too heavy but ive decided to only use M193 and M855 for my 10.5"
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Posted: 8/21/2011 7:32:35 PM
I've currently shot 1000 rounds of the WPA 55gr FMJ total through 3 different 16" barreled rifles, one with a SS barrel/Wylde chamber. No problems at all. Accuracy seems to be around 3 MOA. Shot side by side with Brown and Silver Bear (even mixed in the same mag) it all feels the same and shoots the same, and shoots to the same point of impact (unsurprisingly). Good stuff; I will continue to use Brown/Silver/WPA interchangeably.
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Posted: 8/21/2011 9:21:08 PM
I have no problems with WPA black box or Mil-Classic in my PWS MK114
Dirty and less accurate than my reloads or IMI but that is expected

In my FNH FS2000 I had one FT-Fire and if I leave it on 5.56X45 gas setting or normal it will not operate the action 50% of the time. These Bull-pups have an adjustment for lower pressure 223 and once engaged it works fine.

I initially had some various problems with WPA in my Keltech SU16CA and have no tried to retest.

Les Baer M4 carbine functioned fine but in a DI gun this stuff is just too dirty to bother with, IMO

I just put a Dillon 550B online so the cost advantage of reloads and the fact they are more accurate and cleaner means little reason for Wolf. If I did not load I would use it for the PWS and FS2K for close combat training so certainly have to recommend to non loaders as it is still a good value


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Posted: 8/21/2011 11:07:13 PM
I had wpa fte on several times in my bcm upper, my dd upper runs it fine.
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Posted: 8/21/2011 11:25:40 PM
I've been through exactly 1000 rounds of the 62 grain WPA now, zero failures on my Daniel Defense Middy. It is without a doubt my favorite plinking ammo.
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Posted: 8/21/2011 11:43:34 PM
2.5 cases of it so far with zero problems.

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Posted: 8/22/2011 5:12:42 AM
I've not shot as much wolf since I switch to SB, but I have blazed through 8 cases (8K) through a LWRC 10" piston with no problem on a M16 lower (mostly mag dumps).

Its dirty, not as accurate as brass 223 ammo, but goes boom and hits the steel plates.

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Posted: 8/22/2011 5:23:48 AM
no issues.

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Posted: 8/22/2011 6:20:06 AM
Close to 3000 rounds 55 grain through my rifles, most going through my BCM Middy. Shoots pretty decent groups from my BCM SPR build too!
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Posted: 8/22/2011 10:55:44 AM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
ive used the WPA 55gr Military Classic and have mixed reviews

my 16" spikes M4LE loves it and fired it like no tomorrow.
it extracted every time and never gave me issues

my 10.5" LMT had some slight issues locking the bolt back
it may be the 55gr or it could be my buffer is too heavy but ive decided to only use M193 and M855 for my 10.5"


I've noticed the same thing running any Russian steel in my 16 inch LMT MRP Piston with extra heavy buffers or extra power buffer springs. LMT informed me that they optimize their rifles and carbines for M855 5.56. The gas port on both the DI and Piston weapons are drilled as such. If you are intereseted in shooting lower-powered ammo through the LMT, I would try a H1 or standard buffer. H2 works well for me with the bears and WPA, with the rare short stroke. I used a old standard buffer for the really low-powered Tula or Uly ammo I got a deal on a while back. I no longer shoot Tula or Uly due to extremely poor quality of the ammo (and WPA or the Bears aren't that much more expensive.)
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Posted: 8/22/2011 11:02:13 AM
They seem to zing out the barrel just fine, and for when I am just doing simple close quarters drills or letting the daughter put rounds into the targets, they work just fine for me.
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Posted: 8/22/2011 3:13:06 PM
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Early days yet with it, only shot ~150 rounds of 55gr .223 through a Spikes Hammer Forged Middy. No failures so far, was getting about a 50% hit ratio on an 8" plate at 300 yards. I'm very happy with that.

Have another 850 left bought specifically for use in this rifle. Should give me a good reading on the WPA ammo.
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Posted: 8/23/2011 8:56:16 AM
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Del-Ton M4 w/ JP springs
200+ rounds fired
55gr FMJ
Multiple, like 1-per-mag FTF's. Will not buy again.

For what it's worth, this rifle has eaten Tula with zero problems in the past.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 12:21:30 AM
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WPA 55gr .223
Rock River Middy - Eats it like candy
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Posted: 8/24/2011 5:35:06 PM
Rifle is a Spike's LE carbine length upper, Doublestar lower, Rock River LPK.
Fired about 2000 rounds of WPA.

I've had a couple of backwards primers, and a few stuck cases when the rifle got too dirty. Otherwise, it's been good blasting ammo for training.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 9:53:48 PM
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Seems a little gutless, as some others have reported.

ETA:

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Posted: 8/26/2011 2:31:39 AM
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<This thread is for reviews only - Z>

500 rounds of WPA "Military Classic", ten different rifles, mixed reviews: 55gr WPA "Military Classic" polymer-coated rounds, lot number K60-11.

300 rounds of '08 vintage Brown Bear 62gr FMJ, fired after each primary test for each rifle, as a control.

Rifle 1: 10.5" DPMS "heavy machine gun barrel" upper with "5.56 chamber" and a triple-x warrior suppressor. Chrome lined.
Rifle 2: 7.5" DPMS "kitty kat" heavy barrel with "5.56 chamber" and chrome lining.
Rifle 3: 20" Sako "SAK MP B" 20" M16A1 contract spares barrel with chrome lining and 1:12 twist
Rifle 4: 20" Colt "C MP CHROME BORE" M16 A1 contract spares barrel with chrome lining and 1:12 twist
Rifle 5: BCM factory 14.5" upper 1:7
Rifle 6: 20" Colt AR-15 A2 Sporter II upper 1:7 with chrome bore and chamber and "5.56 chamber"
Rifle 7: 14.5" Colt "C MP CB 5.56" barrel - presumed 1:7 with chrome bore and chamber and "5.56 chamber"
Rifle 8: 20" Bushmaster "gov't profile" chrome bore and chamber 1:9 with "5.56" chamber
Rifle 9: FN FNC factory (presumed 1:7, chrome bore, chrome chamber)
Rifle 10: Daewoo DR-200 factory (presumed 1:12, chrome lined, chrome bore, chrome chamber)

Rifle 2: 20rd mag, flawless performance in semi and auto mixed
Rifle 1: 30rd mag, flawless performance in semi and auto mixed
Rifle 5: 30rd mag, flawless performance in semi and auto mixed
Rifle 7: 30rd mag, flawless performance in semi and auto mixed, noticeably higher report and recoil than normal
Rifle 9: 30rd mag, flawless performance in semi, 3rb, auto mixed
Rifle 3: 30rd mag, flawless performance in semi and auto mixed
Rifle 6: 30rd mag, flawless performance in semi
Rifle 10: 30rd mag, 2 short strokes (failed to extract, eject and chamber a new round) in semi. Adjusted gas and no problems after that
Rifle 8: 30rd mag, 4 short strokes, fed the rest of the mag to Rifle 4, 1 short stroke, fed rest to Rifle 2, 26rds, no problems
Rifle 8: 10rd mag, 1 failure to feed. 9 flawless semi and burst after lubing chamber with wd40 spray
Rifle 8: 10rd mag, 5 failure to feed, no lock-back on mag empty, in 3rb mode
Rifle 8: 10rd mag, 3rb mode, no problems
Rifle 4: 30rd mag, lubed chamber with wd40, 2 ftf, otherwise OK in semi
Rifle 1: 30rd mag, 2 ftf, 7 stuck empties on auto
Rifle 5: 30rd mag, 1 ftf on auto, otherwise OK
Rifle 7: 30rd mag, 1 stoppage (hammer down on live round) on auto
Rifle 9: 30rd mag, 2 ftf, 2 FTX stuck empties out of mag
Rifle 3: 30rd mag, 4 straight ftf, abandonded and fed 26 through rifle 1, flawless on mixed semi and auto
Rifle 2: 30rd mag, flawless in semi and auto
Rifle 7: 30rd mag, flawless in semi and auto

Observations: Performance was fine until the mags and/or ammo heated up in the noonday sun. After that, reliability went to crap without lube.

Ammo hotness/rate of fire was faster on one rifle than brass or brown bear, the 14.5" colt (rifle 7) and otherwise slower, or noticeably less recoil. Personally perceived inconsistency between loads.

After each test cycle, the test rifle was fired with a full 30rd magazine of 62gr FMJ Brown Bear, with no other mods or cleaning done, and fired the entire magazine flawlessly in a mix of semi, auto (where applicable) and 3rb (where applicable).

My conclusion: better than black box wolf, not ready for prime time. Might consider it now, on a really good deal, for certain rifles and mg blaster shoots. Brown Bear still rules, IMNSHO
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Posted: 9/2/2011 7:21:23 PM
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I tried the Wolf WPA 55 Gn in a 14.5" 1:9 with Carbine gas system and Carbine buffer. This carbine does NOT have M4 feed ramps. This rifle fails to feed with Tula 55 Gn JHP.

With Wolf WPA 55 Gn FMJ There were no stoppages of any kind and the failures to feed, using the same magazines, disappeared. So far I'm happy with WPA 55 Gn FMJ

Update:
Today i installed an H Buffer to see if it would short stroke with a heavier buffer. Fired 112 rounds with no stoppages. Next I'll try an H2 buffer.
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Posted: 9/2/2011 9:10:55 PM
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Another 350 rds of 55gr down range through the 16" Spikes Elite upper. Had 0 problems in 500 rounds so far.

Accuracy is good, was getting easy hits on 12"x12" steel at 200 yards.

Just ordered another 1000 rounds today.

Once I finish off these 2 cases I'll make a final decision and vote in the poll, but so far the WPA seems to be a much better product.
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Posted: 9/12/2011 9:18:41 PM
I own four AR's. Three (BCM CL 1/7, RRA SS 1/8 w/ Wylde chamber and Del-ton CMV 1/9) of the four run WPA just fine. The last AR is a my first build and was a mid length w a nordic/wilson 1/8 w/ wylde chamber. It runs 100% on AE, PMC, IMI M193 and brown bear 55gr FMJBT, but it short strokes on WPA.
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Posted: 9/12/2011 9:28:54 PM
Originally Posted By cptx123:
I had wpa fte on several times in my bcm upper, my dd upper runs it fine.


funny, my experience is exactly the opposite. Danny Defense M4V1 would begin to choke after about 150 rds in a training environment but switched to my BCM middy and it ran the rest of the day...
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Posted: 9/12/2011 9:29:05 PM
Originally Posted By wnycollector:
I own four AR's. Three (BCM CL 1/7, RRA SS 1/8 w/ Wylde chamber and Del-ton CMV 1/9) of the four run WPA just fine. The last AR is a my first build and was a mid length w a nordic/wilson 1/8 w/ wylde chamber. It runs 100% on AE, PMC, IMI M193 and brown bear 55gr FMJBT, but it short strokes on WPA.


I know this is the review thread where comments should be kept to a minimum.....but I think this is relevant to all Russian steel cased ammo and especially so to this comment above here. On my Nordic/Lilja barrel with essentially the same specs as yours, when the BCG got a bit dry/dirty, that would also short stroke on occasion with WPA. I run a fixed A1 length stock on that rifle. I switched out the 5.2oz rifle buffer for a JP LMOS 3oz buffer - and never have an issue with it. If I use a different lower with a collapsible stock, I seem to be able to run a carbine buffer without issue; again a H would also cause the occasional short stroke.
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Posted: 9/13/2011 8:52:02 AM
500 rounds, no problems at all.
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